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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,11:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
hi JWChrist was not tested for the evil in the world,
but for is faithfulness to his father.his God
just as Adam fail to stay faithful to his God by is disobedience.
so your question is absurd.
PierreQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 27 2010,04:46) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,19:08) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,10:56) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:47) Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, I now completly believe you,I and others need to be saved from the thing's spoken of on this forum which are false, cunning deceptions which confuse peoples minds,
What is the truth ?
Hi Shimmer:Quote IT IS WRITTEN Quote 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Is there Salvation in a “false god” that people call “Jesus”?Is God by any other name smell as sweet?
What's in a name?
The Professor
Hi Professor:I am not sure just what point you want to make. Jesus never claimed to be God, and God revealed to humanity through the Apostle Peter that “he is the Christ, the Son of the Living God”, and that is what I believe. The name means “YHWH is salvation, and it is written:
Quote 10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2010,15:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,11:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
hi JWChrist was not tested for the evil in the world,
but for is faithfulness to his father.his God
just as Adam fail to stay faithful to his God by is disobedience.
so your question is absurd.
Pierre
TIts not absurd because kerwin believes Jesus was tempted in every way man was.
He believes Jesus had to be like us in every way to be our savour!
Thats absurd.
WJ
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,13:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
Thank you!WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,15:26) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2010,15:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,11:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
hi JWChrist was not tested for the evil in the world,
but for is faithfulness to his father.his God
just as Adam fail to stay faithful to his God by is disobedience.
so your question is absurd.
Pierre
TIts not absurd because kerwin believes Jesus was tempted in every way man was.
He believes Jesus had to be like us in every way to be our savour!
Thats absurd.
WJ
hi JWyes it is,because the temptation is only related to be faithful to God.
Pierre
Shimmer,
You are showing Spiritual strength and righteousness. I knew you would…And, (Page 11), Yes, Just Ask. I have said to you many times… … ….
Trust in YHVH, pray for His Spiritual support through the Holy Spirit – given by measure from his Son Jesus Christ.
But beware of Satan seeing you and testing you with the easy or tempting idea. Test the spirit – Ask it who it is – it cannot lie but it can deceive!
God cannot be tempted and temps No one, says the Scriptures. Yet Jesus was tempted – and WJ says Jesus was God (Hey, Why “WAS” God?) – Now, does make sense?
With what can anyone TEMPT God with – God OWNS Everything – One is tempted by being offered something they don't already have or retaining something that they already have.
What does God have that He wants to retain or Doesn't have that he wants to gain? Our Love of Him, Our Praise of Him, Our Worship of Him – Not so – because He requires for it to be given FREELY therefore, to temp Him to Bribe us into doing those things would not make it by our own FREEDOM, our own FREE WILL.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,08:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,13:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
Thank you!WJ
Hi WJ:He was a man and in the world where he was subjected to all of these temptations, but no, he was not tempted to do any of these things.
As a matter of fact, neither have I been tempted to do some of these that you mention, and so, how could he have been?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,08:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,13:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same category as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “bestiality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
Thank you!WJ
Hi WJ:He was a man and in the world where he was subjected to all of these temptations, but no, he was not tempted to do any of these things.
As a matter of fact, neither have I been tempted to do some of these that you mention, and so, how could he have been?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank You MartySo in other words Jesus was not tempted to do evil for there was no evil in him.
His temptations had to do with succumbing to human weakness like hunger, anger, pain, feelings and emotions etc which are not sin in themselves. Jesus died to his own will to do his Fathers like calling legions of Angels to deliver him from his death.
There was no lust or sin in him. He was the 2nd Adam without sin and therefore was not like fallen sinful man in every way.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for “GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH EVIL“, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, “when he is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed. James 1:13, 14
Notice it says “God cannot be tempted with evil, and neither could the perfect sinless Lamb of God who had no sin or lust in him. The evil Tempter came and found nothing in him!
WJ
Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,21:16) All, Thanks.
I believe God's spirit is the truth which can be found, no matter where we are, the comforter,
It knows us, it causes us to feel, to have compassion and to love. It leads us to truth, which is not truth full of knowledge but truth full of spirit. (Nous is the word)
The Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
The natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Hi Shimmer:It is written:
Quote John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father,he shall testify of me: Quote John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jesus prayed:
Quote John 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and will testify to the truth of about God's testimony regarding Jesus in every born again believer.
Quote 1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
And it is the function of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths, and if Jesus has said sanctify them through the truth, thy Word is truth, then it is the function of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths in God's Word.
It is “NOT ABOUT A FEELING”. Feelings come and go, but the Word of God is steadfast and true. Try the spirits to see if they are of God. If it doesn't line up with His Word, God did not say it.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,16:11) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,08:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,13:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same category as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “bestiality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
Thank you!WJ
Hi WJ:He was a man and in the world where he was subjected to all of these temptations, but no, he was not tempted to do any of these things.
As a matter of fact, neither have I been tempted to do some of these that you mention, and so, how could he have been?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank You MartySo in other words Jesus was not tempted to do evil for there was no evil in him.
His temptations had to do with succumbing to human weakness like hunger, anger, pain, feelings and emotions etc which are not sin in themselves. Jesus died to his own will to do his Fathers like calling legions of Angels to deliver him from his death.
There was no lust or sin in him. He was the 2nd Adam without sin and therefore was not like fallen sinful man in every way.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for “GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH EVIL“, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, “when he is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed. James 1:13, 14
Notice it says “God cannot be tempted with evil, and neither could the perfect sinless Lamb of God who had no sin or lust in him. The evil Tempter came and found nothing in him!
WJ
JWyou say;His temptations had to do with succumbing to human weakness like hunger, anger, pain, feelings and emotions etc which are not sin in themselves. Jesus died to his own will to do his Fathers like calling legions of Angels to deliver him from his death.
this is not right ,it was obedience to God that was tested;Satan uses the means you quoted to try to make Christ stumble,and this would be a sin.the first commandment
JUST LIKE JOB ,SATAN USES THE WHEALTH OF JOB AND WEN THAT DID NOT WORKED HE USES IS HEALTH.
Pierre
Worshipping Jesus,
I am not sure why you consider that statement a circular argument as its conclusion is not its premise. I do assume that it is true that a human being can and will stop sinning and thus urged you to believe it for your own good. I also used scripture, in my plea, that does a similar thing though the scripture is addressing those that the author assumes already believes.
I placed Jesus in the category of being a human being which is not the same as being a sinner though all human beings but him have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God did not create human beings to be sinners but humans went in search of many schemes, Ephesians 7:29. Jesus chose not to go in search of any schemes. That is why Jesus was made King of everything in heaven and on earth once made perfect, Hebrews 7:26-28. So Jesus is set apart from sinners though he is a human being.
I do not think you understand what I meant by Jesus was tempted by sin to the same degree as we are but without sin. I meant that his temptations were as intense as our own temptations even though they may not have been the exact same. So the answer to your question is that I simply do not know what particular temptations Jesus faced in his life beyond those that are mentioned while he fasted 40 days in the desert after being immersed in the Jordon River by John the Baptist. I know those were not the only ones because Scripture states Satan tempted him at other times. As I told you in my earlier post my opinion is that we are each tempted in according to our weaknesses.
Do you have another way to interpret Hebrews 4:15 to render it true? Here is for you to contemplate.
Hebrews 4:15(NIV) reads:
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.[/quote]
If so please share your interpretation with us.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2010,21:10) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,16:11) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,16:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,08:27) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,13:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same category as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “bestiality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
Thank you!WJ
Hi WJ:He was a man and in the world where he was subjected to all of these temptations, but no, he was not tempted to do any of these things.
As a matter of fact, neither have I been tempted to do some of these that you mention, and so, how could he have been?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thank You MartySo in other words Jesus was not tempted to do evil for there was no evil in him.
His temptations had to do with succumbing to human weakness like hunger, anger, pain, feelings and emotions etc which are not sin in themselves. Jesus died to his own will to do his Fathers like calling legions of Angels to deliver him from his death.
There was no lust or sin in him. He was the 2nd Adam without sin and therefore was not like fallen sinful man in every way.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for “GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH EVIL“, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, “when he is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed. James 1:13, 14
Notice it says “God cannot be tempted with evil, and neither could the perfect sinless Lamb of God who had no sin or lust in him. The evil Tempter came and found nothing in him!
WJ
JWyou say;His temptations had to do with succumbing to human weakness like hunger, anger, pain, feelings and emotions etc which are not sin in themselves. Jesus died to his own will to do his Fathers like calling legions of Angels to deliver him from his death.
this is not right ,it was obedience to God that was tested;Satan uses the means you quoted to try to make Christ stumble,and this would be a sin.the first commandment
JUST LIKE JOB ,SATAN USES THE WHEALTH OF JOB AND WEN THAT DID NOT WORKED HE USES IS HEALTH.
Pierre
tIf you can't make any sense in your post to me then don't bother.
There is nothing in my statement that you even addressed!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 27 2010,09:42) Shimmer,
You are showing Spiritual strength and righteousness. I knew you would…And, (Page 11), Yes, Just Ask. I have said to you many times… … ….
Trust in YHVH, pray for His Spiritual support through the Holy Spirit – given by measure from his Son Jesus Christ.
But beware of Satan seeing you and testing you with the easy or tempting idea. Test the spirit – Ask it who it is – it cannot lie but it can deceive!
God cannot be tempted and temps No one, says the Scriptures. Yet Jesus was tempted – and WJ says Jesus was God (Hey, Why “WAS” God?) – Now, does make sense?
With what can anyone TEMPT God with – God OWNS Everything – One is tempted by being offered something they don't already have or retaining something that they already have.
What does God have that He wants to retain or Doesn't have that he wants to gain? Our Love of Him, Our Praise of Him, Our Worship of Him – Not so – because He requires for it to be given FREELY therefore, to temp Him to Bribe us into doing those things would not make it by our own FREEDOM, our own FREE WILL.
Thank you JustAskin, OK, I will ask if I need to. (know anything),Quote (942767 @ Aug. 27 2010,10:18) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,21:16) All, Thanks.
I believe God's spirit is the truth which can be found, no matter where we are, the comforter,
It knows us, it causes us to feel, to have compassion and to love. It leads us to truth, which is not truth full of knowledge but truth full of spirit. (Nous is the word)
The Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
The natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Hi Shimmer:It is written:
Quote John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father,he shall testify of me: Quote John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jesus prayed:
Quote John 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth and will testify to the truth of about God's testimony regarding Jesus in every born again believer.
Quote 1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
And it is the function of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths, and if Jesus has said sanctify them through the truth, thy Word is truth, then it is the function of the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truths in God's Word.
It is “NOT ABOUT A FEELING”. Feelings come and go, but the Word of God is steadfast and true. Try the spirits to see if they are of God. If it doesn't line up with His Word, God did not say it.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote It is “NOT ABOUT A FEELING”. Feelings come and go, but the Word of God is steadfast and true. But Marty, wouldnt it be true that to feel nothing is to be spiritually dead ? God told us to love. God and Neighbour. Love is a feeling. Compassion is a feeling. God loved the world. So much so that he gave his only son.
Whenever I am close to God I feel it. When I feel nothing then something is wrong.
To feel compassion for another person, to see a person on the street who is lost and alone, to want to reach out to them, as one example of many, see what I mean ? It's what Jesus told us to do, and what Jesus himself did.
Quote Try the spirits to see if they are of God. If it doesn't line up with His Word, God did not say it. I agree with that.
Shimmer……….I agree with you that Love is most certainly a feeling. I once heard a an Hour sermon on how Love is and intelligent choice and emotion had nothing to do with love he said, Pure hog wash. “For God Pities us as a father pities his childern.” and again ” for you are sorrowed unto rightness”, and again “For godly sorrow works repentance not to be repented of”, and again “JESUS WEPT”
In fact i believe true Love is PURE EMOTION This emotion causes us to forgive and have compassion on others , it reconciles both man and GOD , GOD (IS) LOVE> We are so blessed to have a Heavenly Father with such great Emotions of LOVE. “For the love of GOD is Shed around in our hearts”. IMOpeace and love to you and your…………………………..gene
Hi Shimmer:
You say:
Quote Whenever I am close to God I feel it. When I feel nothing then something is wrong. This is what I mean by feelings that come and go. Yes, when we love someone there are emotions which go along with it, and so, I am not speaking against these feelings, but here you indicate that something is wrong if you do not feel close to God, but no, I disagree. There have been times when during my 30 year walk with God that I did not feel close to God, but His Word said: “I will never leave you nor forsake you”. Faith is trusting God's Word in spite of the circumstances that we are facing.
Sometimes love is also what we call “tough love”. If I love someone, I cannot compromise the Word of God for my sake as well as theirs.
This is what Paul describes as love: NLT
Quote 1 Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. Love in Christ,
MartyIf you believe in a false god, named “Jesus” does it matter?
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The Professor
Hi Marty, I agree with you, what I meant was that, when I do wrong I feel distant to God, sin seperates us from God. As do other thing's like distractions of the mind. But those are good verses you use there.
Hi David, this was what I was about to post, so I will address it to you, it may help ?
I had these thoughts last night.
“God no one hath ever seen”
If God The Father is Spirit, If Jesus has a body, If Jesus is seated at “God's right hand”, What is left for us to see ?
It would only be Jesus,
“Who is the image of the invisible God”
“Jesus saith to him, 'So long time am I with you, and thou hast not known me, Philip? he who hath seen me hath seen the Father;”
quote an Orthodox…“In the west they believe in a “beatific vision” that in Heaven we will see God as he truly is. Orthodox call that heresy. God can reach out to us and we can meet him when he reaches out, but it is radically, utterly, and absolutely impossible for us to ever know God as he truly is”…unquote
I believe Jesus only had his beginnings when conceived of the Holy Spirit on earth.
Before then was the word, which was part of God and WAS GOD. “God's word was made flesh”.
“And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth”.(YLT)
It says that only one – YHVH created the heavens and the earth,
Isaiah 44:24, Nehemiah 9:6, Isaiah 44:6-8
“Thus said Jehovah, thy redeemer, And thy framer from the womb: 'I am Jehovah, doing all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, Spreading out the earth — who is with Me?”
“Thou art He, O Jehovah, Thyself — Thou hast made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, and all their host, the earth and all that are on it, the seas and all that are in them, and Thou art keeping all of them alive”
“Thus said Jehovah, king of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of Hosts: 'I am the first, and I the last, And besides Me there is no God. …”
“….Fear not, nor be afraid, Have I not from that time caused thee to hear, and declared? And ye are My witnesses, Is there a God besides Me? yea, there is none, A Rock I have not known.”
So Jesus now “sits” as the “doorway” to YHVH“No-one come's to the Father but through me”
Yahwey is spirit, Yahshua is body,
“because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (YLT)
We were made in Gods image, We have spirit and body
The saying in Eastern Orthodox christianity is (on Theosis) – God became man so we could become (one with) God
….keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to me, that they may be one as we;….”
….that they all may be one, as Thou Father art in me, and I in Thee; that they also in us may be one….”,
….'And I, the glory that thou hast given to me, have given to them, that they may be one as we are one; I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be perfected into one” – John 17
These are just my thought's right now.
Hi Shimmer,
What if your supposition that “YHWH is spirit” is wrong?
Gen 3:8 Gen 3:8 They heard the sound of the LORD God (YHWH Elohim) “WALKING” in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife HID themselves from the PRESENCE of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
What if Spirit Elohim is spirit and no one has seen “it”, this would be correct, no?
However in John 4:24 no one can know which essence of God is being talked about because it only says “Theos” …..bummer.
The Professor
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