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Hi Irene, I think JA was agreeing with you, and saying the Trinity teaching is false, and that he wont give up debating against it, or against other false teachings, and that in doing so we learn from scripture ourselves.
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 13 2010,10:40) Hi Irene, I think JA was agreeing with you, and saying the Trinity teaching is false, and that he wont give up debating against it, or against other false teachings, and that in doing so we learn from scripture ourselves.
Hi Shimmer,Everything that JustAskin doesn't believe is not automatically a false doctrine!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, but you would be saying that because JustAskin disagrees with some of what you teach, and you know that I disagree as well. If you are a teacher you should make sure that what you are teaching is true, because teachers are judged harder.
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 13 2010,11:07) Ed, but you would be saying that because JustAskin disagrees with some of what you teach, and you know that I disagree as well. If you are a teacher you should make sure that what you are teaching is true, because teachers are judged harder.
Hi Shimmer,Yes; that's why I take what I say VERY seriously!
Rom.14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.You do know what verses like Matt.18:16 REALLY mean, don't you?
Matt.18:16 …in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word [[[may]]] be established.It doesn't mean: if you don't believe me, I'll go get bob and Joe
and they'll all tell you the same thing so you better believe us!What it does mean is: When two or three are are professing what “The Word” is really saying,
“The Word” [[[MAY]]] then be received (as TRUTH) in the ears of those hearing! (Rom.10:17)This “BIBLE TRUTH”=117 is further indemnified specifically by 1Cor.14:24…
1Cor.14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not,
or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Eccl. 9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,13:45) Hi Shimmer, Yes; that's why I take what I say VERY seriously!
Rom.14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.You do know what verses like Matt.18:16 REALLY mean, don't you?
Matt.18:16 …in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word [[[may]]] be established.It doesn't mean: if you don't believe me, I'll go get bob and Joe
and they'll all tell you the same thing so you better believe us!What it does mean is: When two or three are are professing what “The Word” is really saying,
“The Word” [[[MAY]]] then be received (as TRUTH) in the ears of those hearing! (Rom.10:17)Ed, as you say [[[may]]] then be recieved as truth in the ears of those hearing, ok, so we should believe all of the hundreds, thousands, of different “truths” of Christianity, (which are all different) because another few people agree with each different “truth”.
Ed, the Holy Spirit leads a person into truth, start reading others opinions and you lose all that you were led to, I learnt that. Iv been through scripture, through books, through the church fathers, through the internet, to churches, to meetings,
True religion is within yourself I believe.
Unless you are shown to trust in another, two or three gathered is stronger than one, but again the Holy Spirit will show this as ok,
But Ed, you have put yourself in the position of a teacher, how do you know all that you are saying is correct ?
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 13 2010,18:33) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,13:45) Hi Shimmer, Yes; that's why I take what I say VERY seriously!
Rom.14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.You do know what verses like Matt.18:16 REALLY mean, don't you?
Matt.18:16 …in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word [[[may]]] be established.It doesn't mean: if you don't believe me, I'll go get bob and Joe
and they'll all tell you the same thing so you better believe us!What it does mean is: When two or three are are professing what “The Word” is really saying,
“The Word” [[[MAY]]] then be received (as TRUTH) in the ears of those hearing! (Rom.10:17)1) Ed, as you say [[[may]]] then be recieved as truth in the ears of those hearing, ok, so we should believe all of the hundreds, thousands, of different “truths” of Christianity, (which are all different) because another few people agree with each different “truth”.
2) Ed, the Holy Spirit leads a person into truth, (A)start reading others opinions and you lose all that you were led to, I learnt that. (B)Iv been through scripture, through books, through the church fathers, through the internet, to churches, to meetings,
True religion is within yourself I believe.
3) Unless you are shown to trust in another, two or three gathered is stronger than one, but again the Holy Spirit will show this as ok,
4) But Ed, you have put yourself in the position of a teacher, how do you know all that you are saying is correct ?
Hi Shimmer,1) I just got through saying people agreeing DON'T make something true!
2) Yes
A) NOT TRUE!
B) Most people believe one should stick to Canon to avoid confusion.3) What?
4) Because Scripture taken as a whole supports my view.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Oct. 14 2010,01:33) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,13:45) Hi Shimmer, Yes; that's why I take what I say VERY seriously!
Rom.14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.You do know what verses like Matt.18:16 REALLY mean, don't you?
Matt.18:16 …in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word [[[may]]] be established.It doesn't mean: if you don't believe me, I'll go get bob and Joe
and they'll all tell you the same thing so you better believe us!What it does mean is: When two or three are are professing what “The Word” is really saying,
“The Word” [[[MAY]]] then be received (as TRUTH) in the ears of those hearing! (Rom.10:17)Ed, as you say [[[may]]] then be recieved as truth in the ears of those hearing, ok, so we should believe all of the hundreds, thousands, of different “truths” of Christianity, (which are all different) because another few people agree with each different “truth”.
Ed, the Holy Spirit leads a person into truth, start reading others opinions and you lose all that you were led to, I learnt that. Iv been through scripture, through books, through the church fathers, through the internet, to churches, to meetings,
True religion is within yourself I believe.
Unless you are shown to trust in another, two or three gathered is stronger than one, but again the Holy Spirit will show this as ok,
But Ed, you have put yourself in the position of a teacher, how do you know all that you are saying is correct ?
shimmeri but in sorry,
but you are right ,in your views,we as Christians followers of Christ it is the scriptures who is our guide and more so the spirit of Christ,
it is our ability to seek Christ and is father that brings us closer to them.search the truth of God not of men.
you doing fine Shimmer
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,19:47) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 13 2010,18:33) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2010,13:45) Hi Shimmer, Yes; that's why I take what I say VERY seriously!
Rom.14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.You do know what verses like Matt.18:16 REALLY mean, don't you?
Matt.18:16 …in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word [[[may]]] be established.It doesn't mean: if you don't believe me, I'll go get bob and Joe
and they'll all tell you the same thing so you better believe us!What it does mean is: When two or three are are professing what “The Word” is really saying,
“The Word” [[[MAY]]] then be received (as TRUTH) in the ears of those hearing! (Rom.10:17)1) Ed, as you say [[[may]]] then be recieved as truth in the ears of those hearing, ok, so we should believe all of the hundreds, thousands, of different “truths” of Christianity, (which are all different) because another few people agree with each different “truth”.
2) Ed, the Holy Spirit leads a person into truth, (A)start reading others opinions and you lose all that you were led to, I learnt that. (B)Iv been through scripture, through books, through the church fathers, through the internet, to churches, to meetings,
True religion is within yourself I believe.
3) Unless you are shown to trust in another, two or three gathered is stronger than one, but again the Holy Spirit will show this as ok,
4) But Ed, you have put yourself in the position of a teacher, how do you know all that you are saying is correct ?
Hi Shimmer,1) I just got through saying people agreeing DON'T make something true!
2) Yes
A) NOT TRUE!
B) Most people believe one should stick to Canon to avoid confusion.3) What?
4) Because Scripture taken as a whole supports my view.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed,1) Ok I get you now,
2)
A) Its true, turn on the internet… google a topic… and which of the hundreds, thousands of different ideas do you believe or even bother to read ? Too much information is no good for the mind or for the spiritual walk in life, Enoch walked with God, for example, simple as that. I believe faith is simpler than people imagine. Its all about 'listening' and praying and believing and also feeling things. God gave us a heart and a mind,B) I agree. Thats what I meant.
3) If someone learns alone with God, stays away from churches, and someone comes along and they agree on alot, they can help each other, is what I meant. Where two or three are gathered in his name,
4) Fair enough…. But alot of people could say that ?
Now can we stop this numbering thing ?
Hi Shimmer,
Ed J: I just got through saying people agreeing DON'T make something true!
Quote Ok I get you now Great!
Ed J: NOT TRUE!
Quote Too much information is no good for the mind or for the spiritual walk in life… Not for me.
Ed J: Most people believe one should stick to Canon to avoid confusion.
Quote I agree. Thats what I meant. Great!
Ed J: What?
Quote If someone learns alone with God, stays away from churches, and someone comes along and they agree on alot, they can help each other, is what I meant. Where two or three are gathered in his name, You learn from those who see things differently.
Ed J: Because Scripture taken as a whole supports my view.
Quote Fair enough…. But alot of people could say that ? Until a Scripture is presented that doesn't fit their big picture!
Quote Now can we stop this numbering thing ? Is this better? This way takes too much time! I prefer numbering the points.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI believe faith is simple, I believe God gave us a heart and mind to think and feel, and question. I dont believe all of the answers lie in scripture alone but also in prayer and in life itself. Are you saved because you 'got it right' 'discovered God was or wasnt a Trinity' Jesus comes and seperates the good from the bad, judged on what they DID or didnt do.. to others. God knows our hearts and understands our failings. Unless we become like children, children who rely on their Father..
Shimmer……….Right on Sis. Faith is a gift, repentance is a gift, Love of GOD is a gift, life is a gift. None of which we earned on our own. GOD so loved us he gave us these things into our hearts and minds by His Holy Spirit. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Yes I now believe it does indeed matter.
Division caused by people here for example. Jesus worshippers, Trinitarians, all seeking to cause division between those who believe the same as each other.
Jesus made the clear facts of the faith. Jesus is not God. God YAH is the strength in which I believe, however, you have here people who seek followers after them. They use there fancy words and good upbringing of language, and education etc to draw people away, or to draw them into debate, and the bait is always taken.
They also hurt those who get in the way.
Bod was right with that. If you ban him, you may as well also ban Trinitarians and Jesus worshippers.
Theres enough division in the world and especially in Christianity.
Does it really matter ? Yeah it does, I agree now.
Some posters here are nothing but trolls and flamers, who should be banned. And they know who will get in their way, yeah and im one of the ones who gets in their way.
But after nearly losing it all, I have regained my faith, as of today thanks to God. God is my faith. And Jesus leads me to my God,
Hi Shimmer,
It's not so much a matter of what doctrines we believe,
because that changes over time and is not as important
as when we still show LOVE even when we disagree; this
shows the world who the true disciples of Christ really are! (1Cor.13:1-13)John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men
know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, I completly agree.
I felt God today as I walked, all was made clear to me.
But you are right. Without love, true love …yes they can fake it to get support, thats easy to do.
Disagreement can happen example I may disagree with say Gene over pre-existance maybe ? But theres no nastiness is there. I may disagree with you Ed but I'm still your friend.
Its when its the bigger things. Is Jesus God ? Etc. That causes confusion…Who is God and who is Jesus, that causes confusion. IMO.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 23 2010,13:23) Hi Shimmer, It's not so much a matter of what doctrines we believe,
because that changes over time and is not as important
as when we still show LOVE even when we disagree; this
shows the world who the true disciples of Christ really are! (1Cor.13:1-13)John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men
know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi ED:It is good that we can discuss our differences and love one another, but when we can't agree, we need to go to God in prayer asking Him to bring us into unity by revealing the truth to us. We need to be ready to accept correction from God to make this happen.
“A house divided against itself will not stand”. Jesus prayed that we would be “One” as he and the Father were “One”.
He said sanctify them through the truth, Your Word is Truth, one cannot be sanctified through a lie.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty true.
I wrote this today after praying, writen actually to people who cause problems and divisions, and I felt God with me as I wrote. I never planned to post it but will. it may help someone.
__do you know that whatever you say, though spoken of with the power of words, intellegence, class, grammer, so well put and so much meaning, but did you know that the power of what we speak comes either from above or from below, whatever is from above has great wonderfull power, holding up a person, building up faith, filling them with love, strength, power, enough to see them through the darkest days of life, healing from on high, such is the love of God
However what is from below is hurtfull, self seeking, puffing up, drawing only those who seek their own fullfillment, it destroys , pulls down, hurts, it is only a temporary fix, a plaster on a wound with no time to heal, it makes one focus on here and now but never strengthens.
Testing of the spirits is wise to the hearers and God knows who his own are
God speaks to his own, God delivers them from evil in the time of trail, at the last moment, Hear all…. hmmmm that is spirit working through one.
Lifting up what is spoken, to all who hear and know but few will know
Seek what is Gods only.
Adam, you know how I was, well I felt good today God was there again.
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