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Most denominations believe that hell is indeed forever. However, is there really any legitimate evidence to back such a belief up?
As seen many times in revelations, “forever and ever,” or “eternal,” has deceived many people in taking a false interpretation. Aions kai aions, is frequently mistranslated in the bible as “eternal or forever and ever.” However, aion which means an “Age” shows us a more truthful insight into the meaning of forever. An aion(age) is an finite amount of time. So if there is a period of finite times, they eventually end. Furthermore, if the singular form aion is translated as an “Age.” How can we make sense out of “aions,” the plural form? How can there be ages of ages? How could there be an infinite amount of time of other another infinite amount of time? Is this really feasable? I sure hope not to anyone with logic.
Here is some scripture regarding the end of the our time.
For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all dieL, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 “For God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “All things are put in subjection under him,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
-Corinthians 1, 15:21-28My view on that
As you see, I have appropiately put the important parts of that scripture in bold. Especially in regard to the words.. “all things.” If “all things” are put under God, how would one decide to interpret that? Is there any reason to assume otherwise? Should we limit God's plan, and predict that God will not have all under his feet? It cleary insinuates that God will have all rejoicing in his power. The scripture has completely implicated that someday, “all things,” will be under God and obedient to him. Not only does it say “All things,” it ends saying.. “everything to everyone.” Does it become any more clear then that?
Not only in corinthians does paul talk about the end, but Jesus himself makes it known that everyone will confess to him someday.
“It is written: “`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'” Rom. 14:11.
Now we must take that passage into account with a grain of salt. If everyone will eventually confess to God, then is it not reasonable to realize that God is a loving and forgiving God? If hell was forever, and everyone confesses, I wouldn't sense the Forgiving God that our bible promises.
Why is there such a belief that only a few are chosen to inherit heaven? Is God not wise enough to establish a plan and show his love to all of his creation? Is he not a loving and gentle God? I believe there is surely justice in God, but not by any means would he execute his spectacular plan by letting his people suffer forever. Otherwise it'd almost appear that satan had the last laugh.
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I also personally do not believe that Hell is forever.
Revelation 20:14
And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Try this page:
https://heavennet.net/answers/answer26.htmOr try this discussion:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….ic=5Hi All: ………. I do believe that the flesh shall perish. Gen. 18:27 "which am but dust and ashes." (nephesh) (ruah) is breath, wind, the term soul specifies that in the immaterial part of man which concerns life, action and emotion. Spirit is that part related to worship and divine communion. the two terms are often used interchangeably, the same function being ascribed to each. ref ; John 12:27, 1 Cor 16:18, 2 Cor 7:13, 1 Peter 2:11, Jas 5:20, 1 cor 5:5, 1 Peter 4:5
The Soul and /or Spirit can not burn or be comsumed or perish. …. This is a powerful subject and thank you for all your work. ….An open mind seeks the truth…..Is Hell eternal?
Well we know that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire, so the real question is “Is the Lake of Fire forever”? And if so, will those who are thrown into it suffer for all eternity or will they suffer everlasting destruction?
I believe the latter.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that who ever shall believe in him shall not PERISH but will have everlasting life.
Or
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are PERISHING, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Or
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and many enter through it.
Everlasting destruction means that one is detroyed forever. They will never have life.
I do not deny however that Hell is not a place of suffering, for it truly is. The wicked in Hell are in torment. That is their punishment for their sin. But Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire in the end. That is God's mercy.
How nice to see that your understanding of hell is on par with the bible- After my addition and reading of your trinity forum- I decided to check your other forums.
There is one point about hell and its demolition which is not included here, Which is ……
that hell is emptied of all the dead in it.Just for some controversy. Seen as this is a widly missunderstood concept as to people in hell.
Revelation 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Now some points worth noting.
*12 the dead are judged- According to what they had done.
*13 then the sea, death and hades (hell) Gave up the dead. Then these dead are judged seperatly,
According to what he has done.*14 – Death and hades destroyed, but not the sea- Therefore its literal.
Now for the controversy to begin-
*hell is the place described by jesus as a place where the evil people go- path of destruction- fire never goes out – worm never dies-
*According to Rev 20:13 Death and hades are only temperary, This does not contradict Jesus, because it is only while you are in there that the fire never goes out- and the worm never dies.*The void was fixed as abraham said to the rich man- But the end is when things change a new order comes.
The rich man was judged for his actions and sent there- But now There is another judgment- another waying of his life.
Two judgments? I tell you yes!! Rev 20:13This means there is a chance for someone who is in hell to get out because of his life- because of his actions. (only because jesus is the attoning sacrifice, and chooses who shall enter his Kingdom)
This is my backup- for this reasoning.
Ive added the line to show he was in fact telling this to a pharisee.Luke 14
1One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. 2There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy.
12Then Jesus said to his host, “When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
He says they will be repaid. At the reserection. Meaning- They can go to hell for theyre indulgent life- For not believing in Jesus, But then When Death and hades are emptied, Be repaid.
Once again Another scripture. To back this statment.
Luke 16:9
9I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.
For IF it were not so then Death and hades would be thrown into the seccond death with everyone else inside if they were condemed allready-
And to back my view again,
The other dead had allready been judged Rev 20:12
So this was a private judging for the Death hades and sea dead of REV 20:13as you see-
Rev 20:13 The dead are given up and then judged according to what they had done.
followed by
Rev 22:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Yey yey yey, truth lovers!! read and be appalled at the mainstram teachings.
Oh this burden of my seeking hurts me deeply how i wish this living death would end. And true life in my new body would begin ^_^
This is preety much a look what i know thing- Because its better just to make sure of it- and run the race- And it would suck to sit in hell for a few thousand years untill judgment day- Im kind of thinking maybe thats what happens to suiciders- maybe-
Yeah better to do what Jesus says ^_^Luke 13:24
“Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.All knowledge Means nothing without Love , care , action, to our neighbours, Go get a sposer child run an orphanage in your town, do something. If you dont care then ask God to Make your heart desire what he desires, To make you have a compasionate heart- he is willing. He is a good father.
Laterz
(Edited by ringo111 at 5:29 am on Feb. 12, 2004)
Hi ruko ,
Hell is a popular topic. But you need to discriminate between Hades, which is only a place of waiting as in Lk 16 and is eventually destroyed in the lake of fire, and Geena[Gehenna], which is the lake of fire or the second death. KJV does not draw the distinction and calls them all hell.And there's no coming back from the second death, the lake of fire, is there? That's it. It's done. So, if hades and death are thrown into the lake of fire, then hades (hell) is not eternal.
In other places in the Bible, we are told that death would be done away with, that Jehovah would swallow up death forever.
And, we're also told that death would be thrown in the lake of fire. Therefore, death and hell being thrown in the lake of fire both signal the end of these things.Hi david,
You have me confused.
The bible says that the second death IS the lake of fire[Rev 20.14 and 21.8].
The second of the above verses occurs after the new heaven and new earth appear in Rev 21.1
It does not say that the lake of fire passes away does it?Quote It does not say that the lake of fire passes away does it?
No, it doesn't.Yes, the second death is the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. But “death” is thrown in, along with hades. So there will be no more people in hades, the common grave of mankind. It will be emptied. And there will be no more people dying. Death will be thrown into the lake of fire, the second death.
In other words–Death will die.
Yes david,
I agree.
No more mortality for man.
Eternal life rules.
No more Sheol.
Resurrection and Final Judgement empties the places of waiting.
As Paul said in 1Cor 15“death is swallowed up in victory”
and
“The last enemy that will be abolished is death”But the Lake of fire burns.
And the wicked
- waste away;
- are destroyed;
- perish.
Psalm 112:10
The wicked man will see and be vexed, he will gnash his teeth and waste away; the longings of the wicked will come to nothing.Quote (forthetruth @ Jan. 30 2004,17:38) Most denominations believe that hell is indeed forever. However, is there really any legitimate evidence to back such a belief up? As seen many times in revelations, “forever and ever,” or “eternal,” has deceived many people in taking a false interpretation. Aions kai aions, is frequently mistranslated in the bible as “eternal or forever and ever.” However, aion which means an “Age” shows us a more truthful insight into the meaning of forever. An aion(age) is an finite amount of time. So if there is a period of finite times, they eventually end. Furthermore, if the singular form aion is translated as an “Age.” How can we make sense out of “aions,” the plural form? How can there be ages of ages? How could there be an infinite amount of time of other another infinite amount of time? Is this really feasable? I sure hope not to anyone with logic.
Here is some scripture regarding the end of the our time.
For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all dieL, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 “For God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “All things are put in subjection under him,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things under him, that God may be everything to every one.
-Corinthians 1, 15:21-28My view on that
As you see, I have appropiately put the important parts of that scripture in bold. Especially in regard to the words.. “all things.” If “all things” are put under God, how would one decide to interpret that? Is there any reason to assume otherwise? Should we limit God's plan, and predict that God will not have all under his feet? It cleary insinuates that God will have all rejoicing in his power. The scripture has completely implicated that someday, “all things,” will be under God and obedient to him. Not only does it say “All things,” it ends saying.. “everything to everyone.” Does it become any more clear then that?
Not only in corinthians does paul talk about the end, but Jesus himself makes it known that everyone will confess to him someday.
“It is written: “`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'” Rom. 14:11.
Now we must take that passage into account with a grain of salt. If everyone will eventually confess to God, then is it not reasonable to realize that God is a loving and forgiving God? If hell was forever, and everyone confesses, I wouldn't sense the Forgiving God that our bible promises.
Why is there such a belief that only a few are chosen to inherit heaven? Is God not wise enough to establish a plan and show his love to all of his creation? Is he not a loving and gentle God? I believe there is surely justice in God, but not by any means would he execute his spectacular plan by letting his people suffer forever. Otherwise it'd almost appear that satan had the last laugh.
(Edited by forthetruth at 9:59 pm on Jan. 30, 2004)
(Edited by forthetruth at 10:05 pm on Jan. 30, 2004)
(Edited by forthetruth at 10:07 pm on Jan. 30, 2004)
In the bible I use, the “Concordant Literal New Testament”, the word “Hell” is never used. Can anyone point out to me in what versions of the bible uses the word “Hell”, and in what context?
I personally believe that scripture says that God will be “All in all” (1.Cor.15:28), meaning that all will be saved.Blessings.
To ALL…….can anyone tell us how you cast death and Hell into a literial lake of fire? How does that work literally? Maybe Nick or David understands how that is done, seeing they believe in a (LITERAL Lake of FIRE)> but neither seem to be able to explain it.
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