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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,13:12) now does God at any point as to go and see into the future to see what he already know
Pierre,God showed John VIVID DETAILS of what was going to happen in the future, right?
How could God show those details to John if God can't even see those details in His own mind?
If God couldn't “foresee” those events, then He couldn't very well allow John to “foresee” them in such a brilliantly detailed account, could He?
Perhaps God knows the future in that he set the Universe up and knows how it will unwind. But by giving free will, he relinquishes knowledge resulting from that. However, because men with a free will have boundaries, he still accurately knows what will happen within the boundaries he set.
Further, using his will he draws out his plan and it is up to people to choose what part of the plan they belong to. e.g., he allowed for the Antichrist, but men who are offered such a position still choose whether to take it or not. But he knows that someone will take it. On the downside of that view is that his name will add to 666, thus this seems to require foreknowledge.
Another view might be he knows all about this Earth because it is in the dimension of time. But when Satan first rebelled, he was not in that dimension, so a different set of rules there and Satan obviously himself had free will which again may be the relinquishing of knowing what an entity who possess will do.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2014,06:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,22:11) According to many physicists, time is an illusion. It is chunks of reality fed to us in a certain order. Some surmise that this has more to do with the way the brain processes reality. Just saying.
I dont seek the scriptures by involving any
stangers,like some physicist.
The Holy spirit is the key for knowledge.wakeup.[/quote]
I guess that you do not believe in Relativity or electromagnetism then, because such information is not mentioned in scripture and the Holy Spirit didn't reveal it.
T8.I leave that over to the professionals scientists.
I dont know much about science.wakeup.
No Mike, The bible is about the spiritual,
not science. To know God, not how the earth or
the universe works.wakeup.
mike
does a architect knows is building up the the nails and screws ,yes he does , because not only he created the building design but he also created the finishing of what it would look when it is finished ,God tells that he will remove all wickedness from the earth ;wow ,step back ,do you know what this really means ? do you see all the implication all over the world ,in every single family the impact of that one statement ,
you ever think that most of the people that live today ,do not want to submit to God unless it is under their own condition ,or don't have the time for God,or just do not believe there is a God ,
they only will react when in deep trouble then they look up ,IS THIS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS
are those the believers that God looks for Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2014,01:49) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,13:12) now does God at any point as to go and see into the future to see what he already know
Pierre,God showed John VIVID DETAILS of what was going to happen in the future, right?
How could God show those details to John if God can't even see those details in His own mind?
If God couldn't “foresee” those events, then He couldn't very well allow John to “foresee” them in such a brilliantly detailed account, could He?
to me God knows and let people foresee or give them foreknowledge of what he knows will happen now or in the future ,those are called prophets and prophesies,Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,14:52) to me God knows and let people foresee or give them foreknowledge of what he knows will happen now or in the future ……..
Look at your own words, Pierre.In Revelation, John SAW those future things. And to SEE future events is called “foreseeing”.
How could God allow JOHN to “foresee” events that He Himself could not foresee?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2014,05:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,14:52) to me God knows and let people foresee or give them foreknowledge of what he knows will happen now or in the future ……..
Look at your own words, Pierre.In Revelation, John SAW those future things. And to SEE future events is called “foreseeing”.
How could God allow JOHN to “foresee” events that He Himself could not foresee?
Mikethat is correct John saw the future in a way HIDDEN ,but this is given by God HOW KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE OF MEN'S WORLD WILL BE
SO IT IS JOHN THAT FORESEES AND SO RECEIVES FOREKNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE JOHN DOES NOT KNOW ,FROM GOD WHO DOES KNOW ,
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2014,01:55) Perhaps God knows the future in that he set the Universe up and knows how it will unwind. But by giving free will, he relinquishes knowledge resulting from that. However, because men with a free will have boundaries, he still accurately knows what will happen within the boundaries he set. Further, using his will he draws out his plan and it is up to people to choose what part of the plan they belong to. e.g., he allowed for the Antichrist, but men who are offered such a position still choose whether to take it or not. But he knows that someone will take it. On the downside of that view is that his name will add to 666, thus this seems to require foreknowledge.
Another view might be he knows all about this Earth because it is in the dimension of time. But when Satan first rebelled, he was not in that dimension, so a different set of rules there and Satan obviously himself had free will which again may be the relinquishing of knowing what an entity who possess will do.
T8RIGHT ,God always knows were he his at ,it is the created beings that do not ,but God does not want people to live in fear of him ,but live to love him ,and this is what Satan thought was God's weakness when men was created and so toke that opportunity to drag men away from God and to himself ,BUT SATAN DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE RULE OF “LOVE” THAT GOD AD PUT IN PLACE AND SOON FIND HIMSELF JAMMED BY IT ,THIS CAN BE MORE CLEARLY SEEN TODAY
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,03:27) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2014,01:55) Perhaps God knows the future in that he set the Universe up and knows how it will unwind. But by giving free will, he relinquishes knowledge resulting from that. However, because men with a free will have boundaries, he still accurately knows what will happen within the boundaries he set. Further, using his will he draws out his plan and it is up to people to choose what part of the plan they belong to. e.g., he allowed for the Antichrist, but men who are offered such a position still choose whether to take it or not. But he knows that someone will take it. On the downside of that view is that his name will add to 666, thus this seems to require foreknowledge.
Another view might be he knows all about this Earth because it is in the dimension of time. But when Satan first rebelled, he was not in that dimension, so a different set of rules there and Satan obviously himself had free will which again may be the relinquishing of knowing what an entity who possess will do.
T8RIGHT ,God always knows were he his at ,it is the created beings that do not ,but God does not want people to live in fear of him ,but live to love him ,and this is what Satan thought was God's weakness when men was created and so toke that opportunity to drag men away from God and to himself ,BUT SATAN DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE RULE OF “LOVE” THAT GOD AD PUT IN PLACE AND SOON FIND HIMSELF JAMMED BY IT ,THIS CAN BE MORE CLEARLY SEEN TODAY
Deuteronomy 4:10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, ***that they may learn to fear me*** all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, ***that they would fear me***, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Jeremiah 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, ***that they may fear me for ever***, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Zephaniah 3:7 I said, Surely ***thou wilt fear me***, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
wakeup.
Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,05:32) Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
T.You have just contradicted the scriptures.
And Now trying to get away by trying to divide the word fear into many different meanings.
This is how you operate.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,17:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2014,05:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,14:52) to me God knows and let people foresee or give them foreknowledge of what he knows will happen now or in the future ……..
Look at your own words, Pierre.In Revelation, John SAW those future things. And to SEE future events is called “foreseeing”.
How could God allow JOHN to “foresee” events that He Himself could not foresee?
Mike……this is given by God WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE OF MEN'S WORLD WILL BE
SO IT IS JOHN THAT FORESEES AND SO RECEIVES FOREKNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE JOHN DOES NOT KNOW ,FROM GOD WHO DOES KNOW ,
Pierre,Are you somehow under the false impression that a person who “foresees” the future must be SHOWN those things by a higher power? Because that is not the case.
John was able to foresee by God's power. God is able to foresee by His own power.
And once again, if God couldn't foresee those future events in Revelation, then He wouldn't have been able to show them to John.
It's really that simple.
Mike
i do not say that God does not know the future for men ,of cause he does he is the plan maker ;it is us who do not know and which to know ;
just as Jesus said only God knows the hour , what John sew is what God give him to see either in the spirit or not ,but what was revealed to John was not from his own powers but by the holy spirit of God ,
why can a architect tell you and describe you the building than he will build inside out and outside in
because he is the one that as it in his own mind and so possesses all the knowledge of it ,and so it is with God the great architect it is that simple Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2014,11:08) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,17:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2014,05:21) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,14:52) to me God knows and let people foresee or give them foreknowledge of what he knows will happen now or in the future ……..
Look at your own words, Pierre.In Revelation, John SAW those future things. And to SEE future events is called “foreseeing”.
How could God allow JOHN to “foresee” events that He Himself could not foresee?
Mike……this is given by God WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE OF MEN'S WORLD WILL BE
SO IT IS JOHN THAT FORESEES AND SO RECEIVES FOREKNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HE JOHN DOES NOT KNOW ,FROM GOD WHO DOES KNOW ,
Pierre,Are you somehow under the false impression that a person who “foresees” the future must be SHOWN those things by a higher power? Because that is not the case.
John was able to foresee by God's power. God is able to foresee by His own power.
And once again, if God couldn't foresee those future events in Revelation, then He wouldn't have been able to show them to John.
It's really that simple.
MikeB.That makes good sense ,and you
are correct.
Only the proud will not see,even if he sees.The proud can not, and will never say;I'm sorry.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 05 2014,08:35) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2014,06:43) Wakeup,Feb. wrote:According to many physicists, time is an illusion. It is chunks of reality fed to us in a certain order. Some surmise that this has more to do with the way the brain processes reality.
Just saying.
T8.
I leave that over to the professionals scientists.
I dont know much about science.wakeup.
For example, some are told that if they don't repent, their name will be blotted out of the Book of Life. So if they are blotted out, then how did they get in there in the first place if it was a forgone conclusion? Is it possible that the outcome may not be exactly what God intends for his creation because he relinquishes all knowledge by giving beings free will. Thus if this were true, then God created Satan as a perfect being to begin with and with the best of intentions and loved him as a son to begin with, but didn't know what decisions he would make. Otherwise he did all that, but knew his future and loved him anyway, knowing he was going to be his greatest enemy in the future.But as said before, he certainly does know about his universe and what star falls from Heaven and when because they do not possess free will. Thus he knows the beginning and the end, but he is perhaps only able to make the situations and conditions as favourable as possible for his living creatures so that they have the best possible outcome. But even after that, if they chose against him, he honours their will and acts accordingly.
And how does he know about Satan's fate for example before the time, because his plan to dispose of him has been spoken as a judgement, and he spoke this after Satan chose sin.
Just speculating here of course.
T8.
Before God started creating;all his plans are worked out
in his mind. Like a war strategist does.
Like a good chest player,but much better.God has all the pawns,He just use them.
Good pawns, and evil pawns.
Evil spirits;evil angels; good angels; his prophets.
He started with creating flesh,then put him to the test.
etc.etc.NOT FORGETTING JESUS WORDS.
NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS HIM. THERE YOU ARE;GOD IS EVEN IN CHARGE OF THEM
WHO SHOULD COME TO FESUS AND WHOM NOT.The power in electricity is in the plus and minus.
Just the plus only wont do the purpose.God also hardened the heart of the pharaoh 10x.
God also send Moses up the mountain for 40 days,
just enough time for some of his men worship the calf.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,05:32) Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
T.You have just contradicted the scriptures.
And Now trying to get away by trying to divide the word fear into many different meanings.
This is how you operate.wakeup.
you most have feared your fatherQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,16:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2014,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,05:32) Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FEAR LIKE IN RESPECT ,HONOR ,KNOWING THAT HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD ,NOT FEAR LIKE BEING SCARED OF HIM
T.You have just contradicted the scriptures.
And Now trying to get away by trying to divide the word fear into many different meanings.
This is how you operate.wakeup.
you most have feared your father
T.Yes, and that made me a responsible person.
Where you a spoiled child?wakeup.
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