Does god know the future?

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 03 2014,18:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,02:43)

God knows it all you said it yourself.
Therefore HE can tell what's to come.
He can tell the future.
So what is blocking you?

According to many physicists, time is an illusion. It is chunks of reality fed to us in a certain order. Some surmise that this has more to do with the way the brain processes reality.

Just saying.

I dont seek the scriptures by involving any
stangers,like some physicist.
The Holy spirit is the key for knowledge.

wakeup.

February 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm#369089

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yes God knows the future because he as the plans to make the future ,and no one can stop him from doing what he plans to do

February 3, 2014 at 5:39 pm#369092

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,03:24)

yes God knows the future because he as the plans to make the future ,and no one can stop him from doing what he plans to do

You finally agree?

wakeup.

February 3, 2014 at 5:48 pm#369094

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,22:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2014,03:24)

yes God knows the future because he as the plans to make the future ,and no one can stop him from doing what he plans to do

You finally agree?

wakeup.

YOU SHOW ME WERE I HAVE EVER SUPPORTED OR DISAGREE WITH THIS ,(MY QUOTE)

AND THEN FOR ONCE YOU WOULD BE RIGHT ,IF NOT YOUR REMARK IS A DECEIVING ONE AGAIN

February 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm#369102

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I discussed this topic with my Mom and my Aunt Sandy this past weekend. They both sided with Pierre and Wm on this one.

To tell the truth, I can see it from both ways……. at first. I can see what Pierre is saying. He is saying that God doesn't look forward and watch future events unfolding, but instead can foretell the future because He can make anything happen that He wants to happen.

It's the difference between:

1. I can tell you about the future because I've looked ahead in time, and watched these things as they were happening in the future.

2. I can tell you about the future because I have the power to CAUSE any future I want to cause.

And I'm okay with that 2nd understanding UNTIL I come to passages like Deut 31:16-18. Using that 2nd understanding, that Deut passage is a matter of Jehovah telling Moses the bad things that are soon to happen because He is going to CAUSE those bad things to happen.

So just that one little passage is enough for me to stick with the first understanding.

I'm bored with this topic for right now, but I'll keep my eyes open for more passages like Deut 31:16-18.

February 3, 2014 at 9:47 pm#369106

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,01:34)

I discussed this topic with my Mom and my Aunt Sandy this past weekend. They both sided with Pierre and Wm on this one.

It's the difference between:

1. I can tell you about the future because I've looked ahead in time, and watched these things as they were happening in the future.

2. I can tell you about the future because I have the power to CAUSE any future I want to cause.

So just that one little passage is enough for me to stick with the first understanding.

I'm bored with this topic for right now, but I'll keep my eyes open for more passages like Deut 31:16-18.

Mike

whatever and were ever it says that God cause it to happen ,this does not mean that God take action to make it happen ,JUST BY NOT INTERVENE IN FAVOR OF ISRAEL WOULD HAVE CAUSE THEIR ENEMY TO OVER RUN THEM ,

GOD WILL NOT MAKE EVIL DO EVIL BUT HE MAY NOT PROTECT YOU FROM IT ,THIS BY IT SELF WOULD BE OR COULD BE YOUR DOWNFALL ,

IT SAYS THE HEART OF MEN ARE WICKED SO IS THEIR ACTIONS ,

UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPEN WITH ISRAEL GOD TOLD THEM IF THEY WOULD NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENT AND IF THEY GO AFTER OTHER GODS THE GODS OF THE LAND ,HE WOULD GIVE THEM THE SAME FAITH THAT THEY WENT TROUGH WHEN HE GIVE ISRAEL THE LAND ,MEANING BEING DESTROYED ,

Dt 31:16 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your fathers, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them.
Dt 31:17 On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?’
Dt 31:18 And I will certainly hide my face on that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods.

WAS THIS NEW TO GOD ? NO ,

Ge 6:5 The LORD saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
Ge 6:6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.
Ge 6:7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.

BUT LOOK HERE ;

Ge 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Ge 6:9 This is the account of Noah.

Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God.
Ge 6:10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
Ge 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence

RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING GOD SHOWS HIM SELVES IN FAVOR FOR THOSE THAT LOVE HIM , AND THEIR IS NOTHING CHANGE IN THAT ,

SO YOUR SCRIPTURES SEEN IN VIEW OF WHAT IS KNOWN IS QUITE SIMPLE ,AND IT DOES NOT STOP YOUR VIEW #2 AND IS NOT AGAINST THE SCRIPTURES AT ALL ,

I LEAVE IT WITH YOU NOW ,

February 3, 2014 at 10:14 pm#369113

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Pierre,

This is very simple for me. God either knew the Israelites would go after the gods of the nations because He can foresee the future……… or He knew it because He knew He was going to CAUSE them to do it.

Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as I can tell. And I don't believe the second one is what happened.

February 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm#369116

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,03:14)

Pierre,

Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as I can tell. And I don't believe the second one is what happened.

Mike

no ,those are not the two WHAT ABOUT IF GOD DOES NOT BLESS THEM OR PROTECT ,OR US THEN WHAT DID HE CAUSE THE WICKEDNESS OF OTHERS TO COME UPON US ,LIKE JOB THEN WAS IT GOD THAT CAUSED IT

DO WE LOVE GOD FOR THE GOOD THINGS HE GIVE US LIKE SATAN SAYS OR IS IT BECAUSE OF OUR LOVE FOR HIM

REMEMBER WHERE JESUS SAYS THAT THE ANGEL OF THE CHILDREN , THAT THEY SEE GOD EVERY DAY

February 3, 2014 at 11:01 pm#369117

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 03 2014,13:36)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,02:43)

God knows it all you said it yourself.
Therefore HE can tell what's to come.
He can tell the future.
So what is blocking you?

According to many physicists, time is an illusion. It is chunks of reality fed to us in a certain order. Some surmise that this has more to do with the way the brain processes reality.

Just saying.

YES COULD BE ,because there is no present =the present is a accumulation of a short time configuration ,could be 5 minutes or a hour or today ,because time never stops ,we walk from the past into the future

just as there are no lines but a line is the accumulation of dots ,

just like everything we see is not real but it is what we perceiving

all materials are made out of atoms and space

and some other things

February 3, 2014 at 11:27 pm#369122

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,15:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,03:14)

Pierre,

Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as I can tell. And I don't believe the second one is what happened.

Mike

WHAT ABOUT IF GOD DOES NOT BLESS THEM OR PROTECT ,OR US THEN WHAT ?

Are you now saying that God didn't directly CAUSE them to go after other gods, but that He knew ahead of time that they would because He knew He was going to withdraw His protection from them?

Pierre, this is just too much. I'm seriously tired of this discussion. Believe it whatever way you want to believe it.

I personally believe that God knew the Israelites would soon go after the gods of the nations because God can foresee the future any time He wants to.

It's okay with me if you don't agree.

peace,
mike

February 4, 2014 at 12:04 am#369126

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,04:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2014,15:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2014,03:14)

Pierre,

Those are the only two choices in the matter – as far as I can tell. And I don't believe the second one is what happened.

Mike

WHAT ABOUT IF GOD DOES NOT BLESS THEM OR PROTECT ,OR US THEN WHAT ?

Are you now saying that God didn't directly CAUSE them to go after other gods, but that He knew ahead of time that they would because He knew He was going to withdraw His protection from them?

Pierre, this is just too much. I'm seriously tired of this discussion. Believe it whatever way you want to believe it.

I personally believe that God knew the Israelites would soon go after the gods of the nations because God can foresee the future any time He wants to.

It's okay with me if you don't agree.

peace,
mike

Mike

you are now interpreting my words in a way that i do not support ,

and yes i disagree to that God foresee what he well knows

February 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm#369153

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The truth you will never support.
The opposite to truth is your bread.
You have sucked on wolves milk for too long;
to become like the humble sheep.
Do you howl in your sleep?

wakeup.

February 4, 2014 at 2:53 pm#369156

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2014,19:44)

The truth you will never support.
The opposite to truth is your bread.
You have sucked on wolves milk for too long;
to become like the humble sheep.
Do you howl in your sleep?

wakeup.

you have nothing to say worth of listen to it ,

just slander what you do not understand ,

this is what you have being doing for the past 2 years ,

when do you going to learn this is not Christ way

February 4, 2014 at 3:00 pm#369157

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Mike

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I personally believe that God knew the Israelites would soon go after the gods of the nations because God can foresee the future any time He wants to.

their is a little saying i have learn years ago ;it says this ;” LET ME SEE HOW YOU WALK AND I WILL TELL YOU WHERE YOU GOING “

OR “TELL ME WHAT YOU READ AND I TELL WHO YOU ARE ”

IT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALL ABOUT ;Jn 2:23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name.
Jn 2:24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.
Jn 2:25 He did not need man’s testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.

February 4, 2014 at 3:44 pm#369171

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,00:53)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 04 2014,19:44)

The truth you will never support.
The opposite to truth is your bread.
You have sucked on wolves milk for too long;
to become like the humble sheep.
Do you howl in your sleep?

wakeup.

you have nothing to say worth of listen to it ,

just slander what you do not understand ,

this is what you have being doing for the past 2 years ,

when do you going to learn this is not Christ way

Maybe if I howl like you do, you will understand.
Your understanding is also the world's understanding.
You are to go against everything that is written in truth.
Everything: the prophesies and the gospels.

Even Jesus own warnings you try to water down.
Saying; that was past. Dont worry, go back to sleep,
all is fine. There will be no great tribulation coming.
They are just scare mongering. Hear me,I am a true sheep.

These are false apostles come in to the fold.

wakeup.

February 4, 2014 at 7:59 pm#369192

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This is a useless argument, IMO.

Because even if Pierre and Wm are correct, and God can only foretell what's going to happen because He knows ahead of time what He's going to CAUSE to happen, it is STILL a matter of God “foreknowing” something.

And to “foreknow” something is to have “foresight”. And to have “foresight” is to have the ability to “foresee”.

So no matter which side of the coin you are on, the bottom line is that God CAN “foresee” the future.

I mean, how could God have painted such a detailed picture of future events for John in Revelation if God Himself cannot foresee all those same details in His own mind?

February 4, 2014 at 8:12 pm#369195

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Mike

God says he told all sins the beginning ; from the beginning to the end what will be ; it is obvious that he knows the future ,and that he as knowledge of what will or going to happen he is the one that cause it to happen ,because he say so that it will be ;

now does God at any point as to go and see into the future to see what he already know to me it is no,

now does God at any point as to go and look to foresee and pickup some foreknowledge of what he already KNOWS IN MY VIEW NO

God knows what the world will look when his plan and his son will be come to its end ,

and as i say most of what revelation says is written in other books of the scriptures ,

February 4, 2014 at 8:43 pm#369198

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 03 2014,22:11)

According to many physicists, time is an illusion. It is chunks of reality fed to us in a certain order. Some surmise that this has more to do with the way the brain processes reality.

Just saying.[/quote]
I dont seek the scriptures by involving any
stangers,like some physicist.
The Holy spirit is the key for knowledge.

wakeup.

I guess that you do not believe in Relativity or electromagnetism then, because such information is not mentioned in scripture and the Holy Spirit didn't reveal it.

February 4, 2014 at 8:47 pm#369200