Does god know the future?

[terraricca]

Mike

scriptures says;Ge 3:5 “
for GOD KNOWS that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Lk 16:15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight.
2Co 11:11 Why? Because I do not love you?
GOD KNOWS I do!
2Co 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—
GOD KNOWS .
2Co 12:3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but
GOD KNOWS —

1Co 3:20 and again, “ THE LORD KNOWS that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “THE LORD KNOWS those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
2Pe 2:9 if this is so, then THE LORD KNOWS how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

AS FOR “FORESEE ” IS ONLY RELATED TO MEN ;

Isa 47:11 Disaster will come upon you,
and you will not know how to conjure it away.
A calamity will fall upon you
that you cannot ward off with a ransom;
a catastrophe you cannot FORESEE
will suddenly come upon you.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come LIKE A THIEF (CANNOT FORESEEN IT ). The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

[terraricca]

Mike

as for ;foreknowledge what would mean that God already knows the outcome ,

Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
1Pe 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

[seekingtruth]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2014,04:50)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 19 2014,07:44) Marty, Are those scriptures a proclamation of a future event foreseen, or are they statements of a God whose character, knowledge, and power will bring them to pass. Just searching for truth – Wm Hi William: I think both in some sense because unless He had intervened in the affairs of mankind none of us would be saved, right.  He gave His Only Begotten Son.   Therefore, he influenced the outcome, but He had for-seen the precise time that HE would send His Son into the world.   The scriptures state that Jesus was “fore-ordained” from the creation of the world. But his will was that all men come to repentance, and not all will.  If He had the power to over everything, to bring His will to pass.  Wouldn't all men have been saved?  Yet, he has for-seen that they would not believe the gospel. He has the power to influence mankind's decisions of whether or not we want to serve Him, but we have the freedom to make that choice.  Some decided not to serve Him although He did everything in His power to save them. I know that you are seeking for the truth, and that is what we should all do. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,
I do believe that God had a plan and purpose, to expose sin so “it might become utterly sinful,” making it apparent to all.  I also agree that Jesus was “fore-ordained” from the creation of the world and at the appropriate time He was sent. “The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.”

I'm postulating that it was part of God's plan to battle with satan on more or less equal footing (limiting Himself and His power) to demonstrate how He could win and build the Kingdom of Heaven right in the middle of satan's kingdom and to expose sin and it's lasting effects but in an environment that can display how those with faith can be redeemed.

I believe everything God does Glorifies Him displaying that He is “compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished”.

What I'm questioning in this thread is; did God foresee everything and we are more or less acting it out, or is He exerting the power left to Him (limited to satan's level for the purpose of the demonstration) to see His plan completed and His purpose fulfilled.

I may have left the path on my search for truth and gone down some rabbit trail but I am searching within scriptures for truth and even if in error, I believe it is to God I will stand or fall, but God is able to make me stand.

Thank you for your input and the Lord bless you- Wm

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 21 2014,01:08) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2014,19:58) t8, 1.  There is no way you can KNOW that your sons will rebel.  For all we know, Christ could come tomorrow, and your sons won't even have that chance.  Or your sons might surprise you and become priests at age 17.   The best you can do is make an “educated GUESS” that they will rebel.  And when I asked Wm if God made an “educated GUESS” that the Israelites would rebel, he got mad at me. SAY WHAT!!!! When did I get mad at anyone? (other then right now).. Wm From page 8 of this thread: Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 29 2014,14:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2014,20:45) Okay Wm, I'll add a third possibility to it. 3.  God was using something akin to human logical deduction (perhaps an “educated guess”), and was therefore PRETTY SURE that the Israelites would do those things soon in the future. Mike, Option #3 is worded in a poor manner to ridicule the possibility of the idea I'm postulating. No, God does not use “human logical deduction” If you feel you must be snide I would rather you bother someone else………. Did you say those things to me because you were HAPPY with me, Wm?

Mike,
I was being more sarcastic then mad, but if I ms-spoke forgive me

Wm

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Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2014,04:50) Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 19 2014,07:44) Marty, Are those scriptures a proclamation of a future event foreseen, or are they statements of a God whose character, knowledge, and power will bring them to pass. Just searching for truth – Wm Hi William: I think both in some sense because unless He had intervened in the affairs of mankind none of us would be saved, right.  He gave His Only Begotten Son.   Therefore, he influenced the outcome, but He had for-seen the precise time that HE would send His Son into the world.   The scriptures state that Jesus was “fore-ordained” from the creation of the world. But his will was that all men come to repentance, and not all will.  If He had the power to over everything, to bring His will to pass.  Wouldn't all men have been saved?  Yet, he has for-seen that they would not believe the gospel. He has the power to influence mankind's decisions of whether or not we want to serve Him, but we have the freedom to make that choice.  Some decided not to serve Him although He did everything in His power to save them. I know that you are seeking for the truth, and that is what we should all do. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, I do believe that God had a plan and purpose, to expose sin so “it might become utterly sinful,” making it apparent to all.  I also agree that Jesus was “fore-ordained” from the creation of the world and at the appropriate time He was sent. “The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.” I'm postulating that it was part of God's plan to battle with satan on more or less equal footing (limiting Himself and His power) to demonstrate how He could win and build the Kingdom of Heaven right in the middle of satan's kingdom and to expose sin and it's lasting effects but in an environment that can display how those with faith can be redeemed. I believe everything God does Glorifies Him displaying that He is “compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished”. What I'm questioning in this thread is; did God foresee everything and we are more or less acting it out, or is He exerting the power left to Him (limited to satan's level for the purpose of the demonstration) to see His plan completed and His purpose fulfilled. I may have left the path on my search for truth and gone down some rabbit trail but I am searching within scriptures for truth and even if in error, I believe it is to God I will stand or fall, but God is able to make me stand. Thank you for your input and the Lord bless you- Wm

Hi William:

None of us knows it all, and yes, keep searching for the truth, asking God to reveal it to you.

But no, I do not believe that we are just acting God's plan out.  Otherwise, he would have planned for those who are not saved not to be saved, and that would be contrary to the scriptures.

Jesus stated that he knew who would believe and who would not believe, and so, based on this scripture, and others, yes, God has already seen, for-seen, all from the beginning.  I have not for-seen all things, but He has shown me some things that will come to pass in my personal life for me and my family, and He has shown me by the scriptures some of the things that will happen in the future relative to the end times.  He states, in the scriptures, that He will show us things to come.

But I don't believe that you will “fall' even if you don't believe that He has for-seen everything.  But if you feel that you still need to search further for the truth then I would encourage you to do this with this subject and what ever else you may have questions about.

I have given you my understanding of this which is all that I can do.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Mike as for ;foreknowledge what would mean that God already knows the outcome , Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 1Pe 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Marty

I see that some do not understand those scriptures i quoted ;and that says ; who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:

THIS DOES NOT CLAIM A PERSON BUT A CLASS OF PERSONS ;AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH 144K THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF CHRIST

ALL OTHERS ARE THE PRODUCT OF THE 144K (GREAT CROWED )

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2014,00:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 23 2014,12:22) Mike John had vision of things that was to come……… Pierre, That is simply another way of saying, “John was able to SEE future events.” And “SEEING FUTURE EVENTS” is called “FORESEEING”. John could not FORESEE those things unless the God who showed him those things could also FORESEE them. Mike Is that not the same with all the prophets

Yes Pierre.

It is the same with anybody that God allowed to foresee future events. God could not possibly allow THEM to foresee something that He Himself was unable to foresee.

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Mike Show me were it says in scriptures that God foresees,???

Read the bolded part of my previous post, Pierre.

I don't know of a scripture that explicitly says, “God can foresee future events”.

But if you are comfortable believing that John and other prophets COULD foresee the future, while Jehovah God Almighty is UNABLE to do what these mere men can do, then stick with that belief.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2014,22:26)

So far you have not given me one scripture to support your view,so please do,

Galatians 3 NET
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,

7 so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel to Abraham ahead of time, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.”

The scripture can foresee, but God cannot?

Act 2:31 NET
David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his body experience decay.

David can foresee, but his God can Creator cannot?

Like I said Pierre, if you are comfortable with that belief, then keep it. To me, it is completely ABSURD to believe that mere MEN can foresee the future, but their God and Creator is unable to do such a thing.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,09:54)

“FORESEE ” IS ONLY RELATED TO MEN ;

From Dictionary.com……….

fore·know  

1.  to know beforehand.

Synonyms
foresee……….

Pierre, you believe God “foreknows”, right?  Then you also believe that God “foresees” – whether you like it or not – because the two words are synonyms.

To “foreknow” is to have “foresight”.  

And to have “foresight” is to “foresee”.

Pierre, you either understand this, or you don't. There is really nothing more for us to discuss about this subject.

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2014,16:19) 1. I know ahead of time, when my sons become teenagers, that at some point and to some degree they will depart the ways they have been taught when finding their own way in the world. t8, 1.  There is no way you can KNOW that your sons will rebel.  For all we know, Christ could come tomorrow, and your sons won't even have that chance.  Or your sons might surprise you and become priests at age 17.   The best you can do is make an “educated GUESS” that they will rebel.

Let's carry t8's thought forward, and consider what it would mean if GOD was the one who said t8's sons will depart from the ways they were taught.

What then?  If God said it, then it must be true, and not a guess, right?  And that means God knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that t8's sons will depart from the ways they were taught.

So the question is:  HOW does God know this for a fact?  

1.  Is it because God has given them the free will to do as they choose, and He is able to foresee that they will exercise that free will and depart from the good ways t8 has taught them?

2.  Is it because God knows what HE is going to cause to happen, and therefore God already knows that HE is going to purposely cause t8's sons to deviate from the righteous path?

Which one?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2014,05:52)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,09:54) “FORESEE ” IS ONLY RELATED TO MEN ; From Dictionary.com………. fore·know   1.  to know beforehand. Synonyms foresee………. Pierre, you believe God “foreknows”, right?  Then you also believe that God “foresees” – whether you like it or not – because the two words are synonyms. To “foreknow” is to have “foresight”.   And to have “foresight” is to “foresee”. Pierre, you either understand this, or you don't.  There is really nothing more for us to discuss about this subject.

Mike

God knows what he does and want, end of story;

what he give to men is foreseen by them of the thing they do not know ,not understand or do in part ,

men CANNOT FORESEEN ANYTHING UNLESS IT IS GIVEN BY GOD HOLY SPIRIT ,JUST AS SCRIPTURES SAYS IT ,

AND WHAT GOD KNOWS IT SAYS HE KNEW SINS THE BEGINNING(AND IN THE BEGINNING THEIR WAS NO MEN )THEN WHAT SHOULD WE SAY THAT HE FOREKNOW ALL THINGS BECAUSE OF HIS POWER AND KNOWLEDGE AND CREATION OF ALL THINGS ? IF YOU SAY YES THEN MEN HAVE THE SAME POWER AS GOD RIGHT OR WE KNOW THAT MEN DOES KNOW NOTHING OF THE THINGS OF GOD UNLESS GOD GIVE IT TO HIM ,

AND THAT HIS MY POINT ,

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AND WHAT GOD KNOWS IT SAYS HE KNEW SINS THE BEGINNING(AND IN THE BEGINNING THEIR WAS NO MEN )THEN WHAT SHOULD WE SAY THAT HE FOREKNOW ALL THINGS BECAUSE OF HIS POWER AND KNOWLEDGE AND CREATION OF ALL THINGS ? IF YOU SAY YES THEN MEN HAVE THE SAME POWER AS GOD RIGHT

No Pierre…….. WRONG.

The fact that GOD allows men to foresee certain things does NOT mean that those men have the same power as God.

But the fact that GOD can ALLOW those men to foresee certain things means that GOD can also foresee those same things.

He couldn't possibly show THEM something that He Himself cannot see.

Which number do you pick in the first post on this page? #1 or #2?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,18:40) AND WHAT GOD KNOWS IT SAYS HE KNEW SINS THE BEGINNING(AND IN THE BEGINNING THEIR WAS NO MEN )THEN WHAT SHOULD WE SAY THAT HE FOREKNOW ALL THINGS BECAUSE OF HIS POWER AND KNOWLEDGE AND CREATION OF ALL THINGS ? IF YOU SAY YES THEN MEN HAVE THE SAME POWER AS GOD RIGHT No Pierre…….. WRONG. The fact that GOD allows men to foresee certain things does NOT mean that those men have the same power as God. But the fact that GOD can ALLOW those men to foresee certain things means that GOD can also foresee those same things. He couldn't possibly show THEM something that He Himself cannot see. Which number do you pick in the first post on this page?  #1 or #2?

Mike

2. Is it because God knows what HE is going to cause what will happen,according to his will, and any man does not influence God's will ;it is up to men to accept God's condition or leave it ,those are the two options;

but what is GIVEN TO BE foreseen BY them FROM HIS PLAN THAT IS UP TO GOD AND NOT UP TO MEN ,so the son of T8 or anyone men for this matter as nothing to do with it that is up to them selves to decide ,only that what is given comes from God holy spirit so NOT FROM THEM IN ANY WAY ,and yes God can do that because he KNOWS WHAT HE WILL CAUSE TO BE HIS WILL ,NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT ,

to allow someone to see what will be ;you have to have a plan laid out first ,THIS IS WHAT GOD HAS;AND THAT IS WHAT GOD GIVES TO SOME TO BE THE CARRIER OF A PART OF THAT PLAN TO HELP HIS RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE TO FEED ON ,

Just as the great architect knows his building he builds he knows what come first and last and in between at all times ,this is how he can be in control of his work ,NOW IF YOU ASK IS IT MATTER WHICH CARPENTER ,PLUMBER,ELECTRICIAN,AND SO ON, WILL DO SOME OF THE WORK IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO HIS PROJECT BECAUSE AS LONG AS THEY QUALIFY IN THEIR OWN POSITION THEY ARE WELCOME

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,21:56) Mike as for ;foreknowledge what would mean that God already knows the outcome , Ac 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 1Pe 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. Marty I see that some do not understand those scriptures i quoted ;and that says ; who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: THIS DOES NOT CLAIM A PERSON BUT A CLASS OF PERSONS ;AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH 144K THOSE ARE THE PRODUCT OF CHRIST   ALL OTHERS ARE THE PRODUCT OF THE 144K (GREAT CROWED )

No, We, means you and I, and every one who is saved.

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Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Marty

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No, We, means you and I, and every one who is saved.

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Phil 3:14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Phil 3:16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

anyone that believe in Christ and gives to God the true worship will be saved ,but not all will go to heaven ,

THE PRIZE IS NOT HEAVEN BUT LIFE IT SELF HEAVEN IS FOR 144K ONLY.

Rev 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel

Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.

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Hi Pierre:

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Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Hi Pierre: Quote Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Love in Christ, Marty

MARTY

yes that is true but the great crowed are in front of the throne ,and do not follow the lamb were ever he goes ,now the front of a throne to me is the foot stool of the one that sits on the throne ;

GOD SAYS THAT THE EARTH IS HIS FOOT STOOL ,

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,20:42)

Mike 2. Is it because God knows what HE is going to cause what will happen,according to his will…………

So in your opinion, t8's sons will deviate from the good path he's showed them because God is going to FORCE them to do so?

Hmmmmm………..

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,20:42) Mike 2.  Is it because God knows what HE is going to cause what will  happen,according to his will………… So in your opinion, t8's sons will deviate from the good path he's showed them because God is going to FORCE them to do so? Hmmmmm………..

mike

no,i did not say that ,what i say it is up to the son of t8 to make that choice ,God does not tempt anyone to go one way or another but he wishes that we all go his way,by choice.

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