Does god know the future?

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2014,06:33)

You are an offence to the Word of God.

wakeup.

you are slandering God's name

February 16, 2014 at 10:40 pm#371327

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2014,06:33)

You are an offence to the Word of God.

wakeup.

NO ,I AM NOT I HONOR MY HEAVENLY FATHER ,AND HIS SON ,FOR THE LOVE THEY SHOWN TO ME AND TO ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN THE THEM ,

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT OFFEND GOD AND HIS SON OF CALLING THEM THE SOURCE OF EVIL , THE SOURCE OF WICKEDNESS ,

YOU SLANDER BOTH THEIR NAMES ,

AND TRUTH FLEES FROM YOU ,YOU SAY TO ME ;

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You are denying the written Word of God once more.
He said it clear and simple.
1) I KILL AND MAKE ALIVE.
2)I CREATED THE DESTROYER TO DESTROY.
3)I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS.
4)I CREATE LIGHT AND DARKNESS.
5)I CREATE EVIL.
6)IS THERE EVIL IN A CITY AND I DID NOT DO IT?

7)TERRA SAID NO; YOU *CAN NOT* DO IT GOD.
GOD IS IMPOTENT IN THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE.
HE CAN NOT HANDLE KILLING HIS CREATION.
HIS LOVE IMPEDES HIM FROM DOING EVIL.
HIS LOVE LIMITS HIM FROM DOING THOSE THINGS.
HE CAN NOT DO EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE.
GOD IS NOT ALL POWERFUL,BECAUSE HIS LOVE IS IN THE WAY.

1)COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

2)COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

3)COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

4)COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

5) COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

6) COULD NOT FIND IT IN SCRIPTURES

7) NO WAKEUP I DO NOT SAY THAT I SAID GOD IS LOVE ,RIGHTEOUS,JUST, TRUTHFUL, HOLY,LIVES AND PRODUCE THE TRUTH ,

THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ABLE AND WILLING ,

February 17, 2014 at 4:03 pm#371355

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 20 2014,11:59)

What is everyone's thoughts on God knowing the future.

I used to believe that God foreknew everything

I'm currently evaluating what does scripture teach us, does God know with absolute certainty the details of the future or can He with certainty proclaim an outcome based on His power, and His wisdom to move the pieces on the board (so to speak) to arrive at His desired conclusion.

Please show any scripture(s) that should be considered that I may have missed?

Thanks,
Wm

Hi William:

I say that God has fore-seen every thing from creation to eternity. If not tell me how he knows the following:

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Mat 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Amo 4:13
For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.

However, God has created all rational creatures with “a free will”, and so, although His desire is that all men be saved through unbelief. He has fore-seen:

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Jhn 6:64

But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Jhn 6:65

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Love in Christ,
Marty

February 18, 2014 at 4:56 pm#371399

GeneBalthrop

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Marty………….Show ONE Scripture that says “GOD CREATED ALL RATIONAL CREATURES WITH a “FREEWILL”. Please Post it if it is said like that in any scripture. If God created and want us with a “so-called” Will that is FREE, then why does he “COMMAND” anything , why not just ask us instead if we will do this or that, The TEN, if you WILL OBEYS, seeing it is our own so-called Freewill, that matters to HIM.

Why tell Adam and Eve if they so much as touched the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil they would die, if God gave them “FREEWILL” then why did he even “COMMAND” them not to eat of it , after all he wanted their WILLS to be FREE, because they were “RATIONAL” Beings Right?

If a Will was truly FREE, it would not be a WILL, in the first place, and it certainly could not have been influenced by Satan, if indeed it was “FREE” , No will is FREE of influences, in fact all WILLS are CAPTIVATED by our THOUGHTS , and therefore NOT FREE at all, even though God grants us LIBERTY to “EXERCISE” our “CAPTIVATED” WILLS> They are far from being FREE THEMSELVES. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

February 18, 2014 at 5:18 pm#371400

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 15 2014,05:50)

I KILL AND MAKE ALIVE.
I CREATED THE DESTROYER TO DESTROY.
I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS.
I CREATE LIGHT AND DARKNESS.
I CREATE EVIL.
IS THERE EVIL IN A CITY AND I DID NOT DO IT?

TERRA SAID NO; YOU *CAN NOT* DO IT GOD.
GOD IS IMPOTENT IN THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE.
HE CAN NOT HANDLE KILLING HIS CREATION.
HIS LOVE IMPEDES HIM FROM DOING EVIL.
HIS LOVE LIMITS HIM FROM DOING THOSE THINGS.
HE CAN NOT DO EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE.
GOD IS NOT ALL POWERFUL,BECAUSE HIS LOVE IS IN THE WAY.

Wakeup…….The can not stand that GOD the FATHER is SOVEREIGN in ALL THINGS. They have, a “hip pocket”, God that fits into their own way of thinking, They ascribe to God only the way they want him to Be that sanctifies them. But as you have shown scripture shows a all Powerful God who Does all things after the Council of his Own WILL , not the Wills of Man or Angels or any other Creature in existences.

They could even see this in scriptures easily, Like when Jesus said Glorify Thyself, and what was the Divine answer from heaven, I BOTH HAVE AND WILL That my friend shows the SOVEREIGNTY of our GOD.

Scripture also says there is Both goodness and SEVERITY with GOD. many blind there eyes, and see only the goodness, but forget the severity. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

February 18, 2014 at 6:05 pm#371402

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 18 2014,21:56)

peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

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No will is FREE of influences, in fact all WILLS are CAPTIVATED by our THOUGHTS

this is true ,either you thinking in righteousness or in wickedness ,those are the two options,

one brings life and the other brings dead, so chose life over dead ,

our hearts are full of the things we have desired the most and so lead us either to life or to dead ,

in time we all be judge for the things we thought to be true but was not ,but also for the reasons that we were influenced to go after them in the first place ,

it is also the same for the good in our hearts ,and do the things that we thought were good and the reasons for them in the first place ,

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and yes Gene ,Adam and Eve were rational people ,so are we ,so are all humans beings, see how they can think ;ww1/ww2/ to mention only two ,

the fact that they have fallen into the pit of deceit and obtain in exchange A KNOWLEDGE what in fact seems to be ending up as a can of worm ,was the wrong choice is 'n it

but that choice was theirs and no others ,they could have refused to listen to the voice of deceit and listen to the voice of God of truth ,BUT THEY CHOSE DECEIT INSTEAD AND HERE WE ARE NOW ,WITH THE ONLY HOPE ALSO BEFORE US “CHRIST “

Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

IT SEEMS THE “TREE OF GOOD AND WRONG ” STRAIT BACK IN FRONT OF US ALL

February 18, 2014 at 9:44 pm#371409

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Marty,
Are those scriptures a proclamation of a future event foreseen, or are they statements of a God whose character, knowledge, and power will bring them to pass.

Just searching for truth – Wm

February 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm#371413

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Seeking truth, I believe that maybe God knows all things in so much of a way that He just knows the outcome before it happens, much like we would know the result of walking in front of a car before it happens. But with his people, he definitely knows them, and knows all that will happen because he loved them before the foundation of the world, with so much love that time cannot contain it, if that makes sense :0)

Just my momentary thoughts, right or wrong. Take care.

February 18, 2014 at 10:09 pm#371414

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Luke 12:7 'Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered.'

February 19, 2014 at 4:13 am#371430

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2besee,
It shows that God is all knowing (at least for some of us He has to keep a running total that changes daily). The question I'm asking is beyond an educated guess does God know my actual total for this coming Sunday?

February 19, 2014 at 5:33 am#371435

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 19 2014,16:13)

Seeking truth: If you mean 'does God know exactly how many hairs you will have on your head this Saturday' '…. God would know if you will be dead or alive this Saturday – do you agree? Not sure about the hair count though! But we could not imagine how much knowledge God has.

'beyond an educated guess'? Maybe God's love is beyond our human knowledge!

February 19, 2014 at 5:35 am#371436

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Apologies double posted the same post again somehow.?

February 19, 2014 at 5:42 am#371437

Lightenup

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Hi Wm,
These verses talk about things happening that had not come to God's mind:

Jer 19:5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind;

Jer 7:31 “They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, and it did not come into My mind.

Jer 32:35 “They built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-hinnom to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I had not commanded them nor had it entered My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

It seems to me to be clear that there are some things that were not in God's mind that would be done. What do you think of these verses? Had you considered them before?

February 19, 2014 at 6:09 am#371438

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 19 2014,10:33)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 19 2014,16:13)

'beyond an educated guess'? Maybe God's love is beyond our human knowledge!

2bee

If God created us would you not expect him to know all of what we were made of??? Of cause he would,

But God has also 200000000 angel being at his service ,and they see the face of God daily ,

And sins it is his will that will be done ,with no one able to stop him then why would God be concern with the common things of our lives ,those things are to be expected ,

The things what are not to be expected that we do those are watched and also what wicked people does against the righteous and the weak ones like the children,the elderly,widows abuses ,

February 19, 2014 at 7:54 am#371440

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T, yes I agree.
But I think Deja Vu and dreams of our future which some people have, Christians, shows us that God knows everything that happens before it happens, and prophecies which come to pass exactly as God foretold them.

Anyway, T, and Seektruth, I need to go now, just passing thoughts.

Take care.

February 19, 2014 at 11:38 am#371442

Wakeup

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Isaiah 46:10 ***Declaring the end from the beginning***, and from ancient times the things **that are not yet done**, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 48:3 **I have declared the former things from the beginning**; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, **and they came to pass**.

Isaiah 48:5 I have even **from the beginning declared it to thee**; **before it came to pass I shewed it thee**: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

wakeup.

February 19, 2014 at 5:17 pm#371450

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Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2014,16:38)

Isaiah 46:10 ***Declaring the end from the beginning***, and from ancient times the things **that are not yet done**, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 48:3 **I have declared the former things from the beginning**; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, **and they came to pass**.

wakeup.

yes God KNOWS and so does not need to look ahead,he declares what comes ahead big difference ,

does God knows the future ? of cause he does he cause the future to be what it is ,

this is how we know God is the true God

February 19, 2014 at 5:39 pm#371453

Wakeup

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2014,03:17)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2014,16:38)

Isaiah 46:10 ***Declaring the end from the beginning***, and from ancient times the things **that are not yet done**, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 48:3 **I have declared the former things from the beginning**; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, **and they came to pass**.

wakeup.

yes God KNOWS and so does not need to look ahead,he declares what comes ahead big difference ,

does God knows the future ? of cause he does he cause the future to be what it is ,

this is how we know God is the true God

Stop beating about the bush.

Do you agree with those scriptures or dont you?

wakeup.

February 19, 2014 at 7:24 pm#371457

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I love the movie “Paycheck” (how many films have the engineer as the hero). SPOILER ALERT the hero worked out solutions through unlikely scenario by seeing the results of a possible course of action (seeing the future). However it would seem far more impressive if a being can proclaim an outcome trusting in His ability to work at a handicap in His enemies camp, yet bring about His will.

As I've said before I'm searching for what scripture states, I know that many scriptures are taken to state God knows the future but they can also be interpreted as His proclamation of an outcome, based on His abilities.

My thoughts – Wm

February 19, 2014 at 7:35 pm#371458