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LU,
I anticipate that human bodies will be freed from corruption and still house the human soul and spirit that were housed in them before they changed.
After all, Scripture testifies that the creature will be freed from corruption.
LU…….please post a single scripture that says there are spirit “BODIES” of any kind, IF you cant find it, then you are speculating with no scripture back up. The word “spritual” body, does not mean “spirit body ” either, many presume it is saying that, when in fact it is not.
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Kerwin…….The word God has only one meaning, but that meaning can apply to lots of things. The original word for GOD, WAS WRITTEN IN A Hebrew “PICTORAL” LANGUAGE similar to the EGYPTIAN hyroglific language, the ANCIENT HEBREW symbolic picture for GOD, was the head of an OX (representing power) with a Sheppards staff leaning toward it, (representing what they leaned toward for support) so the word God simply means the “power” which people “trust”, or lean on for support, that can apply to any thing.
That description can fit any thing in existence, but to us true believers, we as Jesus, only believe in “ONE” and only ONE “TRUE” GOD, all others are fake GOD’S, to us that is. IMO.
peave and love to you and yours. ………………gene
Gene,
It is God who chooses to call others gods and if he meant fake gods then he would either say it or imply it. I am not one to dispute with him. There is one God that is worthy of worship. He is the only one of his kind even though others may be called God they not of his kind though they may pretend to be.
All I know is that God uses the word god to label certain people as either being like him in true holiness and righteousness or being credited as such. He also calls his angels gods though that may be because they have more power than humanity as the word god is used in that sense as well. The word god when in reference to God himself means all that is Yawheh.
From my observations, some here believe God created others of his kind. They believe these others are lesser or equal members of the same kind as Jehovah is though the Christology might differ in the details.
Of all those that have possibly been called God/god in scripture, how many of them have dominion over all creation for ever and ever? Can you identify them?
Is this your testimony
1 Corinthians 15:47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
LU,
Scripture shows us that angels both eat and can be touched so they have a physical body. They appear like human beings so it appears indistinguishable from the human body. It also seems to show us physically their body feels no different from a human beings. We are not told what there body is composed of so all we can do is speculate.
I believe that we are made in their likeness and in God’s image.
LU,
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Manuscripts disagree on the words of that verse.
1 Corinthians 15:47New English Translation (NET Bible)
47 The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
I know what Paul is speaking of as the physical is created first and then the spiritual. Adam was not created in the image of God and then created from the earth. He was first created from the earth and then created in the image of God just as Scripture testifies.
Jesus was made a man with both a earthly and a heavenly side as all men are given for do you not believe that man is made from both the earth and from the very breath of God. I certainly do.
LU,
Of all those that have possibly been called God/god in scripture, how many of them have dominion over all creation for ever and ever? Can you identify them?
You question is based on an erroneous assumption. A human being that was made king of all things in heaven and on earth is still not the one true God. He would be called a god because of his power since a king whose territory is vastly smaller in extent is called a god. According to Scripture a time will come when Jesus gives that all up so that God is all in all.
@kerwin
So is that a no…this verse, as translated is not your confession?The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
@kerwin
you said:We are not told what there body is composed of so all we can do is speculate.
Is it reasonable to assume that their bodies are significantly different than humans although similar in some ways?
Do you believe this:
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.LU,
1 Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.This is another controversial passage that varies between manuscripts.
1 Timothy 3:16New English Translation (NET Bible)
16 And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation:
He was revealed in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.Scripture teaches me that God lives in believers through his Spirit and Jesus stated the Father is in him so it follows that God also lives in him by the Spirit. God is righteous and does not need to be either justified or vindicated by the Spirit. Jesus was declared righteous by the Spirit for even though he was tempted even as we are he did not sin. Everything is seen by angels but Jesus was also seen by messengers, those same messengers were instructed to proclaim him Christ among the Gentiles and believed on in the world. He was taken up by those who believed. He was also taken up into heaven.
LU,
Is it reasonable to assume that their bodies are significantly different than humans although similar in some ways?
They are not human kind so their bodies are not human bodies.
LU,
@kerwin
So is that a no…this verse, as translated is not your confession?The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Are you asking me if I believe the manuscripts these words are translated from are more accurate to the original words than those that instead say “The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven. ” then I am going to with the earlier manuscripts as many experts do today. The translators of the NET one group of such experts to do so.
then I am going to with the earlier manuscripts as many experts do today. The translators of the NET one group of such experts to do so.
Kerwin
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Lu……Yes i do believe angels have physical bodies, after all why do they eat manna which is called angels food in scripture if the did not have bodies to maintain? Who would need food for a “spirit body”, as some assume they have, it takes food to sustain physical bodies of any kind, spirits do not need food, they need bodies to live in.
People get the wrong idea from scripture that says, “God creates or makes his angels spirits, which simly means God makes their spirits they have in them, just as he makes our spirits we have in us, That scripture in Hebrews is not saying, God makes his angels spirit beings, but that God makes there spirits they have in them and sends them out to do his will. That scripture is not talking about their bodies at all, just the spirits theyhave in them. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene,
People get the wrong idea from scripture that says, “God creates or makes his angels spirits, which simly means God makes their spirits they have in them, just as he makes our spirits we have in us,
I actually believe that is a mistranslation of that passage as it is not consistent with the second part if the verse which is also speaking angels but calls them servants instead of messengers.
Psalm 104:4World English Bible (WEB)
4 He makes his messengers[a] winds;
his servants flames of fire.
Footnotes:Psalm 104:4 or, angels
With this translation both sides can be seen to be angels when it is later quoted in Scripture and the word winds symbolizes speed which is desired from a messenger while the words “flames of fire” symbolizes zeal which is desired from a servant.
Angels does not make sense as both the messengers and servants are angels. Spirits is a possibility though it symbolizes a different idea than winds. Winds seems a better choice than spirit as speed is so desired in messengers.
Isaiah 31:3 is another verse where translators make the same type error with the Hebrew word that can mean either wind or spirit. Like messengers, horses are desired by for speed. The Egyptian horses at that time must have been known for their speed.
My understanding is based on the “as fast as the wind” simile.
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