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Irene,
What does, 'the Spirit, not the letter' mean in 1Cor3:6?
The 'letter' is like the flesh, restrictive, harse, terse, strict.
The 'Spirit', is free, unrestricted, itis loving and encompassing…
The letter is the law, the body of the comnandments of man. It stops people doing things. The law says, you must not' or 'you must'…no ifor buts…
The 'Spirit' of the law says, 'you may', 'you might', 'you could'…you have the choice…
So it is with flesh and Spirit.
Angels, Spirits are free to go where they will in the heavens and on the earth…i mean anywhere, whether mountain top, sea bottom, firey volcano, gaseous planet, inside the very Sun itself…why? Because they are Spirits….can Man do that…no, because he is flesh.But what is even better….well, a hybrid, a Spirit Man…enjoying both the binding terse stiffness of flesh and the freedom of the Spirit,
Well, Irene, this is the new creation starting with Jesus Christ.
So, before Jesus Christ, raised up into the new creation, there was no such thing as a 'Spirit body'.
So the thread topic 'Do Spirits have bodies'…do Angels have bodies? No, they do not.
Is there such a thing as a 'Spirit body'…yes, when Jesus was raised up, and others of nankind to follow.
Ha Terra,
I knew you were playing a game…
When i offer to answer your none existent question you run a mile…you are trying to set me up.
I really mean this, 'May God rebuke you'.
And Terra, if you don't tremble at that then you are stronger than Satan, or more senseless, for even Satam would tremble at being rebuked by God.
Nothing in your posts make any sense… Maybe you are rebuked already and your empty posts that has got everyone except your equally deluded colleagues in this forum flummoxed, is testament to what can happen when Goc rebukes someone.
What questions have you asked me to answer that when i seek to answer them you cannot produce them?
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,10:11) I notice that the originator of the falsehood concerning 'spirits with bodies' is strangely absent from professing and hammering
JA,Why do you say things like this and then ignore my posts?
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,11:58) What questions have you asked me to answer that when i seek to answer them you cannot produce them?
These are the questions to which Pierre refers, JA.POINT #1: The Nephilim were the offspring of angels and humans………True or False?
POINT #2: Adapted means “suited” JA. It isn't necessarily an action of “adapting” TO things. God gave fish a body that was ADAPTED TO, or SUITED TO living in the water. God gave mankind a body that was ADAPTED TO, or SUITED TO living on planet earth. And God gave angels a body that was ADAPTED TO, or SUITED TO living in heaven. Do you now understand that “adapted” means “suited” JA? YES or NO? (Suited is a synonym for adapted, if that helps)
mike
Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 10 2010,06:18) No, Jesus was more unique than that, He was raised in a spiritual body of flesh. Are there any here who believe Jesus is now only Spirit ? No Jesus is still raised flesh, a new creation. And will return in like manner.
“Handle me, and see;” Jesus told them, “for a spirit hath not flesh and bones,
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore” (Revelation 1:18).1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits
So it seems anyone who says Jesus is not still in the flesh is a deceiver according to the Bible.
Shimmer…………You have it right, Jesus is and always was a flesh being, He had came into existence in the Flesh and rose from the grave in the flesh and will return in the flesh also. People who are separating Jesus from our flesh existence are indeed Antichrists. As John said.If we do not attain unto a resurrection of a Flesh spirit activated body we simply will no longer exist. It was crucial for Jesus to be raised in a flesh Body to continue to live, it is the same with us also. Had Jesus not attained unto a resurrection he still would have been (DEAD)> IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,18:58) Ha Terra, I knew you were playing a game…
When i offer to answer your none existent question you run a mile…you are trying to set me up.
I really mean this, 'May God rebuke you'.
And Terra, if you don't tremble at that then you are stronger than Satan, or more senseless, for even Satam would tremble at being rebuked by God.
Nothing in your posts make any sense… Maybe you are rebuked already and your empty posts that has got everyone except your equally deluded colleagues in this forum flummoxed, is testament to what can happen when Goc rebukes someone.
What questions have you asked me to answer that when i seek to answer them you cannot produce them?
JAit was the two question Mike was asking,because the answer to them are of interest to me,
i have followed you many times but lately you have gone to
..///,,;;;\\\and wen a person becomes aggressive he has lost is sense of godly directions
JA I have not forgotten the good exchange we ad a year ago,this is why i am disturb at your postings,
and JA I do not fear anyone but God so I stay close to Him.
Pierre
Ja…………Spirits do not have Bodies as you say but an Angels do have bodies with Spirit (IN) them and that Spirit (IN) them is Created BY GOD and They are sent out to minister to the Saints. They can be seen and have been seen they can eat walk and do everything we can. GOD can at any time open our eyes to see them and what we see will have a bodies as they alway have had bodies. Spirit does not have a body Spirit lives (IN) bodies. ” Believe you not that the FATHER (IS) (IN) ME” Jesus said , do you truly believe God the FATHER was IN DEED (IN) Jesus JA. If so How was he in Him by his spirit right , He the fullness of him tabernacled in Jesus' BODY With HIM. GOD considers our bodies (TEMPLES) in which he can indwell. Remember , when he spoke through Jesus' mouth, “DESTROY THIS TEMPLE AND IN THREE DAYS (I) (God) SHALL RAISE IT UP. The (I) ther was GOD JA not Jesus as some persume it to have been. JA that was GOD the FATHER First PERSON speaking through Jesus' mouth. GOD WILL BE IN US ALL AND THROUGH US ALL by HIS SPIIT> IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………gene
Mikeboll,
You are something from under the earth, unused to sunlight.Why on earth are you asking me to 'agree that Paul is talking about'
I have outlined…verse by verse everything that Paul is talking about in 1Corry15.
Yet, like Terra, you ask me to agree that which i have been posting from the beginning and throughtout.
Paul says, 'they ask, what bodies will they be raised up in'
Paul calls them, foolish ones, because they think they will rise in the same fleshly bodies they were buried in.
Paul then shows by analogy that they will not be raised in the same corruptible body but in incorruptible 'spirit bodies', 'everlasting spirit bodies'.Now, these 'Spirit bodies' are not the same as Angels for Angels are not man.
Jesus was an Angelic FORM in heaven but took the fleshly form of Man…Jesus did not go BACK to Angelic Form, but to the 'Perfected Form of a New Creation', the 'hybrid' Man in Spirit Form…'the Begotten Son', the 'True Son of God' (and much more to say on that to come), the 'Everlasting Son of God'…and Jesus is the firstfruit of this creation and others to follow in this model, as shown in Ephesian 4:22-24, '…put of the old man in flesh and put on the new man in Spirit which God created in righteousness and Holiness', and 1Cor15:23, Jesus, the firstfruit, and then afterwards, those who are Christ's at his coming.
It is hard to keep to the topic of 'Spiritual bodies' because there is nothing to talk about…searching the Scriptures reveals nothing to bite on…because other than man coming into a new creation, it is taken for granted that every one, except Mikeboll, Terrarica and Baker, knows that Spirits can't have bodies…indeed, that is exacty WHY they are called 'Spirits'.Mike, i hope this answers you single question' cos i'd love to hear what else you have on this topic….
Terra,
You see you are out of sorts….
It is God is was saying you shoukd fear….What IS wrong with you?
You make it seem like i was talking that you should fear someone else…i said, 'May GOD rebuke you'.
It is easy for anyone to say, 'I follow God', the thing is, 'Does God show himself by His Spirit to you…following Him'?
Terra, you still don't show me what questions you want me to answer…!
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 09 2010,16:58) Does the thought gave a body? No. The thought is embodied in the body…the Spirit (Thought) is embodied in the body to help actuate it, animate it. Kill the body, destroy the body…the spirit is still there but unable to act…it has no body to actuate.
Remove the Spirit from the Spirit from the body and the body is dead, cannot be actuated, unless a Spirit is returned to it before the body decays to an unsustainable level.So, Spirit, like thought, like the wind, like power…has no body…it must be out into a body …in the physical world.
Outside of the physical world it is free to go where it will.
JA……….This you have right , Spirit doe not have a Body, But Angels are BEINGS that have BODIES with SPIRIT (IN) them.Spirit is indeed Thought that composes ones intellect, it is expressed in words we use and GOD uses, it does not now or ever did have a BODY, it is what is (IN) a BODY. In fact we are more like computers them people realize Our drives or minds can be altered and changed by the Master programmer the Creator GOD any time He Choses to. “FREE WILLER'S” FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE AND COMPREHEND. They like to think they are the captains of their destinies the CAPTAIN of THEIR SHIPS>
peace and love…………………………………gene
Quote (Shimmer @ 1) JA all things were created through the Word/Logos which became Jesus. All things were created through Him it say's. Then the Word/Logos was made flesh.
Bravo! Good for you for believing scripture over JA!
Quote (Shimmer @ 2) Spirit has no body as Jesus pointed out to the Disciples.
Jesus said no such thing anywhere in the Bible Shimmer. Jesus said that spirits don't have FLESH AND BONE. That in no stretch of the imagination can be taken to say that spirits don't have bodies, Shimmer. Why would a spirit being's body be made up of human flesh and human bone?Quote (Shimmer @ 3) Angels could have form we don't know that. It would be different from us though. Not a body as we have.
You just said the same thing that I just said! Angels would not have a body like ours, consisting of flesh and bones, would they? Paul said to every “seed”, God gives it's own kind of body. As those of earth have earthly bodies, those of heaven have heavenly bodies. This is what scripture teaches us.Quote (Shimmer @ 4) JA is telling the truth.
About what?Quote (Shimmer @ 5) Are there any here who believe Jesus is now only Spirit ? No Jesus is still raised flesh, a new creation.
Yes. I believe Jesus is now a life giving SPIRIT. I believe it because scripture says it.1 Corinthians 15 NIV
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Shimmer, Jesus was “raised” as flesh. “Raised” from the dead, that is. Then he remained on earth as flesh for 40 days. THEN he ascended to where he was before, right before the eyes of the disciples. THEN, Stephen saw him in heaven at the right hand of his God. If God is in “the Kingdom of God”, then Jesus can't possibly still be flesh. Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, Shimmer. And because Jesus is where God is right now. So either Jesus is NOT flesh anymore, or God and Jesus are NOT in “the Kingdom of God”.
Quote (Shimmer @ 6) 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
This is the scripture I was talking about last night, Shimmer. Anyone claiming to be led by spirit yet still contradicting scripture is not being led by God's spirit.Quote (Shimmer @ 7) So it seems anyone who says Jesus is not still in the flesh is a deceiver according to the Bible.
That is not at all what those scriptures are saying Shimmer. They are addressed towards those who claim the Messiah had not come at all. They say nothing about Jesus STILL being flesh, only that we must believe that God's only begotten Son and Christ DID come in the flesh.peace and love,
mikeQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,12:37) Paul then shows by analogy that they will not be raised in the same corruptible body but in incorruptible 'spirit bodies', 'everlasting spirit bodies'.
Very good. You actually answered a question and we have found some common ground.Now, follow the scripture here. I'm going to make many points, but I'll post them one at a time, okay?
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Do you read here that Jesus became a “man/spirit” thingy? I don't. I read that Jesus became a SPIRIT.
mike
MIke…………Please show us where Jesus ever changed from a Physical “body” to a so called Spirit “Body” them , where is that actually recorded in Scripture or is that just another of your suppositions again. You can”t show not one Being existing without a Body except GOD and that is a fact Jack. If so Produce it. When Elijah was taken up in a Chariot into heaven did he have a Body, when Jesus left the earth did he have a body, When Jesus and Peter walked on water did they have a Body, Did GOD say Adam and Eve Could live for ever and not die if they had eaten of the Tree of Life that was in the garden while in there flesh bodies? Mike you have no idea what you are saying here on this subject. IMO
peace and love………………………………gene
Mikeboll,
You are a raging bull, a virtual mindless animal of a sort…Here is a thing…
Do you ever believe that you are going to ask questions of which i'm expected to just answer 'Yes or No'.Mikeboll, only an idiot would reply to you in that way.
You can get anyone to say anything you want them to say by that means. Where did you learn that childish tactic? From an introduction to debating for two year olds? “How to bin friends distance them”?
I answered your first question many times….as always, typical Mikeboll tries to make people say what he wants them to say using a childish 'you must answer 'yes or no' else i deem you haven't answered' ploy.
Mikeboll, i said that the Angels took on human form and mated with human women.
Can the world see here that I answered Mikeboll's question?
Angels are Spirits. They don't have bodies to unite with humans. They would have to 'create' a humanlike body before mating with human women.
How does a Spirit creature mate with a human? It cannot do an 'immaculate conception' like the Holy Spirit did with Mary because the Angel cannot 'give life'. Life is directly from God (Creation), or reproduction through flesh (Procreation) and Angels cannot procreate (Nor 'create' life), so they would have had to create…a humanlike body, then put their own Spirit into it to animate it.
They would have to leave the Spirit realm to embody themselves into the flesh…meaning….they could no longer be able to be in many places at the same time but in only one place at one time in the humanlike body…Adapted….Mike…you worry me, …
When you can't win anargument you go all round the houses and try to come in at a different doorway.Why have you changed the word from 'Adapted' to 'suited'.
Do you not know that every word that seems similar (Similles or Sudonyms) has a slightly different meaning….keep going Mike….try finding a sudonym for 'suited'….'Have a matching Jacket and pants'…
So, fish have on matching Jacket and pants in the sea. God made birds with matching jacket and pants for flying through the air, ooh, “Birds in Black” Ravens, blackbirds, Jackdaws. “Black and white Minsterals” how many you see at the same time 'one for sorrow, two for Joy, three [you gonna have] a girl, and four [you gonna have] a girl….five for silver six for gold..seven for a story never should be told….eight,….''Why we debating words….Adapted means 'made suited to'….you don't just swap words Mike, you need the context to maintain the meaning of the word if you are going to swap it.
The chair was adapted for use byt he disabled person.
The chair was suited for the use by the disabled person. No, it wasn't 'suited' for by that person (only in a sloppy, slovenly English language way) it was 'made suited', 'changed in parts', 'Adapted', 'altered in parts'
See Mike, if you going to change the word you need to change the context.If you say, 'adapted' means 'changed' then how does the sentence read and does it still mean the same thing.
So, mike, are you questions answered?
Mike, what bodies did the Angels have thatAnd Terra, what was fascinating you in these silly questions?
The chair was 'changed' for the disabled person.
Mike, now you have ambiguity….Was the chair 'swapped'….ha, another word….we keep moving…for another, or was it 'changed in part'….see , someone reading the latter sentence has no idea….
All this from a simple sentence that said, 'the chair was Adapted for use by the disabled person'.Mike, what bodies (….where does it say anywhere that that Angels have bodies…) did the Angels have that God 'Adapted them' to exist in the heavenly realm…where were they adapted from….seeing that they were directly created …….not adapted….before there was any other environment to first create them in, then adapt them to heaven.
And Terra, what was fascinating about these two questions?
Mike,
Are you a kindergarten teacher.
Or are you doing this nonesense because you can only read one line at a time…..
Ok, kinddyboy…let me indulge you….
(This is going to make me sick)
I read that Jesus became a life giving Spirit (and remained being Man) so, Yes, Spirit/Man.
(oh boy, I've said this so many times, why is he asking me if i see it…duh!!!)
Mike, i dont have time for your stupid kindergarten approach. I'm an adult, not a child.
Just write out whatever it is you wanna say and i'll answer without insults (…but boy do you set yourself up for them?)
JA
you say;And Terra, what was fascinating about these two questions?
it specialy the one about the nephilim
Pierre
500 words of smack talking just to answer one simple question. Well, hey! At least you're answering the questions now!
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,13:56) I read that Jesus became a life giving Spirit (and remained being Man) so, Yes, Spirit/Man.
Okay. Do you read that in just that ONE scripture? Or are you adding other scriptures in to gain that complete understanding?Please share all of the other scriptures that say Jesus is still a man. I seriously only know of one – the mediator one. Are there more scriptures that one can take to mean that Jesus is still a man?
mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,14:00) Mike, i dont have time for your stupid kindergarten approach. I'm an adult, not a child. Just write out whatever it is you wanna say and i'll answer without insults (…but boy do you set yourself up for them?)
We'll do it a point at a time or we won't do it at all. I'm okay with it either way. So you decide if you want to get to the heart of the matter and prove me wrong, or just keep posting fluff.What are you afraid of JA? Are you afraid that if your “great intellectual” points are analyzed individually, they won't seem that “great” after all?
Is that why you rebel at taking your thoughts one point at a time?mike
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,13:49) Adapted….Mike…you worry me, …
When you can't win anargument you go all round the houses and try to come in at a different doorway.Why have you changed the word from 'Adapted' to 'suited'.
I'm simply trying to educate you JA. You seem to think that the word “adapted” ONLY refers to something BEING ADAPTED from one thing to another. That is not the case at all, and I wanted you to know that.God created fish with a body that already WAS ADAPTED to living in water. You see? The fish didn't “adapt” a different kind of body. They already have a body THAT IS ADAPTED to living in water.
Do you get it now?
mike
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