Do spirits have bodies?

[mikeboll64]

Kar, ask yourself this:  JA disagrees with the trinity doctrine.  I'm battling this doctrine left and right in many threads right now.  Where are his posts of SUPPORT to me in those threads?  There are none, and you know why?

Because JA thinks he is superior to everyone on this site, and cannot bring himself to support me, because I had the audacity to disagree with him on some subjects.

So instead of SUPPORTING me on points we BOTH agree about, he would rather have you resurrect this dead thread in a failed effort to prove me wrong on a subject that that he himself is wrong about.

Think about it, Kar.

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2011,09:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2011,05:37) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,20:06) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2011,19:24) as for the body there is plenty said about it ,so we start over again ,not for me. I'm with you on this one, Pierre. We've been down this road for 213 pages now.  On a topic that should have lasted 2 pages.   Kar is quoting posts from JA as a favor to him.  I have no problem with this, for she apparently edits out the hateful parts.  So these last two quotes are from him, not her. But I've grown tired of discussing this topic also. peace and love to all, mike Mike yeah in some of those topics we going back and forth , Pierre   Yeah Pierre, The “poll” is closed on this one.  Everybody on HN who contributed to this thread has agreed that angels have bodies……….except for Kar and JA. But even Kar says they have a “form”, whatever that means. So JA stands alone on this one.  I guess sometimes it IS lonely at the top. mike

Mike

could you see Paul in Corinth congregation ?

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Yeah!  

He was dealing with many like JA, so he had to “dumb it down” for them.  Milk instead of solid food.

He started by teaching that God gives a body to EVERYTHING.  Then points out that all those bodies are not the same kind.  Then teaches that people of earth have bodies adapted to living on the earth.  Then points to the visible things in heaven to show the difference between the bodies things in heaven have and the bodies things on earth have.

Then he goes as far as contrasting the natural bodies of those on earth with the spiritual bodies of those in heaven.  

He emphasizes this point by teaching that the first Adam was of the earth and a man, so therefore had a natural earthly body, like those who live on the earth.

But the last Adam, who is now a spirit, therefore has a spiritual heavenly body, like those who live in heaven.

I don't think it's really that hard of a teaching, do you?

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2011,12:29)

Yeah!   He was dealing with many like JA, so he had to “dumb it down” for them.  Milk instead of solid food. He started by teaching that God gives a body to EVERYTHING.  Then points out that all those bodies are not the same kind.  Then teaches that people of earth have bodies adapted to living on the earth.  Then points to the visible things in heaven to show the difference between the bodies things in heaven have and the bodies things on earth have. Then he goes as far as contrasting the natural bodies of those on earth with the spiritual bodies of those in heaven.   He emphasizes this point by teaching that the first Adam was of the earth and a man, so therefore had a natural earthly body, like those who live on the earth. But the last Adam, who is now a spirit, therefore has a spiritual heavenly body, like those who live in heaven. I don't think it's really that hard of a teaching, do you? mike

Mike

no ,it is clear to the truth of God and true believers i guess,

others do not see it ,just as in Paul time.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

I apologize for my “dumb it down” statement. It was uncalled for.

mike

[karmarie]

Yeah Mike but I did prove a point, that way back on page 62, people were asking you to close the topic! But you did keep it going. So stop blaming others!

The body that Paul is talking about is the ressurected body.

Not the Father nor Angels.

These two things arent mentioned anywhere there. Its specifically talking about the ressurection.

Do Angels have a form you ask? I dont know Mike.

Let me quote someone from pages back, I think this is the link;

http://bible.org/seriespage/god-spirit

“It is difficult for us to grasp this truth since our spirits live in physical bodies and our physical bodies inhabit a physical universe. Our occupation with the physical makes us try to put our relationship with God into that same realm…..

The major thing we learn about God as spirit is that He is immaterial. By that we do not mean He is insignificant or unimportant, but rather, incorporeal. He does not have a body. Jesus reaffirmed that fact to His frightened disciples shortly after the resurrection. When He entered the room in His glorified body they thought they had seen a spirit. He calmed them by saying, “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). Spirits do not have bodies.

This seems to present a problem, however, since Scripture does refer to God at times as though He has a body. For example, it mentions His hand and His ear (Isaiah 59:1), His eye (2 Chronicles 16:9), and His mouth (Matthew 4:4). Theologians call these anthropomorphisms, a word meaning “human form.” They are symbolic representations used to make God’s actions more understandable to our finite minds. But God has no material substance and He is not dependent on any material thing. He dwells in the realm of spirit.”

God is everywhere….

…the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him.
—2 Chr. 2:6

Where could I go to escape your spirit?
Where could I flee from your presence?
If I climb the heavens, you are there,
there too, if I lie in Sheol.
If I flew to the point of sunrise, or westward across the sea
your hand would still be guiding me, your right hand holding me.
—Ps. 139.7-10

[mikeboll64]

Hi Karmarie,

Don't take this the wrong way, but until you or JA have an actual answer to my question about “separation”, I'm done talking about this subject with you two.

peace and love to both of you,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2011,15:02)

Yeah Mike but I did prove a point, that way back on page 62, people were asking you to close the topic! But you did keep it going. So stop blaming others! The body that Paul is talking about is the ressurected body. Not the Father nor Angels. These two things arent mentioned anywhere there. Its specifically talking about the ressurection. Do Angels have a form you ask? I dont know Mike. Let me quote someone from pages back, I think this is the link; http://bible.org/seriespage/god-spirit “It is difficult for us to grasp this truth since our spirits live in physical bodies and our physical bodies inhabit a physical universe. Our occupation with the physical makes us try to put our relationship with God into that same realm….. The major thing we learn about God as spirit is that He is immaterial. By that we do not mean He is insignificant or unimportant, but rather, incorporeal. He does not have a body. Jesus reaffirmed that fact to His frightened disciples shortly after the resurrection. When He entered the room in His glorified body they thought they had seen a spirit. He calmed them by saying, “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). Spirits do not have bodies. This seems to present a problem, however, since Scripture does refer to God at times as though He has a body. For example, it mentions His hand and His ear (Isaiah 59:1), His eye (2 Chronicles 16:9), and His mouth (Matthew 4:4). Theologians call these anthropomorphisms, a word meaning “human form.” They are symbolic representations used to make God’s actions more understandable to our finite minds. But God has no material substance and He is not dependent on any material thing. He dwells in the realm of spirit.” God is everywhere…. …the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him. —2 Chr. 2:6 Where could I go to escape your spirit? Where could I flee from your presence? If I climb the heavens, you are there, there too, if I lie in Sheol. If I flew to the point of sunrise, or westward across the sea your hand would still be guiding me, your right hand holding me. —Ps. 139.7-10

Kar

2Ch 2:5 “The temple I am going to build will be great, because our God is greater than all other gods.
2Ch 2:6 But who is able to build a temple for him, since the heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain him? Who then am I to build a temple for him, except as a place to burn sacrifices before him?

this is your scripture ,wich heaven are we talking about here,to men there are two heaven in this verses,the close heaven and the one be on the first heaven.

as for Gods spirit he is every were with 100,000,000 angels i would be every were too.

wen God talks about his spirit it also include anything living within is will,of holiness. Satan and his angels would not be a part of that .or sinners.

Pierre

[Baker]

Karmaria! Why can't you answer a simple Question? I asked that before too, and got no answer.
In Corinth. it explains it.
1Cr 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

There is a natural body(flesh) and Spiritual body. It does not say that the Spiritual body is flesh. It also says that there are two different bodies. The natural and the Spiritual.
σπείρεται σῶμα ψυχικόν ἐγείρεται σῶμα πνευματικόν ἔστιν σῶμα ψυχικόν καὶ ἔστιν σῶμα πνευματικόν
Paul is making a comparison, of how it is sown and how it will be in the resurrection. Of Jesus and of men….
Peace and Love Irene

[karmarie]

To all, Mike, Terrarica, and Irene,

Lets just drop this whole thing. Mike, cant you lock the thread or something? Because none of us will agree, and we all have our views, and it really doesnt matter to how we live our life, does it?

Anthing that is done should be done with kindness and love. Unless of course its something which warrants righteous anger, such as injustice, war, invasion, mistreatment, child abuse, and so on.

This is stupid IMO. It seems to stir up too many bad feelings, it shouldnt be like that.

Close the thread Mike please?

OK, I will. This thread is finished!

OK?

Good.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2011,10:26)

To all, Mike, Terrarica, and Irene, Lets just drop this whole thing. Mike, cant you lock the thread or something? Because none of us will agree, and we all have our views, and it really doesnt matter to how we live our life, does it? Anthing that is done should be done with kindness and love. Unless of course its something which warrants righteous anger, such as injustice, war, invasion, mistreatment, child abuse, and so on. This is stupid IMO. It seems to stir up too many bad feelings, it shouldnt be like that. Close the thread Mike please? OK, I will. This thread is finished! OK? Good.

Hi Karmarie,

Humans DON'T HAVE RIGHTEOUS ANGER!
That's 'a lie' of the devil! (Col.3:8 / James 2:20)

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath,
malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. (Col.3:8)
James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[karmarie]

Ed, I probably worded that wrong then. You know what I meant. Dont you feel angry when you see things that are wrong?

I do. Even whale killing upsets me. Child abuse. Invasion. Those things.

OK Ed, this thread is finished.

I like those colors by the way Ed.

[Ed J]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2011,11:03)

Ed, I probably worded that wrong then. You know what I meant. Dont you feel angry when you see things that are wrong? I do. Even whale killing upsets me. Child abuse. Invasion. Those things. OK Ed, this thread is finished. I like those colors by the way Ed.

Hi Karmarie,

I completely eliminated anger out of my life!
How many times do I have to tell you this?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Ed,

http://www.kyria.com/topics….16.html

“The writer of Proverbs connects anger with foolishness: “Fools quickly show that they are upset, but the wise ignore insults” (Proverbs 12:16).

And the apostle Paul recommends letting our heavenly Father fight our battles: “My friends, do not try to punish others when they wrong you, but wait for God to punish them with his anger. It is written: 'I will punish those who do wrong; I will repay them,' says the Lord” (Romans 12:19).

Sometimes, however, God allows his people to fuss and remain faithful. Such is the case when King David furrows his brow and huffs:

God, I wish you would kill the wicked!
Get away from me, you murderers!
They say evil things about you.
Your enemies use your name thoughtlessly.
Lord, I hate those who hate you;
I hate those who rise up against you.
I feel only hate for them;
they are my enemies (Psalm 139:19-22).

Or when Nehemiah gets upset after learning about the wealthy Israelites' exploitation of the poor: “Then I was very angry when I had heard …
these words” (Nehemiah 5:6).

What's noteworthy in these situations is that David called down curses on sworn enemies of God, and Nehemiah directed his irritation at the “haves” repressing the “have-nots.” Both men were angry because of ungodly people or activities.

And Jesus expressed anger—at the Pharisees who exhibited such hard hearts (Mark 3:1-5) and at the crass commercialism that sullied the temple (Matthew 21:12-13; Luke 19:45-48)—to convey extreme displeasure over sin. Those reasons are the key to righteous anger.

[Ed J]

Hi Karmarie,

There's no record of Jesus ever getting angry!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[karmarie]

Ed, as we know;

“And Jesus expressed anger—at the Pharisees who exhibited such hard hearts (Mark 3:1-5) and at the crass commercialism that sullied the temple (Matthew 21:12-13; Luke 19:45-48)”

And more. Theres different types of anger. One is for the good, while the other isnt.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 06 2011,08:02)

The major thing we learn about God as spirit is that He is immaterial. By that we do not mean He is insignificant or unimportant, but rather, incorporeal. He does not have a body. Jesus reaffirmed that fact to His frightened disciples shortly after the resurrection. When He entered the room in His glorified body they thought they had seen a spirit. He calmed them by saying, “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). Spirits do not have bodies. This seems to present a problem, however, since Scripture does refer to God at times as though He has a body. For example, it mentions His hand and His ear (Isaiah 59:1), His eye (2 Chronicles 16:9), and His mouth (Matthew 4:4). Theologians call these anthropomorphisms, a word meaning “human form.” They are symbolic representations used to make God’s actions more understandable to our finite minds. But God has no material substance and He is not dependent on any material thing. He dwells in the realm of spirit.”[/color] God is everywhere…. …the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him. —2 Chr. 2:6 Where could I go to escape your spirit? Where could I flee from your presence? If I climb the heavens, you are there, there too, if I lie in Sheol. If I flew to the point of sunrise, or westward across the sea your hand would still be guiding me, your right hand holding me. —Ps. 139.7-10

Karmarie…………..You have posted it right Sis. they just don't understand this Simple truth and even do not believe What Jesus said about spirits himslef. Their ignorance is of their own choosing. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 05 2011,18:16)

Such is the case when King David furrows his brow and huffs:

Good “word picture” Kar. I like that one.

mike

[karmarie]

Hi Gene and Mike. Both of those were quotes from other sources, not my words. Which is why I put the links.

[mikeboll64]

Oh man! I thought I had gotten a glimpse of Karmarie, the writer.

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