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  • #283331
    terraricca
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    BOD

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    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN

    #283332
    shimmer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,17:54)
    Hi BD, altar, NOT alter!

    Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
    the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that YHVH is God.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed. I'm sorry, but:

    Why do you think you are a 'Witness' for God just because there is a Hebrew word in the bible that says 'ED' and means 'Witness'?

    Is your name 'ED' or is it a shortened 'Edward'?

    Moreover, you call yourself 'EDJ' – not 'ED'??

    Are you then the ONLY person who calls THEMSELVES 'ED'?

    #283335
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,16:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,15:54)
    Hi BD, altar, NOT alter!

    Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
    the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that YHVH is God.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    HI ED, Allah, NOT Al-lah

    He is allah in the heavens and in the earth. He knoweth both your secret and your utterance, and He knoweth what ye earn.  
    (  سورة الأنعام  , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #3)

    Is this the right word ED? ALTAR

    ol'-ter (mizbeach, literally, “place of slaughter or sacrifice,” )


    Hi BD,

    Josh 22:26-28 Therefore we said, Let us now prepare to build us an altar, not for burnt offering, nor for sacrifice:
    But that it may be a witness between us, and you, and our generations after us, that we might do the service
    of the LORD before him with our burnt offerings, and with our sacrifices, and with our peace offerings; that
    your children may not say to our children in time to come, Ye have no part in the LORD. Therefore said we,
    that it shall be, when they should so say to us or to our generations in time to come, that we may say again,
    Behold the pattern of the altar of the LORD, which our fathers made, not for burnt offerings, nor for sacrifices;
    but Ed is a witness between us and you.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Witness)

    #283336
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 07 2012,16:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,17:54)
    Hi BD, altar, NOT alter!

    Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
    the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that YHVH is God.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed. I'm sorry, but:

    Why do you think you are a 'Witness' for God just because there is a Hebrew word in the bible that says 'ED' and means 'Witness'?

    Is your name 'ED' or is it a shortened 'Edward'?

    Moreover, you call yourself 'EDJ' – not 'ED'??

    Are you then the ONLY person who calls THEMSELVES 'ED'?


    Hi Shimmer,

    There are many people named Jesus,
    and there are many people named Ed.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

    #283337
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,17:08)

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 07 2012,16:29)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,17:54)
    Hi BD, altar, NOT alter!

    Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
    the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that YHVH is God.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed. I'm sorry, but:

    Why do you think you are a 'Witness' for God just because there is a Hebrew word in the bible that says 'ED' and means 'Witness'?

    Is your name 'ED' or is it a shortened 'Edward'?

    Moreover, you call yourself 'EDJ' – not 'ED'??

    Are you then the ONLY person who calls THEMSELVES 'ED'?


    Hi Shimmer,

    There are many people named Jesus,
    and there are many people named Ed.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Shimmer,

    1Cor.1:21-25 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the
    foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after
    wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
    But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
    Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

    #283399
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,16:26)
    BOD

    Quote
    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN


    That makes no sense do you really think a billion Muslims are running around doing what you say they are? If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    WAKE UP!!!

    #283401
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,17:01)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,16:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2012,15:54)
    Hi BD, altar, NOT alter!

    Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
    the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that YHVH is God.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)


    HI ED, Allah, NOT Al-lah

    He is allah in the heavens and in the earth. He knoweth both your secret and your utterance, and He knoweth what ye earn.  
    (  سورة الأنعام  , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #3)

    Is this the right word ED? ALTAR

    ol'-ter (mizbeach, literally, “place of slaughter or sacrifice,” )


    Hi BD,

    Josh 22:26-28 Therefore we said, Let us now prepare to build us an altar, not for burnt offering, nor for sacrifice:
    But that it may be a witness between us, and you, and our generations after us, that we might do the service
    of the LORD before him with our burnt offerings, and with our sacrifices, and with our peace offerings; that
    your children may not say to our children in time to come, Ye have no part in the LORD. Therefore said we,
    that it shall be, when they should so say to us or to our generations in time to come, that we may say again,
    Behold the pattern of the altar of the LORD, which our fathers made, not for burnt offerings, nor for sacrifices;
    but Ed is a witness between us and you.

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Witness)


    “the Reubenites and the Gadites”

    the Tribe of Reuben and Gad has been counted as one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel

    There witness and them have been long since lost just like their “Altar” ED

    Jesus came to find those lost sheep of Israel and you suggest that Jesu cannot do what you think you are doing.

    The only thing you have done that Jesus did not do is ALTER the name of God

    #283404
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,13:45)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,16:26)
    BOD

    Quote
    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN


    That makes no sense do you really think a billion Muslims are running around doing what you say they are? If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    WAKE UP!!!


    bod

    it make sens to me and to many others,but what you do not like to see you try to ignore ,

    for 60 years the Palestinians have rebelled against Israel they have sacrifice their children and live in a war zone,instead of making peace and live and progress in live but this is only given to the few that are in power and sustain the war,look in Afghanistan,how they are divided and like to subdue women how they live by the rules of the flesh,and so is Pakistan,Iran,and Syria,and Africa nations ,and Chechen,in Russia show me the nation in the Muslim world that treats people with respect ? (let not go with exceptions but in general)

    Quote
    If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    I am totally true

    #283453
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,07:04)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,13:45)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,16:26)
    BOD

    Quote
    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN


    That makes no sense do you really think a billion Muslims are running around doing what you say they are? If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    WAKE UP!!!


    bod

    it make sens to me and to many others,but what you do not like to see you try to ignore ,

    for 60 years the Palestinians have rebelled against Israel they have sacrifice their children and live in a war zone,instead of making peace and live and progress in live but this is only given to the few that are in power and sustain the war,look in Afghanistan,how they are divided and like to subdue women how they live by the rules of the flesh,and so is Pakistan,Iran,and Syria,and Africa nations ,and Chechen,in Russia show me the nation in the Muslim world that treats people with respect ? (let not go with exceptions but in general)

    Quote
    If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    I am totally true


    How can Palestine be rebellious against Israel and they were there before Israel? Israel is claiming Palestinian land and while some cultures may treat people bad you are confusing culture with religion.

    You are totally false. The greatest number of Muslims are indonesia the woman have all the right sof men, also in America plus even in places like Pakistan they have had a woman president not even America has had one yet plus Islam was the first religion to allow women to go to Universities and become doctors and lawyers look around and see for yourself how many Muslim women are becoming professionals in all these fields.

    In America and places like that Pornography and prostitution have been made into rights, Gay Marriage another right and the Christians they are very relaxed they don't want to make a fuss so even the ministers can be gay, You don't understand that fighting is sometimes good you don't care what is going on as long as no one makes too much noise, you just don't want to be disturbed, it's really sad.

    ——————————-

    Muhammad was greatly concerned with women's rights

    The Prophet Muhammad was an extremely successful social reformer as well as spiritual and political leader, who championed the rights of the weak and oppressed. The Qur'anic verses referring to women had the effect of vastly improving the status and rights of women at the time they were revealed. Muslim women were granted the right to own, inherit and dispose of their own property as they saw fit; reject forced marriages; keep their own names and identities after marriage; initiate divorce; and obtain an education – back in the 7th century. In contrast to the dismal situation affecting many women in developing countries today, early Muslim women were noted for their learning and accomplishments. The Prophet declared, 'To seek knowledge is an obligation on every Muslim, male and female,' and his own wife Aisha was responsible for transmitting thousands of his sayings to later generations. Aisha was also renowned for her knowledge of poetry, medicine, and Islamic law, as well as her personal qualities of character and intelligence. When she led a battle after the Prophet's death, no one objected on the grounds that she was a woman. Many Muslim women in the medieval period enjoyed positions of respect as scholars and religious authorities. Therefore, Muslims seeking to improve the position of women in society have usually focused their efforts on getting men (and women) to practice Islam, rather than trying to 'reform' it, as happened with other religions. The main obstacles to Muslim women achieving the rights guaranteed to them, then and now, have been persistent un-Islamic cultural traditions (usually dating to the period before people accepted Islam in a given locality), inadequate religious education, and the bad side of human nature.

    http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=16

    #283469
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,16:15)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,07:04)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,13:45)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,16:26)
    BOD

    Quote
    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN


    That makes no sense do you really think a billion Muslims are running around doing what you say they are? If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    WAKE UP!!!


    bod

    it make sens to me and to many others,but what you do not like to see you try to ignore ,

    for 60 years the Palestinians have rebelled against Israel they have sacrifice their children and live in a war zone,instead of making peace and live and progress in live but this is only given to the few that are in power and sustain the war,look in Afghanistan,how they are divided and like to subdue women how they live by the rules of the flesh,and so is Pakistan,Iran,and Syria,and Africa nations ,and Chechen,in Russia show me the nation in the Muslim world that treats people with respect ? (let not go with exceptions but in general)

    Quote
    If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    I am totally true


    How can Palestine be rebellious against Israel and they were there before Israel? Israel is claiming Palestinian land and while some cultures may treat people bad you are confusing culture with religion.

    You are totally false. The greatest number of Muslims are indonesia the woman have all the right sof men, also in America plus even in places like Pakistan they have had a woman president not even America has had one yet plus Islam was the first religion to allow women to go to Universities and become doctors and lawyers look around and see for yourself how many Muslim women are becoming professionals in all these fields.

    In America and places like that Pornography and prostitution have been made into rights, Gay Marriage another right and the Christians they are very relaxed they don't want to make a fuss so even the ministers can be gay, You don't understand that fighting is sometimes good you don't care what is going on as long as no one makes too much noise, you just don't want to be disturbed, it's really sad.

    ——————————-

    Muhammad was greatly concerned with women's rights

    The Prophet Muhammad was an extremely successful social reformer as well as spiritual and political leader, who championed the rights of the weak and oppressed. The Qur'anic verses referring to women had the effect of vastly improving the status and rights of women at the time they were revealed. Muslim women were granted the right to own, inherit and dispose of their own property as they saw fit; reject forced marriages; keep their own names and identities after marriage; initiate divorce; and obtain an education – back in the 7th century. In contrast to the dismal situation affecting many women in developing countries today, early Muslim women were noted for their learning and accomplishments. The Prophet declared, 'To seek knowledge is an obligation on every Muslim, male and female,' and his own wife Aisha was responsible for transmitting thousands of his sayings to later generations. Aisha was also renowned for her knowledge of poetry, medicine, and Islamic law, as well as her personal qualities of character and intelligence. When she led a battle after the Prophet's death, no one objected on the grounds that she was a woman. Many Muslim women in the medieval period enjoyed positions of respect as scholars and religious authorities. Therefore, Muslims seeking to improve the position of women in society have usually focused their efforts on getting men (and women) to practice Islam, rather than trying to 'reform' it, as happened with other religions. The main obstacles to Muslim women achieving the rights guaranteed to them, then and now, have been persistent un-Islamic cultural traditions (usually dating to the period before people accepted Islam in a given locality), inadequate religious education, and the bad side of human nature.  

    http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=16


    bod

    Muhammad

    By Mitchell Bard

    Muhammad was born in Mecca approximately 570 C.E. and was a member of the Quraysh tribe. As with Moses and Jesus, we know little about his childhood. His parents died when he was young, and he never learned to read or write. When he was 12, he visited Syria and had his first exposure to Jews and Christians and apparently developed a respect for these “People of the Book.” At 25, Muhammad married a widow named Khadija who was involved in trade and got him involved in it as well.

    During one trading journey when he was about 40, Muhammad had an encounter with the angel Gabriel revealed to him special revelations. Different opinions exist on whether Mohammed miraculously read or just repeated the revelations, which said he was to become the messenger of God. Following his prophetic experience, Mohammed returned to his wife and began spreading the teachings he learned.

    Afterward, Muhammad began to develop a code of behavior that he said had come from Allah, or God. Some of the revelations included that the world would end, that God would judge humans mercifully if they submitted to His will, and that people should pray to show their gratitude to God.

    The people who accepted Muhammad's teachings came to be known as Muslims and their religion Islam, Arabic for “surrender [to the will of Allah].” Muhammad was regarded as the last and most perfect prophet. During the two centuries after Muhammad's death, the laws of Islam were codified in the Shariah, and Muhammad was regarded as the last and most perfect prophet. The word of God was revealed to him through the angel Gabriel and recorded in the Arabic language in the Koran (or Qur’an).

    The principles of Islam were developed over time and, as was the case with earlier men professing to be prophets, not everyone was willing to accept Muhammad's claim to be God's messenger. Muhammad w
    as attacking the way of life of the more powerful families in the Quraysh tribe, and they were not happy about it. In addition to having to persevere the criticism of his views, he also suffered terribly when his wife and uncle died in the same year.

    In 622, Muhammad left Mecca for an oasis then known as Yathrib. This trip became known as the hejira, the flight from persecution in Mecca. The term has also come to mean leaving a pagan community for one that adheres to the laws of Islam. In his new home, which was later renamed Medina, Muhammad became a mediator, arbitrating disputes between tribes.

    Interestingly, Medina also had a sizeable Jewish community, which had probably moved there after being expelled from Palestine by the Romans. Muhammad respected the Jews, and his early teachings appeared to borrow from Jewish tradition. The Jews began to distance themselves from Muhammad, however, when he became critical of their not recognizing him as a prophet.

    Once it was clear the Jews would not accept him, Muhammad began to minimize or eliminate the Jewish influence on his beliefs. For example, he shifted the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Mecca, made Friday his special day of prayer, and renounced the Jewish dietary laws (except for the prohibition on eating pork). Originally, he said the Arabs were descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael, but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    One of the immediate consequences of Muhammad's frustration was the expulsion of two Jewish tribes from Medina and the murder of all the members of a third Jewish tribe (except for the women and children, who were sold into slavery). But even worse for the long-term treatment of the Jews were a number of inflammatory statements about Jews that Muhammad made that appear in the Koran — which, over the years, stoked Arab/Islamic anti-Semitism.

    Muhammad slowly began to build his power base both by the persuasiveness of his faith and the old-fashioned way: by marrying women from important families to gain political advantage. He came to control the oases and markets, which forced other traders and tribesmen to negotiate with him. When he finally returned to Mecca, it was at the head of an imposing army that forced the residents to capitulate.

    Muhammad died in 632, and it was left to his followers to carry on the traditions he had begun. His followers developed Islam, just as the followers of Moses and Jesus developed Judaism and Christianity over time.

    Bard, Mitchell G. The Complete Idiot's Guide to Middle East Conflict. 3rd Edition. NY: Alpha Books, 2005.

    #283474
    terraricca
    Participant

    bod

    espect

    The Qur'an is treated with immense respect by Muslims because it is the sacred word of God.

    While the Qur'an is recited aloud, Muslims should behave with reverence and refrain from speaking, eating or drinking, or making distracting noise.

    Sunnah and Hadith

    In addition to the Qur'an, the other sacred sources are the Sunnah, the practise and examples of the Prophet Muhammad's life, and the Hadith, reports of what the prophet Muhammad said or approved.

    Both the Hadith and Sunnah must adhere to a strict chain of narration that ensures its authenticity, taking into account factors such as the character of people in the chain and continuity in narration. Reports that fail to meet such criteria will be disregarded.

    I DO NOT SEE THE HOLY SCRIPTURES FROM THE ONLY TRUE GOD THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR,

    BUT I SEE THE BOOK OF HIS OPPOSITION SATAN

    #283515
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,10:10)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,16:15)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,07:04)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,13:45)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,16:26)
    BOD

    Quote
    God helps me all the time and other Muslims I know as well God is even helping Muslims around the world right now get rid of oppressive dictators.

    HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT ??? AND BEING ABUSED ,AND WOMEN RAPED, AND KILLING CHILDREN, AND COLD BLOOD MURDER, GOD AS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ,UNLESS IN TIME WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES OUT OF IT ,TO BE SEEN


    That makes no sense do you really think a billion Muslims are running around doing what you say they are? If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    WAKE UP!!!


    bod

    it make sens to me and to many others,but what you do not like to see you try to ignore ,

    for 60 years the Palestinians have rebelled against Israel they have sacrifice their children and live in a war zone,instead of making peace and live and progress in live but this is only given to the few that are in power and sustain the war,look in Afghanistan,how they are divided and like to subdue women how they live by the rules of the flesh,and so is Pakistan,Iran,and Syria,and Africa nations ,and Chechen,in Russia show me the nation in the Muslim world that treats people with respect ? (let not go with exceptions but in general)

    Quote
    If that were even half true humanity as you know it wouldn't even exist.

    I am totally true


    How can Palestine be rebellious against Israel and they were there before Israel? Israel is claiming Palestinian land and while some cultures may treat people bad you are confusing culture with religion.

    You are totally false. The greatest number of Muslims are indonesia the woman have all the right sof men, also in America plus even in places like Pakistan they have had a woman president not even America has had one yet plus Islam was the first religion to allow women to go to Universities and become doctors and lawyers look around and see for yourself how many Muslim women are becoming professionals in all these fields.

    In America and places like that Pornography and prostitution have been made into rights, Gay Marriage another right and the Christians they are very relaxed they don't want to make a fuss so even the ministers can be gay, You don't understand that fighting is sometimes good you don't care what is going on as long as no one makes too much noise, you just don't want to be disturbed, it's really sad.

    ——————————-

    Muhammad was greatly concerned with women's rights

    The Prophet Muhammad was an extremely successful social reformer as well as spiritual and political leader, who championed the rights of the weak and oppressed. The Qur'anic verses referring to women had the effect of vastly improving the status and rights of women at the time they were revealed. Muslim women were granted the right to own, inherit and dispose of their own property as they saw fit; reject forced marriages; keep their own names and identities after marriage; initiate divorce; and obtain an education – back in the 7th century. In contrast to the dismal situation affecting many women in developing countries today, early Muslim women were noted for their learning and accomplishments. The Prophet declared, 'To seek knowledge is an obligation on every Muslim, male and female,' and his own wife Aisha was responsible for transmitting thousands of his sayings to later generations. Aisha was also renowned for her knowledge of poetry, medicine, and Islamic law, as well as her personal qualities of character and intelligence. When she led a battle after the Prophet's death, no one objected on the grounds that she was a woman. Many Muslim women in the medieval period enjoyed positions of respect as scholars and religious authorities. Therefore, Muslims seeking to improve the position of women in society have usually focused their efforts on getting men (and women) to practice Islam, rather than trying to 'reform' it, as happened with other religions. The main obstacles to Muslim women achieving the rights guaranteed to them, then and now, have been persistent un-Islamic cultural traditions (usually dating to the period before people accepted Islam in a given locality), inadequate religious education, and the bad side of human nature.  

    http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=16


    bod

    Muhammad

    By Mitchell Bard

    Muhammad was born in Mecca approximately 570 C.E. and was a member of the Quraysh tribe. As with Moses and Jesus, we know little about his childhood. His parents died when he was young, and he never learned to read or write. When he was 12, he visited Syria and had his first exposure to Jews and Christians and apparently developed a respect for these “People of the Book.” At 25, Muhammad married a widow named Khadija who was involved in trade and got him involved in it as well.

    During one trading journey when he was about 40, Muhammad had an encounter with the angel Gabriel revealed to him special revelations. Different opinions exist on whether Mohammed miraculously read or just repeated the revelations, which said he was to become the messenger of God. Following his prophetic experience, Mohammed returned to his wife and began spreading the teachings he learned.

    Afterward, Muhammad began to develop a code of behavior that he said had come from Allah, or God. Some of the revelations included that the world would end, that God would judge humans mercifully if they submitted to His will, and that people should pray to show their gratitude to God.

    The people who accepted Muhammad's teachings came to be known as Muslims and their religion Islam, Arabic for “surrender [to the will of Allah].” Muhammad was regarded as the last and most perfect prophet. During the two centuries after Muhammad's death, the laws of Islam were codified in the Shariah, and Muhammad was regarded as the last and most perfect prophet. The word of God was revealed to him through the angel Gabriel and recorded in the Arabic language in the Koran (or Qur’an).

    The princi
    ples of Islam were developed over time and, as was the case with earlier men professing to be prophets, not everyone was willing to accept Muhammad's claim to be God's messenger. Muhammad was attacking the way of life of the more powerful families in the Quraysh tribe, and they were not happy about it. In addition to having to persevere the criticism of his views, he also suffered terribly when his wife and uncle died in the same year.

    In 622, Muhammad left Mecca for an oasis then known as Yathrib. This trip became known as the hejira, the flight from persecution in Mecca. The term has also come to mean leaving a pagan community for one that adheres to the laws of Islam. In his new home, which was later renamed Medina, Muhammad became a mediator, arbitrating disputes between tribes.

    Interestingly, Medina also had a sizeable Jewish community, which had probably moved there after being expelled from Palestine by the Romans. Muhammad respected the Jews, and his early teachings appeared to borrow from Jewish tradition. The Jews began to distance themselves from Muhammad, however, when he became critical of their not recognizing him as a prophet.

    Once it was clear the Jews would not accept him, Muhammad began to minimize or eliminate the Jewish influence on his beliefs. For example, he shifted the direction of prayers from Jerusalem to Mecca, made Friday his special day of prayer, and renounced the Jewish dietary laws (except for the prohibition on eating pork). Originally, he said the Arabs were descendants of Abraham through his son Ishmael, but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    One of the immediate consequences of Muhammad's frustration was the expulsion of two Jewish tribes from Medina and the murder of all the members of a third Jewish tribe (except for the women and children, who were sold into slavery). But even worse for the long-term treatment of the Jews were a number of inflammatory statements about Jews that Muhammad made that appear in the Koran — which, over the years, stoked Arab/Islamic anti-Semitism.

    Muhammad slowly began to build his power base both by the persuasiveness of his faith and the old-fashioned way: by marrying women from important families to gain political advantage. He came to control the oases and markets, which forced other traders and tribesmen to negotiate with him. When he finally returned to Mecca, it was at the head of an imposing army that forced the residents to capitulate.

    Muhammad died in 632, and it was left to his followers to carry on the traditions he had begun. His followers developed Islam, just as the followers of Moses and Jesus developed Judaism and Christianity over time.

    Bard, Mitchell G. The Complete Idiot's Guide to Middle East Conflict. 3rd Edition. NY: Alpha Books, 2005.


    The book you are quoting from is incorrect an d obviously they never read the Quran either.

    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    #283526
    terraricca
    Participant

    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying

    #283579
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,12:31)
    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying


    How can Abrahams connection to the Jews be denied in the Quran?

    And commemorate Our Servants abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.
    ( سورة ص , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #45)

    O Children of israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.
    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)

    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

    As I said they never read the Quran

    #283587
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:08)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,12:31)
    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying


    How can Abrahams connection to the Jews be denied in the Quran?

    And commemorate Our Servants abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.  
    (  سورة ص  , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #45)

    O Children of israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)

    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

    As I said they never read the Quran


    bod

    is this all you have in the Koran about the bible ?????

    #283595
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,15:08)
    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)


    Hi BD, no Christian or Jew believes in YOUR false curse of a god(al-Lah)!

    Gen.14:22-23 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto YHVH, the most high God,
    the possessor of heaven and earth, That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and
    that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

    B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
    עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)

    #283606
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,15:22)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:08)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,12:31)
    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying


    How can Abrahams connection to the Jews be denied in the Quran?

    And commemorate Our Servants abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.  
    (  سورة ص  , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #45)

    O Children of israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)

    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

    As I said they never read the Quran


    bod

    is this all you have in the Koran about the bible ?????


    NO,

    How many verses would you like? Do you want all the verses on the Children of Israel?

    #283609
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,10:22)
    bod

    espect

    The Qur'an is treated with immense respect by Muslims because it is the sacred word of God.

    While the Qur'an is recited aloud, Muslims should behave with reverence and refrain from speaking, eating or drinking, or making distracting noise.

    Sunnah and Hadith

    In addition to the Qur'an, the other sacred sources are the Sunnah, the practise and examples of the Prophet Muhammad's life, and the Hadith, reports of what the prophet Muhammad said or approved.

    Both the Hadith and Sunnah must adhere to a strict chain of narration that ensures its authenticity, taking into account factors such as the character of people in the chain and continuity in narration. Reports that fail to meet such criteria will be disregarded.

    I DO NOT SEE THE HOLY SCRIPTURES FROM THE ONLY TRUE GOD THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR,

    BUT I SEE THE BOOK OF HIS OPPOSITION SATAN


    Sometimes you say really silly things :D

    #283611
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,15:22)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:08)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,12:31)
    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying


    How can Abrahams connection to the Jews be denied in the Quran?

    And commemorate Our Servants abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.  
    (  سورة ص  , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #45)

    O Children of israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)

    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

    As I said they never read the Quran


    bod

    is this all you have in the Koran about the bible ?????


    NO,

    How many verses would you like? Do you want all the verses on the Children of Israel?


    bod

    is this the best you have ??

    #283639
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,15:49)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:44)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,15:22)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 08 2012,22:08)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2012,12:31)
    bod

    Quote
    but in the Koran Abraham's connection to the Jews is denied, with Muhammad asserting that Abraham is only the patriarch of Islam, not Judaism as well, because he “surrendered himself to Allah.”

    This is a complete lie or misinformation, the writer did not read the Quran

    it seems you did not read the Koran because you can not disprove what the book is saying


    How can Abrahams connection to the Jews be denied in the Quran?

    And commemorate Our Servants abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.  
    (  سورة ص  , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #45)

    O Children of israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me.  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #40)

    Say ye: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).”  
    (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

    As I said they never read the Quran


    bod

    is this all you have in the Koran about the bible ?????


    NO,

    How many verses would you like? Do you want all the verses on the Children of Israel?


    bod

    is this the best you have ??


    No, What verses would ou like pertaining to anything in the Bible there are just too many for me to just list because the whole Quran IS THE WORD OF GOD.

    Al-Fatiha

    1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
    2 All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
    3 The Beneficent, the Merciful.
    4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
    5 Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
    6 Keep us on the right path.
    7 The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

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