Discussion of deity of Jesus quotes

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07)

We all know that God the Father is superior to Satan’s spirit, and that on its own, is sufficient to conclude that, with every respect to what you said, it was not possible that SATAN LUCIFER WAS IN GOD. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles,

I said no such thing?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:12)

Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07) We all know that God the Father is superior to Satan’s spirit, and that on its own, is sufficient to conclude that, with every respect to what you said, it was not possible that SATAN LUCIFER WAS IN GOD. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, I said no such thing? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Charles, (see Ezekiel 28:16)

“Your iniquities have separated between you and your God” (Isaiah 59:2)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07)

The  words  “it is finished above means that Jesus is within Satan’s grip ,Satan is within Jesus soul, to take him to hell. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles,

Are you suggesting the opposite of what I said?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:21)

Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07) The  words  “it is finished above means that Jesus is within Satan’s grip ,Satan is within Jesus soul, to take him to hell. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, Are you suggesting the opposite of what I said? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Are you suggesting the opposite of what I said?

Edj,

please with every respect:

The first words by Jesus,regarding this context, were:

THE FOURTH WORD  “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34

I also explained in detail,but due to the eagerness to post, you simply ignored what I posted so read again:

Here Jesus experienced for the first time ever the abandonment of His Father’s Spirit, which was vital,and to make us aware that THE FATHER COULD NEVER DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF SATAN.

SO JESUS BECAME AN ORDINARY MAN LIKE HIS BRETHREN,EVEN CURSED,THEREFORE SATAN,ALTHOUGH WAS IN DOUBT WHETHER JESUS WAS JUST A PROPHET OR THE SON OF GOD HE STILL HAD TO DO HIS NORMAL PROCEDURE,WHICH WAS TO GRAB JESUS' SOUL AND TAKE IT TO HELL!!

IT WAS FUNDAMENTAL FOR SATAN TO TAKE SOULS TO HELL,IN ORDER TO BUILD HIS FUTURE KINGDOM,BY BEING A MAN/EVILGOD IF HE WERE TO SUCCEED IN ANTICIPATING  THE MESSIAH.

Through this act Jesus showed his utmost love for the simple reason that He Himself wanted to be so humiliated, and ended up AS A CRIMINAL,CURSED  without any kind of support from the Father.  He did it simply TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, and through it He would redeem US, by being subject to Satan’s plan, his free will, and in order to confirm that good is superior to evil.

Jesus was so an ordinary man at the very end, on His point of death, that He gave proof of it in the garden, when He preferred not to drink of that cup, and He was only doing it for His Father’s sake. WHY??

The Father could never experience such a terrible state,

since He is God,

but through Jesus He did, since He became an ordinary man purposely to be in all things like his brethren to redeem us

and became aware of what humans had been through from Adam’s sin.

So Satan entered Jesus' soul because HE WAS AN ORDINARY MAN NOT GOD ON THAT POINT IN TIME.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

[NickHassan]

Hi Charles,
Jesus said the ruler of the world had nothing in him.
He had no satan in his soul.

Men still accuse him of having a demon but they should remember what the consequences of blasphemy against the Spirit are.

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:12)

Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07) We all know that God the Father is superior to Satan’s spirit, and that on its own, is sufficient to conclude that, with every respect to what you said, it was not possible that SATAN LUCIFER WAS IN GOD. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, I said no such thing? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi Charles, I said no such thing?

Edj,  

This is what you said:

Lucifer's spirit was definitely removed from God's Spirit
at Jesus' death when he cried out “IT IS FINISHED”!

OK!!

IT IS FINISHED WAS AN INDICATION THAT JESUS' SOUL EXPERIENCED FOR THE FIRST TIME SATAN'S SPIRIT WITHIN.

WHEN JESUS' SOUL  HAD SATAN'S SPIRIT WITHIN TILL THE AGE OF THIRTY, HE had a kind of protection  BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,

IT IS CLEAR FROM THE ABOVE BY THE WORDS : DIVIDING ASUNDER OF SOUL AND SPIRIT!!

BUT ON DEATH HE WAS NOT PROTECTED IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 09 2012,06:24)

Edj, please with every respect: The first words by Jesus,regarding this context, were: THE FOURTH WORD  “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles,

There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time.
Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2012,06:30)

Hi Charles, Jesus said the ruler of the world had nothing in him. He had no satan in his soul. Men still accuse him of having a demon but they should remember what the consequences of blasphemy against the Spirit are.

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Jesus said the ruler of the world had nothing in him. He had no satan in his soul.

Nick,

Jesus said those words after His baptizm.

Only through baptizm  He officially became the begotten of the Father.

Jesus was IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN EXCEPT SIN!!

JESUS TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, HAD  TO HAVE SATAN'S SPIRIT WITHIN HIS SOUL THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE TILL THE AGE OF 30.

THE HIDDEN 18 YEARS OF JESUS ARE A PROOF OF THIS.

JESUS OFFICIALLY BECAME BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER ON BAPTIZM

BY REMOVING SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM HIS SOUL,AND WAS FILLED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT .

THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT SENT JESUS IN THE DESERT TO BE TESTED,AS PROOF THAT HE WAS A PERFECT MAN WITHOUT BOTH THE HOLY SPIRIT,AND SATAN'S SPIRIT. LIKE ADAM WAS WHEN HE WAS CREATED!!

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee

 

So through reading the above ,one would be aware that Jesus was not in the power of the Holy Spirit in the desert.

THEN HE AGAIN RECEIVED HIM ON DEATH TO BE TAKEN TO HELL.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,06:49)

Quote (carmel @ June 09 2012,06:24) Edj, please with every respect: The first words by Jesus,regarding this context, were: THE FOURTH WORD  “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

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There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm.

Edj,

Are you insinuating that Jesus never experienced the abandonment of His Father???

Are you insinuating that the Father remained in Jesus during his death on the cross??

This is a contradiction in itself.

With the Father Spirit in Jesus' soul, it would HAD NEVER BEEN possible for Jesus to be cursed.

ALSO:

THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS CURSED, WAS, THAT SATAN ENTERED HIS SOUL. IT WAS THROUGH THE INSERTION OF SATAN'S SPIRIT THAT HE DIED.

IF JESUS HAD TO REMAIN WITH HIS FATHER SPIRIT WITHIN, HE COULD HAVE NEVER DIED,SINCE GOD IS LIFE.

IN FACT AS SOON AS THE HOLY SPIRIT ENTERED JESUS' SOUL WHILE HE WAS DEAD,HE CAME BACK TO LIFE WITH A NEW SPIRITUAL BODY.THE REASON WHY JESUS' BODY  HAD TO DIE TO CONFIRM THAT THE PREVIOUS SATAN'S BODY WAS WITHOUT LIFE.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:16)

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:12) Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07) We all know that God the Father is superior to Satan’s spirit, and that on its own, is sufficient to conclude that, with every respect to what you said, it was not possible that SATAN LUCIFER WAS IN GOD. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, I said no such thing? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Charles,  (see Ezekiel 28:16) “Your iniquities have separated between you and your God” (Isaiah 59:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Your iniquities have separated between you and your God” (Isaiah 59:2)

Edj,

The above is a reference to, when Lucifer was an angel,not as Satan.
It has nothing to do while Jesus was on the cross.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORDS:

IT IS FINISHED!!

He was an angel when he sinned,and afterward was sent   to create our world according to his impression!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 09 2012,07:46)

Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2012,06:49) Quote (carmel @ June 09 2012,06:24) Edj, please with every respect: The first words by Jesus,regarding this context, were: THE FOURTH WORD  “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm. Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J Quote There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm. Edj, (1)Are you insinuating that Jesus never experienced the abandonment of His Father??? (2)Are you insinuating that the Father remained in Jesus during his death on the cross?? (3)This is a contradiction in itself. With the Father Spirit in Jesus' soul, it would HAD NEVER BEEN possible for Jesus to be cursed. ALSO: THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS CURSED, WAS, THAT SATAN ENTERED HIS SOUL. IT WAS THROUGH THE INSERTION OF SATAN'S SPIRIT THAT HE DIED. IF JESUS HAD TO REMAIN WITH HIS FATHER SPIRIT WITHIN, HE COULD HAVE NEVER DIED,SINCE GOD IS LIFE. IN FACT AS SOON AS THE HOLY SPIRIT ENTERED JESUS' SOUL WHILE HE WAS DEAD,HE CAME BACK TO LIFE WITH A NEW SPIRITUAL BODY.THE REASON WHY JESUS' BODY  HAD TO DIE TO CONFIRM THAT THE PREVIOUS SATAN'S BODY WAS WITHOUT LIFE. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited.

1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate.

2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate.

3) How so?

You sure do make a lot of assumptions.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 09 2012,07:59)

Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:16) Quote (Ed J @ June 08 2012,05:12) Quote (carmel @ June 08 2012,05:07) We all know that God the Father is superior to Satan’s spirit, and that on its own, is sufficient to conclude that, with every respect to what you said, it was not possible that SATAN LUCIFER WAS IN GOD. PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES Hi Charles, I said no such thing? God bless Ed J Hi Charles,  (see Ezekiel 28:16) “Your iniquities have separated between you and your God” (Isaiah 59:2) God bless Ed J Quote Your iniquities have separated between you and your God” (Isaiah 59:2) Edj, The above is a reference to,  when Lucifer was an angel,not as Satan. It has nothing to do while Jesus was on the cross. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORDS: IT IS FINISHED!! He was an angel when he sinned,and afterward was sent   to create our world according to his impression!! PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHARLES

Hi Charles,

Great!     …we can agree!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

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Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited. 1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate. 2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate.

Edj,

You can twist it the way you want, but it is not what you understand counts, it’s what  understands whoever is discussing with you.  

WITH EVERY RESPECT,AND WITH NO ANTAGONISM, OR ANY  HEART FEELINGS

 I suggest that you read what INSINUATE means:

ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM

in•sin•u•ate
   [in-sin-yoo-eyt]  Show IPA verb,in•sin•u•at•ed, in•sin•u•at•ing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying.

OK!!  IT IS THERE !!  

FIRST  IN LINE!!!

Peace and love in Jesus
Charles

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,03:01)

Quote Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited. 1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate. 2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate. Edj, You can twist it the way you want, but it is not what you understand counts, it’s what  understands whoever is discussing with you.   WITH EVERY RESPECT,AND WITH NO ANTAGONISM, OR ANY  HEART FEELINGS  I suggest that you read what INSINUATE means: ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM in•sin•u•ate    [in-sin-yoo-eyt]  Show IPA verb,in•sin•u•at•ed, in•sin•u•at•ing. verb (used with object) 1. to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying. OK!!  IT IS THERE !!   FIRST  IN LINE!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles

Hi Charles,  (Link)

insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way
 
Now you are insinuating my definition was wrong; which of course IT IS NOT!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,03:44)

Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,03:01) Quote Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited. 1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate. 2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate. Edj, You can twist it the way you want, but it is not what you understand counts, it’s what  understands whoever is discussing with you.   WITH EVERY RESPECT,AND WITH NO ANTAGONISM, OR ANY  HEART FEELINGS  I suggest that you read what INSINUATE means: ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM in•sin•u•ate    [in-sin-yoo-eyt]  Show IPA verb,in•sin•u•at•ed, in•sin•u•at•ing. verb (used with object) 1. to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying. OK!!  IT IS THERE !!   FIRST  IN LINE!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles Hi Charles,  (Link) insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way   Now you are insinuating my definition was wrong; which of course IT IS NOT! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way

Nick,

Hereunder you suggested an indirect negative concept NO?

So you insinuated NO?

There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time.
Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm.

Now honestly speaking what exactly you meant with the above??

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[Ed J]

Hi Charles, I merely defend my position.

Others here also have wrongly considered that an attack
even stooping so low as to start a thread of slander against me (no names).  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,06:15)

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,03:44) Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,03:01) Quote Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited. 1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate. 2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate. Edj, You can twist it the way you want, but it is not what you understand counts, it’s what  understands whoever is discussing with you.   WITH EVERY RESPECT,AND WITH NO ANTAGONISM, OR ANY  HEART FEELINGS  I suggest that you read what INSINUATE means: ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM in•sin•u•ate    [in-sin-yoo-eyt]  Show IPA verb,in•sin•u•at•ed, in•sin•u•at•ing. verb (used with object) 1. to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying. OK!!  IT IS THERE !!   FIRST  IN LINE!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles Hi Charles,  (Link) insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way   Now you are insinuating my definition was wrong; which of course IT IS NOT! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Quote insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way         Nick, Hereunder you suggested an indirect negative concept NO? So you insinuated NO? There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm. Now honestly speaking what exactly you meant with the above?? peace and love in Jesus Charles

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Psalms 22:1)

[carmel]

Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,06:37)

Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,06:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2012,03:44) Quote (carmel @ June 10 2012,03:01) Quote Hi Charles, your grasp of the English language appears to be limited. 1) That is what I do suggest, not insinuate. 2) That too is what I do suggest, not insinuate. Edj, You can twist it the way you want, but it is not what you understand counts, it’s what  understands whoever is discussing with you.   WITH EVERY RESPECT,AND WITH NO ANTAGONISM, OR ANY  HEART FEELINGS  I suggest that you read what INSINUATE means: ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM in•sin•u•ate    [in-sin-yoo-eyt]  Show IPA verb,in•sin•u•at•ed, in•sin•u•at•ing. verb (used with object) 1. to suggest or hint slyly: He insinuated that they were lying. OK!!  IT IS THERE !!   FIRST  IN LINE!!! Peace and love in Jesus Charles Hi Charles,  (Link) insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way   Now you are insinuating my definition was wrong; which of course IT IS NOT! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Quote insinuate:  suggest or hint (something negative) in an indirect and unpleasant way         Nick, Hereunder you suggested an indirect negative concept NO? So you insinuated NO? There were no chapter or verses in the bible at that time. Jesus was merely pointing to (22:1) the Crucifixion Chapter of Psalm. Now honestly speaking what exactly you meant with the above?? peace and love in Jesus Charles “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Psalms 22:1)

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“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Psalms 22:1)

Edj,

The point is not about the psalm, but rather what was your interior intentions for saying something, which was not clear enough, and the worst is that since you are insisting that others, and I understood it exactly the opposite it meant to be, it was definitely a lack of serious participation from your side. Considering the fact that you were talking about a point which was a reference to a prophecy, which Jesus  fulfilled and through it we are more than sure that the Father left His Son in order to be in ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN,

You simply implied that Jesus was JUST MERELY POINTING TO THE PSALM AND NOTHING HAPPENED.

So you did insinuated that Jesus was only acting according to the psalm, and in fact His Father never left Him.

My surprise was that, notwithstanding the fact that  I  posted an elaborated post regarding the definition of those words, with the hope to receive some light in return, you neglected my  post, presumably you simply read those words only, and created rather  a hoax.  

This act is definitely coming from the devil in order to destroy the truth which was intended to come out from these posts.

AND I AM AFRAID THAT YOU ARE THE VICTIM, SINCE YOU DIDN’T RESPECT GOD’S WORK SUFFICIENTLY.

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

[Ed J]

Hi Charles,

The world that Jesus entered was already corrupted do to Adam and Eve's fall.
So Jesus had to enter that corrupted world in order to redeem it. But Jesus
did so not with Adams blood, but with blood created directly from God.

Since Lucifer had already infiltrated this world through Eve as wall as Adam.
My belief that Lucifer's spirit was infused into Eve as well as Adam. And
since Eve was the mother of all living, Christ was born through her.
At Christ's death, Lucifer's spirit was separated from God's Spirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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