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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,09:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2012,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2012,19:56) WE ARE ON A PROPHETIC COLLISION 
MikeB.Are you following our discussions?
wakeup.
Not closely, Wakeup.Nor was my comment meant to imply that I accept Pierre's interpretation/understanding over yours, or Ed's, or journey's.
I just thought the comment was funny, not to mention accurate.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,00:09) Read Zech.2:11.12.13.
Okay, done.Tell me which part says this Jerusalem is the earthly one, and not the one that will later descend from heaven.
Again, I am on milk here, but it seems to me that those who received the mark of the beast will be dead, and those who didn't will come to life to reign with Christ for 1000 years.
I've always wondered which humans they'll be reigning over, since the “bad” ones are dead, and the “good” ones are the ones reigning.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 13 2012,03:54) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2012,10:55) the last thing I want is to be told by others what “my” understanding should be.
Hi Mike,So when you do, you will be able to tell others what “their” understanding should be.
Just you, Ed.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2012,03:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,09:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 13 2012,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 11 2012,19:56) WE ARE ON A PROPHETIC COLLISION
MikeB.Are you following our discussions?
wakeup.
Not closely, Wakeup.Nor was my comment meant to imply that I accept Pierre's interpretation/understanding over yours, or Ed's, or journey's.
I just thought the comment was funny, not to mention accurate.
Hi MikeB.Just put the bible before you, and compare or, note down the scriptures put forth in the discussions.
wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 08 2012,21:23) (and we didn't come preaching ourselves, but the truth, which comes from God, and he is our witness)
Hi Georgie,Who determines what is of value to discuss? …you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2012,03:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2012,00:09) Read Zech.2:11.12.13.
Okay, done.Tell me which part says this Jerusalem is the earthly one, and not the one that will later descend from heaven.
Again, I am on milk here, but it seems to me that those who received the mark of the beast will be dead, and those who didn't will come to life to reign with Christ for 1000 years.
I've always wondered which humans they'll be reigning over, since the “bad” ones are dead, and the “good” ones are the ones reigning.
Hi Mike B.Good question.
Read carefully.
At the coming; only the 144000 that followed the lamb where so ever he goes,will be first(the first fruits) rev.7. the sealing before the first trumpet will sound.
and rev14:1.4. these are the 144000 that follow the lamb.The sealed ones.Then all the trumpets will sound.trumpet one.two etc.this will take some time.3–4 yrs.
The first will sound during the reign of the f.p.Then the tribulation,where the rest of the christians will have to go through.Some taken to prison,some killed.
Then the 7th trumpet will sound,this is the coming.
They will be resurrected,and the ones still alive will be changed in a wingk of an eye.Babylon the great will be destroyed(rev.16:19.).
Many gentiles will die.many also will survive.Then the kingdom will be established in israel capitol city jerusalem; the jews will be brought back(revived) not all,but the elect only;in the flesh.
And they will be the population in the kingdom.
They will be taught by the resurected for 1000yrs.For all must go through Christ.They also will multilply;have children.When they have received the knowledge;they also will teach all the gentiles OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM. There will be also christians that have failed the first resurrection,shut out from the kingdom.
Just a little at the time.
wakeup.
I don't see anything in those scriptures that speak of “Jews” being brought back in the flesh to Jerusalem.
But, more to the point, I don't see anything that implies this 1000 year reign will be on earth.
(Again, I'm not claiming you are wrong – only claiming that I don't see these things in the scriptures you pointed me to.)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,04:29) I don't see anything in those scriptures that speak of “Jews” being brought back in the flesh to Jerusalem. But, more to the point, I don't see anything that implies this 1000 year reign will be on earth.
(Again, I'm not claiming you are wrong – only claiming that I don't see these things in the scriptures you pointed me to.)
Mike B.Good; let me show you some,but you have to read it for your self.
God will bring back again israel:
Jer.23:3–8. brought back,and live in peace.
Jer.29:12.13.14.tthey will seek and find.and brought back.
Jer.30:3.—11.
Jer.31:15–18. This is about the children of Rachel(abrahams wife) that were killled by herod;God will bring them back again(revive) to their own border.V.28. God has has broken israel down,but he will rebuild them again.
V.31. God will give them (the jews) a new covenant.
V .33.34. They shall be his people, and all will know the Lord. and their sin will not be remembered no more.
Ez.11:16–20. 36:11.21.22.—->38.
Ez.ch.37:12.24.25. read all of this chapter.
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The 1000yr reign on earth:First the prayer:Thy kingdom come,thy will be done on EARTH as in heaven. EARTH will be as heaven.
1Cor:15:25.(all enemies put under his feet,and he shall reign on earth).We dont reign over angels.
Rev.20:4.resurrected will reign with Christ for a 1000yrs.
not in heaven,for we dont reign over the angels,but over the jews,and the gentiles.(flesh).REv.20:9. (the camp of the saints;the kingdom in jerusalem).
Ez.37:24.25. The people that are at rest.(1000yrs rest).wakeup.
Quote Okay, done. Tell me which part says this Jerusalem is the earthly one, and not the one that will later descend from heaven.
Mike, Zechariah gives us a glimpse, we also have to go to other scriptures and Rev for more clarity.
IN THAT DAY (THE 2ND COMING)
ZECHARIAH 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
ZECHARIAH 2:12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem againZechariah shows that nations will still be existing, and will join with the Lord. Because they can't deny all that their eyes will witness (the coming)
and the scriptures here also show that the Lord will choose Jerusalem AGAIN. Jerusalem means city of peace. Jerusalem has never had peace, but her name Jerusalem is a prophecy, and will be fulfilled at the Lords 2nd coming….City of Peace….How do we know the difference between the Jerusalem that will be chosen again by Christ, and the New Jerusalem that comes from heaven (rev 21:2)
Big difference.
Christ has to bind Satan first in order to set up his kingdom here and will rule for a thousand years, (in Jerusalem), then after that (1000 yrs), Satan will be let loose (rev 20:7), and the battle of Gog and Magog will take place (rev 20:8) they will attack the camp of the saints. (rev 20:9) but will not prevail.
then Satan finally destroyed forever, then the 2nd judgement, and 2nd resurrection where the goats and the sheep will be separated (final sifting)
and Christ then hands the kingdom back to his Father, when his work is fully completed.1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
When Christ destroys the last enemy (death), and death and hell itself are thrown into the lake of fire, then we have no more flesh by this stage, for everyone who has made it will be spirit. The earth will be melted, and flesh cannot stand this type of heat. So the first Jerusalem, shows there are nations about, flesh, and the second shows there is not flesh.
Quote but it seems to me that those who received the mark of the beast will be dead, and those who didn't will come to life to reign with Christ for 1000 years.
One thing that is certain, every man with the mark of the beast will have to go through the 7 plagues (7 trumpets)
This is the punishment on Babylon the Great.
Christ doesn't destroy everyone during these plagues or at his coming. Only the very wicked. The rest are survivors, and will live to tell the story to their future generations. (1000 years)
Christ will however destroy every building, house, business, factory, religion, worldly systems and laws, everything, but not all flesh. For any religion to teach that all non christians will be killed at Christ's coming is teaching error, because the scriptures disagree.mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I've always wondered which humans they'll be reigning over, since the “bad” ones are dead, and the “good” ones are the ones reigning.
Exactly Mike! That's why the theory of everyone being destroyed does not fit.Theres the holy followers, the very wicked, and the in-between Mike. The very very wicked are…. the murderers, cheats, thieves, sex offenders, extortioners, pedophiles, sodomites, liars, God haters, etc,….but not everyone behaves this way. We all know many people that are decent and do the right thing, that would never harm anyone, and have a heart to help others… but these have not known the Lord for whatever reason, yet they practised a form of righteousness through choice, without even knowing who it comes from (God). I'm not saying that these were without sin, but not all sins lead to death. This shows that God has mercy also on them, and by the time Christ comes, they have been through so much misery from the plagues etc that they will welcome truth, and a change, from the lives they have experienced, and all the evil they have seen, when they witness Christ with their own eyes, they will know that they get another chance, but this time, truth and no confusion.
Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Zechariah 8:22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.and inside the boundary of the Kingdom lives the remnant of the Jews. So Christ and the saints are teaching the Jews the truth now, that is who they are reigning over, and the Jews now learning the truth will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.Malachi 3:12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.
wup and j42
you have good points but most of your scriptures have already been fullfilled ,and their are no more Jews only humans, and selected people from them all to be the leaders in the sense of heaven not the sense of men ,
even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,05:25) wup and j42 you have good points but most of your scriptures have already been fullfilled ,and their are no more Jews only humans, and selected people from them all to be the leaders in the sense of heaven not the sense of men ,
even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Terra.You said most are fulfilled,but you dont provide scriptures?
You need to study Ez.37. and also all the scriptures given to Mike b. so you can understand.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,05:25) wup and j42 you have good points but most of your scriptures have already been fullfilled ,and their are no more Jews only humans, and selected people from them all to be the leaders in the sense of heaven not the sense of men ,
even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Terra.You said most are fulfilled,but you dont provide scriptures?
You need to study Ez.37. and also all the scriptures given to Mike b. so you can understand.
wakeup.
wupI read Ezekiel about 40 times and find that all as been dealt with ,it is only religion that want to go back and find things to say because they run out of things to say that is true to the truth of God so they go were they feel good in their self confusion,and no one can contradict them because how do you contradict a lie ???with another lie
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,12:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 17 2012,13:09) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,05:25) wup and j42 you have good points but most of your scriptures have already been fullfilled ,and their are no more Jews only humans, and selected people from them all to be the leaders in the sense of heaven not the sense of men ,
even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Terra.You said most are fulfilled,but you dont provide scriptures?
You need to study Ez.37. and also all the scriptures given to Mike b. so you can understand.
wakeup.
wupI read Ezekiel about 40 times and find that all as been dealt with ,it is only religion that want to go back and find things to say because they run out of things to say that is true to the truth of God so they go were they feel good in their self confusion,and no one can contradict them because how do you contradict a lie ???with another lie
Terra.How can you not see?
Ez.37:12.—– I WILL OPEN YOUR GRAVES,AND CAUSE YOU TO COME UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES,AND —BRING YOU –INTO- THE LAND OF ISRAEL.(brought back).
13. AND YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD,WHEN I HAVE OPENED YOUR GRAVES.
O, MY PEOPLE,AND BROUGHT YOU UP –OUT– OF YOUR GRAVES. (revived and brought back to israel).14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, AND YE SHALL LIVE,AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR —OWN LAND-:
THEN SHALL YE KNOW THAT I THE LORD HAVE SPOKEN IT,AND PERFORMED IT,SAID THE LORD.(Their own land is the 1000yr kingdom,and they will know the Lord,and follow him).
24. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall have ONE shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgement,and observe my statutes,and DO THEM.
25And they shall dwell in the land that I have GIVEN unto Jacob my servant wherin your fathers have dwelleth; and they shall dwell therein,even they,and their children,and their childrens children,FOR EVER.; AND MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER.
wakeup.
Quote you have good points but most of your scriptures have already been fullfilled
I should ask you what scripture you are speaking of?
The whole plan of God must fit as tight as a glove. The scriptures have to all connect.
It's not all written out in order for us, but the mysteries are hidden in there for us to seek, and then connect them to other scriptures speaking of the same thing. This is what forms the whole picture (not parts)Quote ,and their are no more Jews only humans, and selected people from them all to be the leaders in the sense of heaven not the sense of men ,
We cannot ignore the fact that the Jews were God's firstborn. He made a nation out of them for HIS NAME SAKE. He also made a promise to them and God alway's keeps his promise. He will punish them for turning away from him, and their punishment will be severe, but he will bring them back.
These scriptures are only a few, in which God is speaking directly to Israel.Jeremiah 30:10 Therefore fear though not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity, and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
Jeremiah 30:11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee; but I will correct thee on measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
Jeremiah 30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.Jeremiah 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, says the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
Jeremiah 30:18 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwelling places; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
Jeremiah 30:19 And out of them (Israel) shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
Jeremiah 30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.Jeremiah 30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves (Israel) and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord
Jeremiah 30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. (still speaking to ISRAEL)
Now go and read Romans 11:1-32. You should connect it.
We should be very careful what we say about Israel, it is ok to tell the truth that they stumbled, and that God is very angry with them, and will punish them, but we must also tell the WHOLE TRUTH, that God will bring them back again, according to his holy word, which is truth, ……and it says the City (KINGDOM) will be built on her own heap, and that heap is where all the intruders will come in, even the Medes, and cause devastation, and Christ will finish her off by causing an earthquake to divide her into 3 parts, leaving no building intact. (A ruinous heap)
Only after this happens, can Israel be restored, spiritually and physically.WE CANNOT WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. THEY ARE STILL HERE AND PLAY A BIG PART IN GOD'S PLAN.
THOSE PRECIOUS SCRIPTURES ARE LIKE JEWELS TO US.
J42.
Wonderful scriptures my dear.
Do you think they will see?
Its all up to God,Pray,that they may see,and have some understanding,how God will execute his plan.wakeup.
Quote even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
Pierre, everything is said already (written) but not all fulfilled.Quote understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Yes we know that Pierre. The scriptures say that Israel rejected their messiah, so salvation went out to the gentiles, then, will go back to IsraelRomans 11:25 …..until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant with unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes (Israel): but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes
The gentiles who follow Christ will be raised to spirit at Christ's second coming.
The Israelites that are brought back from the dead, will be raised into only flesh. Big difference.
The saints will be teaching them,
as the saints will be ruling with Jesus
and when the Israelites multiply and die during the millennium, they will get resurrected in the second resurrection, (after 1000 years) they too will be raised to spirit and be called saints.
All are saints, Gentile and Jews. The Jews just get there last (2nd resurrection)
whilst the gentile christians recieved their spiritual body first (first resurrection)Quote this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
By the time this part happens, the second resurrection has already taken place. All that Christ has done here on this earth has been accomplished. All will be spirit, or thrown into the lake of fire. All the good are one now, and will presented to God. Christ will now be subjected to the Father, and hand the kingdom back, and God will be in charge.
Heavenly Jerusalem is the last prophecy.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 18 2012,17:37) Quote even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
Pierre, everything is said already (written) but not all fulfilled.Quote understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Yes we know that Pierre. The scriptures say that Israel rejected their messiah, so salvation went out to the gentiles, then, will go back to IsraelRomans 11:25 …..until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant with unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes (Israel): but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes
The gentiles who follow Christ will be raised to spirit at Christ's second coming.
The Israelites that are brought back from the dead, will be raised into only flesh. Big difference.
The saints will be teaching them,
as the saints will be ruling with Jesus
and when the Israelites multiply and die during the millennium, they will get resurrected in the second resurrection, (after 1000 years) they too will be raised to spirit and be called saints.
All are saints, Gentile and Jews. The Jews just get there last (2nd resurrection)
whilst the gentile christians recieved their spiritual body first (first resurrection)Quote this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
By the time this part happens, the second resurrection has already taken place. All that Christ has done here on this earth has been accomplished. All will be spirit, or thrown into the lake of fire. All the good are one now, and will presented to God. Christ will now be subjected to the Father, and hand the kingdom back, and God will be in charge.
Heavenly Jerusalem is the last prophecy.
j42Ezek;37 as been fulfilled with the coming of Christ ,with the call of the apostles and later the 144k still number not complete got more among the gentiles ,wen all is done then the second pen of sheep are called in ,the ones that will live on the earth ,what does the name of ISRAEL MEAN???
the end spoken in Daniel is the end of the Jewish Moses way of live that came to an end in 70 AD Israel and Jerusalem have corrupt them selves for centuries ,but this was the time that God as put apart for their punishment Math;24,Luc 21;Mark ;13;
the crime that they have made them selves guilty of was to put to dead the son of God ,a Innocent man ,this is why Jesus said to some women on his way to Golgotha “do not lament for me but for your selves for what is coming to you and Jerusalem ”
after Christ dead the new call was now open to all men ,the Jews ad given up their rights to be in the kingdom of God and so it was given to others.
Ge 27:34 When Esau heard his father’s words, he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and said to his father, “Bless me—me too, my father!”
Ge 27:35 But he said, “Your brother came deceitfully and took your blessing.”
Ge 27:36 Esau said, “Isn’t he rightly named Jacob ? He has deceived me these two times: He took my birthright, and now he’s taken my blessing!” Then he asked, “Haven’t you reserved any blessing for me?”
Ge 27:37 Isaac answered Esau, “I have made him lord over you and have made all his relatives his servants, and I have sustained him with grain and new wine. So what can I possibly do for you, my son?”
Ge 27:38 Esau said to his father, “Do you have only one blessing, my father? Bless me too, my father!” Then Esau wept aloud.LIKE ESAU THEY HAVE HAD NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS HAPPEN ,AND SO THEY LOST THEIR BIRTH RIGHT,AND NOW IT IS THE GENTILES THAT WITH A PURE HEART ENTER AND TAKE THE VACANT SEAT IN HEAVEN,
ON ERATH THE JEWS HAVE BEEN LOWERED DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE GENTILES ,THE DOOR IS THE SAME FOR ALL CHRIST,
MANY PARABOLES WERE SAID BY JESUS ON THIS ,
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Ro 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
Ro 11:8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day.”
Ro 11:9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
Ro 11:10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
WEN YOU READ SCRIPTURES ,UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS NOT WHAT YOU WANT THAT IT SAYS ,
i DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR WILL BE A RECOVERY FOR ALL ,AND ONLY THOSE WHO FAIL WILL BE DESTROYED ,
Quote By the time this part happens, the second resurrection has already taken place. All that Christ has done here on this earth has been accomplished. All will be spirit, or thrown into the lake of fire. All the good are one now, and will presented to God. Christ will now be subjected to the Father, and hand the kingdom back, and God will be in charge.
Heavenly Jerusalem is the last prophecy.the way you talk it seems their will be no one left on earth and yet the Kingdom will rules over the earth why if their is no one
in your view all resurrection are done for judgement and all the saved go to heaven ,I DID NOT SEE THAT IN SCRIPTURES
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2012,13:37) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 18 2012,17:37) Quote even after all is done everyone alive will be still free to worship God or not ,but the reactions would not be tolorated against anyone else ,
Pierre, everything is said already (written) but not all fulfilled.Quote understand that being a JEW does not equal being a SAINT those are two different things
Yes we know that Pierre. The scriptures say that Israel rejected their messiah, so salvation went out to the gentiles, then, will go back to IsraelRomans 11:25 …..until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant with unto them (Israel) when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes (Israel): but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes
The gentiles who follow Christ will be raised to spirit at Christ's second coming.
The Israelites that are brought back from the dead, will be raised into only flesh. Big difference.
The saints will be teaching them,
as the saints will be ruling with Jesus
and when the Israelites multiply and die during the millennium, they will get resurrected in the second resurrection, (after 1000 years) they too will be raised to spirit and be called saints.
All are saints, Gentile and Jews. The Jews just get there last (2nd resurrection)
whilst the gentile christians recieved their spiritual body first (first resurrection)Quote this is why it is the heavely Jerusalem that comes down from heaven to rule,
By the time this part happens, the second resurrection has already taken place. All that Christ has done here on this earth has been accomplished. All will be spirit, or thrown into the lake of fire. All the good are one now, and will presented to God. Christ will now be subjected to the Father, and hand the kingdom back, and God will be in charge.
Heavenly Jerusalem is the last prophecy.
j42Ezek;37 as been fulfilled with the coming of Christ ,with the call of the apostles and later the 144k still number not complete got more among the gentiles ,wen all is done then the second pen of sheep are called in ,the ones that will live on the earth ,what does the name of ISRAEL MEAN???
the end spoken in Daniel is the end of the Jewish Moses way of live that came to an end in 70 AD Israel and Jerusalem have corrupt them selves for centuries ,but this was the time that God as put apart for their punishment Math;24,Luc 21;Mark ;13;
the crime that they have made them selves guilty of was to put to dead the son of God ,a Innocent man ,this is why Jesus said to some women on his way to Golgotha “do not lament for me but for your selves for what is coming to you and Jerusalem ”
after Christ dead the new call was now open to all men ,the Jews ad given up their rights to be in the kingdom of God and so it was given to others.
Ge 27:34 When Esau heard his father’s words, he burst out with a loud and bitter cry and said to his father, “Bless me—me too, my father!”
Ge 27:35 But he said, “Your brother came deceitfully and took your blessing.”
Ge 27:36 Esau said, “Isn’t he rightly named Jacob ? He has deceived me these two times: He took my birthright, and now he’s taken my blessing!” Then he asked, “Haven’t you reserved any blessing for me?”
Ge 27:37 Isaac answered Esau, “I have made him lord over you and have made all his relatives his servants, and I have sustained him with grain and new wine. So what can I possibly do for you, my son?”
Ge 27:38 Esau said to his father, “Do you have only one blessing, my father? Bless me too, my father!” Then Esau wept aloud.LIKE ESAU THEY HAVE HAD NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS HAPPEN ,AND SO THEY LOST THEIR BIRTH RIGHT,AND NOW IT IS THE GENTILES THAT WITH A PURE HEART ENTER AND TAKE THE VACANT SEAT IN HEAVEN,
ON ERATH THE JEWS HAVE BEEN LOWERED DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE GENTILES ,THE DOOR IS THE SAME FOR ALL CHRIST,
MANY PARABOLES WERE SAID BY JESUS ON THIS ,
Ro 11:5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
Ro 11:7 What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
Ro 11:8 as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes so that they could not see
and ears so that they could not hear,
to this very day.”
Ro 11:9 And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
Ro 11:10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”Ro 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
WEN YOU READ SCRIPTURES ,UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS NOT WHAT YOU WANT THAT IT SAYS ,
i DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR WILL BE A RECOVERY FOR ALL ,AND ONLY THOSE WHO FAIL WILL BE DESTROYED ,
Quote By the time this part happens, the second resurrection has already taken place. All that Christ has done here on this earth has been accomplished. All will be spirit, or thrown into the lake of fire. All the good are one now, and will presented to God. Christ will now be subjected to the Father, and hand the kingdom back, and God will be in charge.
Heavenly Jerusalem is the last prophecy.the way you talk it seems their will be no one left on earth and yet the Kingdom will rules over the earth why if their is no one
in your view all resurrection are done for judgement and all the saved go to heaven ,I DID NOT SEE THAT IN SCRIPTURES
Terra.You really boggle my mind?
In the 1000yr kingdom there will be flesh,and spirit saints.
How do you explain this using your doctrine?
wakeup.
wup
Quote Terra. You really boggle my mind?
In the 1000yr kingdom there will be flesh,and spirit saints.
How do you explain this using your doctrine?
wakeup.
the 1000 years of Christ without Satan ,is similar to the Israelites entering the promised land ,please refresh your memory on that event ,it is important ,
and yes the first resurrection will take place within the 1000 years, and later the 1000 years the second resurrection and then Satan will be released of his prison.and so the second resurrected people will be tested through the name of Christ ,
THE EARTH WILL ALWAYS BE FULL OF LIVE AND PEOPLE
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