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To all……..Question is, was Jesus raised with the body he now has, I for one believe he was and still has the exact DNA he had while on this earth. GOD DID NOT CREATE FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN BEING TO DIE AND THEY COULD HAVE LIVE FOREVE WITH THOSE BODY, IF THEY HAD EATEN OF THE “TREEE OF LIVE”, Just as God in Genesis SAID they could have and never died. The tree of life can maintain our bodies and those who will be given to eat from it will live forever, “now if the spirit of God abide in you he will quicken (bring back to life) your mortal (dead) BODY.”
PLEASE NOTICE IT DID NOT SAY, A (NEW BODY) BUT YOUR DEAD (MORTAL) BODY. Now if it says your mortal bodies then the DNA has to match the body that died, RIGHT?
peace and love to you all and yours…………………gene
Nick,
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That is logic??
No just fact
Logic is a form of reasoning used to reach a sound and valid conclusion based on the facts. It is a tool to test if a teaching is broken.
Scripture does not condemn it but you do. In doing so you condemn those sons of God that use it in Scripture. Instead of realizing your error when this is pointed out to you, you attempt to make exceptions to your own word in order to justify your own non-scriptural opinion.
Nick,
Hi KW,
That is logic??
No just fact
Deriving one fact from other facts is logic.
Jesus was resurrected from the dead is the premise.
As long as at least one individual is raised from the dead there is a resurrection.
At least one individual, Jesus, was raised from the dead ergo there is a resurrection.Nick…….The word eat and drink, can also be used as a Idiom , meaning (to take to one’s self) , just as it is used in Genesis regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Jesus used it to show that we all must take his “sacrifice” of his flesh and blood body for our sins, and apply it, by excepting it ourselves individually, because that is what you do when you eat and drink something, Surely you know this brother.
Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Nick……..do you honestly think Jesus meant Weare to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood. I am relying on the truth of what Jesus meant. Why can’t you see that Nick?
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Hi GB,
Now the Lord is the Spirit.
If he was still limited by earthly flesh he could not live in all his brothers.Nick
So truth is not truth unless it can pass your idiom filter?
WE have a teacher thanksWe were talking about you non-Scriptural belief that some reasoning comes from the flesh nature and switched to the the non-Scriptural belief that Jesus did not use certain types of expressions in his language.
What you believe about either issue is not in Scripture and what is in Scripture contradicts your beliefs. Strive to bring you doctrine on solid ground.
Nick,
Now the Lord is the Spirit.
If he was still limited by earthly flesh he could not live in all his brothers.2 Corinthians 3:15-18New English Translation (NET Bible)
15 But until this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds, 16 but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is present, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
I assume you reason the Lord in the passage you are referencing is Jesus.
Jesus though does say he is the Advocate, though he is an Advocate. He instead calls the Spirit another Advocate as it is written:
John 14:16New English Translation (NET Bible)
16 Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—
Either Jesus is not the Spirit or the Spirit is not another Advocate.
As you have revealed your teaching therefore is broken. If you have more to revel then please do so.
Hi KW,
That is not the issue.
It is your self appointment as a truth filter according to your human views.Let scripture speak without human interference
Hi KW,
Read the book of John again.
The other advocate is the Spirit of truth, of the Father.One in the Spirit
WE WILL COME TO YOU
NICK……… The Lord mentioned there is not Jesus, it is referencing the LORD GOD, not the human lord Jesus the anointed man of God, who was anointed with the Spirit of the Lord (YAHWEH). YOU HAVE NOT YET LEARNED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LORD OR Lord ( adonia) meaning God the Father, and the lord (adoni) the man Jesus, who is not the spirit at all, BUT A MAN WHO RECEIVED THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD.
He had that spirit “in” him while he was on this earth as a flesh and blood human being, he was not a spirit before his body resurrection nor was he a spirit after his resurrection , that is if you believe what Jesus himself said. He clearly said he was not a spirit but flesh and bone, you can just believe him or you rendition of what you say he is, a spirit. Which is not flesh and bone. Have it your way, but scripture gives you no support. No scripture says Jesus is a Spirit of any kind, At least not that I have read anyway.
Peace And love to you and yours………………….gene
Nick,
Hi KW,
Read the book of John again.
The other advocate is the Spirit of truth, of the Father.One in the Spirit
WE WILL COME TO YOU
I am not sure where you are coming from but it sounds like you attempting to use reason. There is in God, there is one Lord, who is Jesus, there is one body, who are believers, and there is one unifies them. God lives in believers through his Spirit. There is only one Spirit and it is clear that Spirit is not Jesus as he is the one Lord.
Ephesians 4:3-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This is the same Spirit that Jesus call another Advocate.
Gene,
2 Corinthians 3:17
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom.You may well be correct as the Aramaic Bible in Plain English literally states that.
Kerwin……. That is correct, where it says “it was Christ that followed the children of
Israel in the wilderness, it was not talking about Jesus, but the CHRISTOS (anointing spirit of God ), it was the anointing spirit that was on Moses and the seventy elders and Joshua and caleb, it was God who is the spirit, the CHRISTOS (anointing spirit of God) following and guiding Israel.Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
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