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- September 19, 2014 at 12:33 pm#770804
NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
Odd how they all saw the same vision.
You think it didn’t happen?
September 19, 2014 at 12:34 pm#770805NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
Should we check with you to decide if a person is human?
September 19, 2014 at 2:35 pm#770823kerwin
ParticipantNick,
A ghost is part of a human. A ghost is also called a spirit. If you were to call a ghost a human then they would be the man from heaven as they are not made of earth.
I am going by your interpretation and not mine.
I do not think it was a vision but some do because Jesus called it a vision. Peter speaks of it as if it were an actual event.
September 19, 2014 at 3:08 pm#770831NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
So ghosts do not have bodies but are human?
September 19, 2014 at 3:22 pm#770833kerwin
ParticipantNick,
To me they are incomplete humans but Scripture calls the the spirit the inner human and the flesh the outer human. It may also do the same with the soul. The outer human came first and then the inner human came. Paul does this in Romans 7 and again in 2 Corinthians 4.
September 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm#770855NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
Is an incomplete human a human?
September 19, 2014 at 10:42 pm#770872kerwin
ParticipantNick,
2 Corinthians 4:16Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
I personally believe it is a way of speech but perhaps you believe different.
September 20, 2014 at 5:55 am#770895NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
It is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me.
A way of speech?
Is this another trick you use to not believe scripture?
September 20, 2014 at 8:55 am#770905kerwin
ParticipantNick,
I was asking you what you understand. Your response was not productive.
September 20, 2014 at 10:32 am#770925NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
The Spirit of Christ creates a new heart and mind in those who live in him
Tis does not relate to the new body awaiting us.
September 20, 2014 at 11:55 am#770926kerwin
ParticipantNick,
I agree with that interpretation but the the part that relates is Paul using two men to express the idea. One man is the outward man and the second man is the inward man.
I attributed Paul’s use to a way of speech and you seem to object.
September 20, 2014 at 12:18 pm#770928NickHassan
ParticipantHi KW,
Yes the outer man is of dust.
To be replaced.
Yes you seem to find a variety of ways to avoid believing what is written.
September 20, 2014 at 3:00 pm#770954kerwin
ParticipantNick,
We are not speaking of what is written. We are speaking of the way is written. Why are avoiding addressing that issue?
September 21, 2014 at 6:28 am#771099GeneBalthrop
ParticipantThe spirit of CHRIST in scriptures IS referencing THE ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD, WHO WAS WITH THE MAN JESUS. IT is the same spirit that spoke “through” the prophets,and that was following Israel in the wilderness, the same spirit that was on Moses and Joshua, Caleb, the seventy elders, and God the Father, is in all his SAINTS, by that same anointing spirit. That spirit is how we become adopted children of God, just as Jesus was.
“KNOW YOU NOT THAT YOUR “BODY” IS THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD, and where ever God’s spirit is so is he.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE AND THE SAME THING, they ARE SPIRIT. “ONE GOD who is ALL, AND “IN” ALL”, BY THAT SAME ANOINTING SPIRIT.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
October 2, 2014 at 4:10 pm#778571NickHassan
ParticipantHi GB,
Why do you use SPIRIT here and not your own word INTELLECT?October 3, 2014 at 5:47 am#778605GeneBalthrop
ParticipantNick…….I realize you don’t believe God is intellegent, in fact you seem to have no idea what a spirit is at
all, even though scripture is full of explaining the word, words are expression of intellects and Jesus said the words he was speaking to us are spirit and life so try to put it together if you can. It might be to hard for you, so I will just use spirit , for spirits from now on OK.Peace and love to you and yours…………gene
October 3, 2014 at 7:15 am#778610NickHassan
ParticipantHi GB,
But these are your teachings, not those of scripture.
Are you greater than scripture?
October 3, 2014 at 7:28 am#778611NickHassan
ParticipantHi GB,
I believe God is not intelligent?
What a false accusation.
But it is not bright to add to God’s teachings.
October 4, 2014 at 2:47 am#778723GeneBalthrop
ParticipantNick……sorry what you believe, but if anyone is intellegent it surly is God, I am not saying that is ALL God is, but to think spirits are not intellegent and transmit their intellects to us is a complete denial of what scripture shows spirits as,spirits give us our cognativity and if that is not transferring intellects, I don’t know what is. Nick, Why don’t you give us your idea of what a spirit is, seening you believe spirits are not intellegent.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
October 8, 2014 at 8:36 am#779767NickHassan
ParticipantHi GB,
These are unspiritual teachings you offer.
Why compete with scripture?Do you have special gnostic knowledge?
If the final resurrection is to earth why is Jesus in heaven?
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