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Nick…..Ok, at least we know we are together on that, now what I would like to know is why do you think our, present “TYPE” OF BODY WITH THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN IT COULD NOT LIVE FOREVER? PLEASE BE SPECIFIC, remember I am talking about the same “TYPE” OF PHYSICAL BODIES WE NOW HAVE only regenerated and sustained by the spirit of life. Could not have Adam have lived forever with the physical body God originally gave him?
God himself said he could have, so how do you differ from what God himself said brother?peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Nick,
Hi KW,
Tell me of the cases or resuscitation after this length of time you know of.
20 minutes is not rare.
You are not impressed by the works of God?
Where did I or scriprure say spiritual bodies are composed of spirit?
God is still working and there have been case of several days. The woman was Li Xiufeng of China and after the fact doctors believe she had suffered what is called an artificial death where there is no breath but the body remains warm. She is the only one who seems to suffer from it. Most of them are shorter as most people are buried by that time.
Nick,
Hi KW,
WE are speaking of BODIES not PERSONS.
The rest is of your imagination.
Start again
We are speaking of words. More specifically the adjectives “natural” and “Spiritual” They just happen to be used to describe two different subject in 1 Corinthians. The first subject being persons and the second being bodies.
My conclusion also echoes the words of Romans 8:20-21 while yours come from thin air.
Hi KW,
So using logic you twist the scriptures to make it seem that a body type is determined by what moves it?
Nick,
Hi KW,
You compare dried up relics with a man dead over two days and deny a miracle?
Some are and some are not. God is living in active. He did not tell me why he desired to have some bodies preserved and how he chose to preserve each one. He just did it and I bear witness of that.
Nick,
So using logic you twist the scriptures to make it seem that a body type is determined by what moves it?
I merely use reasoning to comprehend the message of Scripture. I do this because of my preference to hear a few words of God with understanding rather than a multitude without.
Do you also seek to understand the truth?
Hi KW,
Do you think it is wise to MERELY USE REASONING to adjust the sacred book?
You seem to add and take away freely despite the warnings in scripture against such things.
Nick,
Do you think it is wise to MERELY USE REASONING to adjust the sacred book?
I think it is wise to use reasoning to comprehend Scripture. I believe it is foolish not to use reasoning to comprehend Scripture.
You seem to add and take away freely despite the warnings in scripture against such things.
I am not the one that pulled the definitions for either natural or spiritual out of the air. I used the definition for each that is already in Scripture and then pointed out that my conclusions echo what is already written in Scripture.
Nick,
So are you claiming that you do not know what the adjectives “natural” and “spiritual” mean in Scripture?
Nick,
It is not a personal interpretation as it is derived employing the same type of reason Jesus used to prove that there is a resurrection to come. The conclusion I came with also matches the words of Romans 8.
If my reason unlike Jesus’ is flawed then it means my conclusion cannot be trusted. But I see and have heard from you no real evidence that it is flawed.
If you believe what Romans 8 says about creation then you would believe my conclusion as they happen to be the same exception Romans 8 is speaking about creation in general and I am only speaking of the specific creation that is the body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 does not tell us what either the natural or Spiritual bodies are composed of because that is not what Paul is addressing just like in Romans 8:20-21 Paul is not addressing what creation is composed of.
In short the adjective spiritual in 1 Corinthians 15:44 is not speaking of a body composed of spirit and so there is no mention of a body composed of spirit in Scripture. The teaching that there is a body composed of spirit is a teaching of men and not of God. It is a teaching that humans support by giving the words spiritual and natural the definitions they choose instead of the ones God already supplies in Scripture.
Kerwin…….Good point, but Nick said clearly, he did not believe in a “spirit body” of anykind, so in this I think we all agree. What I would like to hear from him is how he views God’s created human bodies as some kind of inferior creation. I think that may be his hang up. I really don’t believe we are all that much apart.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Gene,
.Good point, but Nick said clearly, he did not believe in a “spirit body” of anykind, so in this I think we all agree.
Then there must have been a misunderstanding.
What I would like to hear from him is how he views God’s created human bodies as some kind of inferior creation.
That is a belief of the Gnostic, some of who believe that God created a corrupt creation as only the spiritual is not corrupt.
He knows God said the creation of humanity was very good.
Hi ,
THERE ARE NATURAL BODIES AND SPIRITUAL BODIES.
THE PERISHABLE CANNOT INHERIT THE IMPERISHABLE
We will all be changed
Nick,
There is no problem agreeing with those words nor is there a problem admitting that the present flesh body creation is subject to corruption since it is a part of creation that Scripture states is subject to corruption and therefore perishable. The difficulty you seem to experience is believing it can be freed from being perishable and so made imperishable. When freed from corruption is and the rest of creation will inherit the rest of creation and Jesus’ resurrection is a testimony of that.
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