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Jesus said that He would raise Himself from the dead.
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.In verse 19 Jesus CLEARLY said that He would raise up the temple of His body. Innovative attempts have been made here by several of you to explain the clear meaning of this away. A more valid attemppt was made recently by JustAskin inwhich he noted that verse 22 says that many translations say that Jesus was raised from the dead. The verb ἠγέρθη “was raised” is indeed written in the passive form. But as an intransitive verb it may be also translated in the active form depending upon context.
Quote In the case of this particular verb it is perhaps worth noting that New Testament texts describing the resurrection of Jesus often use this verb in the aorist form ἠγέρθη which may be understood to mean either “he arose” or “he was raised.” Whether or not the verb should be understood as intransitive (“he arose”) or as passive (“he was raised”) depends wholly upon contextual factors and in some instances may be impossible to determine with any certainty.
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/docs/UndAncGrkVc.pdfPlease note that the source says that the verb may be translated in the active “He arose'' depending upon context. The context CLEARLY indicates that Jesus would raise up the temple of His body. He said, “In three days I willl raise it up.” The new King James Version translates the verb in verse 22 in the active voice so that it agrees with His statement in verse 19:
Therefore, when He had risen from the dead….
THE MIDDLE FORM OF THE VERB
In Mark 9:31 Jesus used the middle form of the verb. The middle voice means that the subject is acting upon himself or themselves. Jesus said,
For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”
Note that the verb is translated in the active voice. But the literal reading would be,
After He is killed He will raise Himself up the third day.
The fact that every single translation renders the middle verb in the active voice is conclusive. Even the NWT which is anti-trinitarian translates the verb in the active voice:
but despite being killed, he will rise three days later
Boom! Even an anti-trinitarian translation renders the middle verb of Mark 9:31 in the active voice!
Anti-trinitarians argue also that the scriptures expressly declare that it is God who raised Jesus from the dead and they are correct. However, they miss that part in the scripture which says that God raised Jesus from the dead BECAUSE it was not possible for death to hold Him:
…whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, BECAUSE it was not possible that He should be held by it. Acts 2:24
There it is! God raised Jesus from the dead BECAUSE it was NOT POSSIBLE for Him to be held by it. It was Jesus HIMSELF who abolished death:
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:9
It is our Savior Jesus Christ Himself who abolished death! It is no wonder that when Thomas saw Him he said, “My Lord and my God!”
thinker
Hi TT,
He was raised by the living Spirit of God Who spoke through him in John.
The first man to receive the promise that is now open to you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:01) Hi TT,
He was raised by the living Spirit of God Who spoke through him in John.
The first man to receive the promise that is now open to you.
That's it Nick? You offer no reply to the evidence?thinker
Hi TT,
What evidence?You just use what you can to try to justify man's dogmas.
You have not read the verses telling how he was raised by God's Spirit?
He could do nothing except by the power of God but you think he raised himself from the dead??Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:31) Hi TT,
What evidence?You just use what you can to try to justify man's dogmas.
You have not read the verses telling how he was raised by God's Spirit?
He could do nothing except by the power of God but you think he raised himself from the dead??
So Jesus' statement “In three days I will raise it (my body) up” is not evidence?No Nick! You just don't want to interact with the scriptures that contradict your “dogma.” Why do you speak to people here as if they are stupid?
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,11:50) Hi TT,
You think the Word of God, the greatest mouthpiece of God, spoke on his own behalf here?
Huh what? The Son of God could raise up the body of Lazarus and of the damsel but not His own body?
thinker
Hi TT,
So now it is just his body?
God was in him doing all the miracles.
He could do nothing of miraculous nature on his ownHi TT,
Peter and Paul and Elisha raised men from the dead.
Should they have been able to raise themselves too by your logic?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,12:08) Hi TT,
So now it is just his body?
God was in him doing all the miracles.
He could do nothing of miraculous nature on his own
So He did raise Himself then by His oneness with His Father? Right?thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,12:13) Hi TT,
Peter and Paul and Elisha raised men from the dead.
Should they have been able to raise themselves too by your logic?
Peter and Paul and Elisha raised men from the dead by God's power. Jesus raised men from the dead by HIS OWN POWER but under His Father's direction.Jesus never said that He did His works on His Father's power. He said that He did them on His Father's authority.
Of course He is exalted now and acts on His own authority.
Feeble attempt to stump me Nick. I am thethinker!
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,12:27) Hi TT,
The Son could do nothing of himself.
Lie Nick! Jesus could (past tense) do nothing of Himself. It meant that He could not act on His own authority. It does not mean that He did not possess the power within Himself.In His exalted position He acts on His own.
You still have not answered the scriptures in the opening post to this thread.
thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 26 2010,12:33) TT,
And you say to me 'why do you call yourself JustAskin'?
I think but you don't ask.thinker
TT,
Even when you yourself quote a verse stating that 'God raised him up…' you still going to state that he did it himself.
Without listing them, how many other verses state that Jesus raised himself, how many state that Gid raised him up? Don't answer if you feel the pressure, just do it vor yourself.
Jesus said he would rebuild 'this' temple. What exactly does this mean.
If Jesus raised himself, then God is lying? Think about it?
Nick, i will leave you and TT to thrash this out.
To me, is a nonentity question and is only here for TT to try and gain sympathy for his obsession.
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 26 2010,12:30) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2010,12:13) Hi TT,
Peter and Paul and Elisha raised men from the dead.
Should they have been able to raise themselves too by your logic?
Peter and Paul and Elisha raised men from the dead by God's power. Jesus raised men from the dead by HIS OWN POWER but under His Father's direction.Jesus never said that He did His works on His Father's power. He said that He did them on His Father's authority.
Of course He is exalted now and acts on His own authority.
Feeble attempt to stump me Nick. I am thethinker!
thinker
thinker……Jesus never did a miracle in his life not did and of the apostles either, for that matter (ONLY GOD THE FATHER) IS THE (ONLY) MIRACLE WORKER THERE EVER WAS AND IS. God plainly said he gives (HIS) GLORY to (NO) MAN> The Trinity teachings has deluded you thinking. Jesus said he could do (NOTHING) of Himself. What part of that you don't understand, your not listening tho what Jesus Himself said. IMO
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