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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,14:19) Mike,
If Adam had a son and named him Adam after himself (many fathers do this, btw) then Adam begat Adam. See?
But scripture doesn't tell us of any Son of Jehovah that He named “Jehovah”. Scripture tells us God's Son is named “Jesus”, not “Jehovah”, right? To add anything to this is to let our own imagination take over.And Adam's firstborn son was not named “Adam” either. So please address that bolded part again with the knowledge that I am speaking of Adam and Cain.
Mike,
Adam begat Cain.
If you are going to use a proper name in the first instance, then a proper name is fitting for the second instance.If Adam named his son after him, then it would be:
Adam begat Adam.God can be used as a name of the Father and the Son.
God begat God.
Jehovah begat Jehovah
The Father begat the Son.Also, remember Jesus mentioning that the Father gave Him the Father's name?
11“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
Remember how you tried to say that this passage talked about the 'men' that the Father had given Him but I pointed out to you that the 'which' referred to the Father's 'name' which is neuter and singular unlike the 'them' which is plural and masculine?
The Father's name is Jehovah, btw.
Kathi
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52) Pierre,
What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi
Pierre,
I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi
Kathisorry i must have mist it,
well ; Theos his Jehovah
;Jehovah his Theoswhat wrong with this ??
Pierre is president
the President is Pierre
???I do not see nothing wrong ,
Pierre
Pierre,
Please check that for any misspellings. I think you need to remove the 'h' from 'his' to make it 'is.' Would that be correct?Kathi
Kathiyes it is ;;is ;; thanks
Pierre
Well then Pierre,
You would be correct!
Theos is Jehovah.
Jehovah is theos.Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?
Thanks,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,21:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,14:19) Mike,
If Adam had a son and named him Adam after himself (many fathers do this, btw) then Adam begat Adam. See?
But scripture doesn't tell us of any Son of Jehovah that He named “Jehovah”. Scripture tells us God's Son is named “Jesus”, not “Jehovah”, right? To add anything to this is to let our own imagination take over.And Adam's firstborn son was not named “Adam” either. So please address that bolded part again with the knowledge that I am speaking of Adam and Cain.
Mike,
Adam begat Cain.
If you are going to use a proper name in the first instance, then a proper name is fitting for the second instance.If Adam named his son after him, then it would be:
Adam begat Adam.God can be used as a name of the Father and the Son.
God begat God.
Jehovah begat Jehovah
The Father begat the Son.Also, remember Jesus mentioning that the Father gave Him the Father's name?
11“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
Remember how you tried to say that this passage talked about the 'men' that the Father had given Him but I pointed out to you that the 'which' referred to the Father's 'name' which is neuter and singular unlike the 'them' which is plural and masculine?
The Father's name is Jehovah, btw.
Kathi
KathiI have a question for you; why is it that it say for the third son Seth that he his to the image of Adam what about his two previous sons ??
Ge 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
Ge 5:4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughterswhere Cain and Abel not in his image ??
Pierre
Pierre,
I believe that every natural son is the image of his father.Can you answer my question now?
Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?Thanks,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,21:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52) Pierre,
What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi
Pierre,
I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi
Kathisorry i must have mist it,
well ; Theos his Jehovah
;Jehovah his Theoswhat wrong with this ??
Pierre is president
the President is Pierre???I do not see nothing wrong ,
Pierre
Pierre,
Please check that for any misspellings. I think you need to remove the 'h' from 'his' to make it 'is.' Would that be correct?Kathi
Kathiyes it is ;;is ;; thanks
Pierre
Well then Pierre,
You would be correct!
Theos is Jehovah.
Jehovah is theos.Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?
Thanks,
Kathi
Kathiyou know that Christ is the groom ? right ?
and that his redeemed disciples are the bride ? right ?
so who can then be? the husband of an unmaried couple
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,14:22) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,21:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52) Pierre,
What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi
Pierre,
I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi
Kathisorry i must have mist it,
well ; Theos his Jehovah
;Jehovah his Theoswhat wrong with this ??
Pierre is president
the President is Pierre???I do not see nothing wrong ,
Pierre
Pierre,
Please check that for any misspellings. I think you need to remove the 'h' from 'his' to make it 'is.' Would that be correct?Kathi
Kathiyes it is ;;is ;; thanks
Pierre
Well then Pierre,
You would be correct!
Theos is Jehovah.
Jehovah is theos.Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?
Thanks,
Kathi
Kathiyou know that Christ is the groom ? right ?
and that his redeemed disciples are the bride ? right ?
so who can then be? the husband of an unmaried couple
Pierre
Hi Terra.where does it say in scripture that christ is the groom and we are the bride?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2011,07:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,14:22) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,21:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52) Pierre,
What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi
Pierre,
I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi
Kathisorry i must have mist it,
well ; Theos his Jehovah
;Jehovah his Theoswhat wrong with this ??
Pierre is president
the President is Pierre???I do not see nothing wrong ,
Pierre
Pierre,
Please check that for any misspellings. I think you need to remove the 'h' from 'his' to make it 'is.' Would that be correct?Kathi
Kathiyes it is ;;is ;; thanks
Pierre
Well then Pierre,
You would be correct!
Theos is Jehovah.
Jehovah is theos.Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?
Thanks,
Kathi
Kathiyou know that Christ is the groom ? right ?
and that his redeemed disciples are the bride ? right ?
so who can then be? the husband of an unmaried couple
Pierre
Hi Terra.where does it say in scripture that christ is the groom and we are the bride?
wakeup.
hiRev 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride (144k) has made herself ready.
Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”now if some one not called the groom when he will soon to be married ?
we know the Lamb =Christ this is the hour of Christ marriage,
this is the wedding that he told his Mother ,his hour as not yet arrived ,
JN 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus *said to Him, “They have no wine.”
JN 2:4 And Jesus *said to her, “ Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.”Lk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Lk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.now the bride is not US unless you are one of the 144k that are redeemed from the earth ,
so if we are not redeemed then we are on earth that simple,
Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!
see we are invited to the wedding ,that is if we are faithful to Gods will
Pierre
Kathi
are this the scriptures that you have in mind ??
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
GAL 4:27 For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
EPH 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
EPH 5:33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.1TI 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
TIT 1:6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
REV 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.so it clearly say who it is ; but is a bride a married women? and is the husband the name of an unmarried man ?? those are stages in time
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,20:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17) What scholars mention “YHWH the Son” – just out of curiosity?
Mike,
John Gill is who I recall off the top of my head.Kathi
Can you post a BRIEF part of the writing in which he mentions “Jehovah the Son”?Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,21:10) If you are going to use a proper name in the first instance, then a proper name is fitting for the second instance.
And using “God” as a proper name for the Omniscient Creator of all things means we use “Jesus” as the second name. God (the PERSON) beget Jesus. OR……………God (the PERSON) beget A god.Adam (the PERSON) beget Cain. Or………………Adam (the PERSON) beget AN adam.
Get it Kathi? People don't beget THEMSELVES. We have but ONE God Almighty, and He did NOT beget Himself.
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,21:10) Also, remember Jesus mentioning that the Father gave Him the Father's name?
No. I remember us discussing this verse, and figuring out together that it speaks of keeping the ones God gave Jesus safe in His name. As in:
NKJV ©
“Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are .The scripture doesn't say anything about Jesus switching his name to “Jehovah”. His name was “Jesus” on earth, and it was “Jesus” all through the NT – even after he died. He was NEVER referred to as “Jehovah”, or “Jehovah the Son”.
Mike,
Quote No. I remember us discussing this verse, and figuring out together that it speaks of keeping the ones God gave Jesus safe in His name. As in:
NKJV ©
“Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are .
We did not figure out together that the verse was speaking of keeping the ones God gave Jesus, it is speaking of the name. Look it up, the word 'which' is not masculine plural as would be required if it were referring to the men that God gave Jesus. The word 'which' (which is the right translation) is singular and neuter just like the word 'name' is.John 17:11
New International Version (©1984)
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name–the name you gave me–so that they may be one as we are one.New Living Translation (©2007)
Now I am departing from the world; they are staying in this world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, you have given me your name; now protect them by the power of your name so that they will be united just as we are.English Standard Version (©2001)
And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.This is easily proven, Mike. Just look it up in the Greek at biblos.com.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,02:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2011,07:53) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,14:22) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,21:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,22:01) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 28 2011,20:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,20:09) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,22:41) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 22 2011,21:52) Pierre,
What does it mean when the 'theos' is also called Jehovah?Kathi
Pierre,
I don't believe that you answered this question.Kathi
Kathisorry i must have mist it,
well ; Theos his Jehovah
;Jehovah his Theoswhat wrong with this ??
Pierre is president
the President is Pierre???I do not see nothing wrong ,
Pierre
Pierre,
Please check that for any misspellings. I think you need to remove the 'h' from 'his' to make it 'is.' Would that be correct?Kathi
Kathiyes it is ;;is ;; thanks
Pierre
Well then Pierre,
You would be correct!
Theos is Jehovah.
Jehovah is theos.Now tell me who is the husband to the church, the Father or the Son?
Thanks,
Kathi
Kathiyou know that Christ is the groom ? right ?
and that his redeemed disciples are the bride ? right ?
so who can then be? the husband of an unmaried couple
Pierre
Hi Terra.where does it say in scripture that christ is the groom and we are the bride?
wakeup.
hiRev 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride (144k) has made herself ready.
Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”now if some one not called the groom when he will soon to be married ?
we know the Lamb =Christ this is the hour of Christ marriage,
this is the wedding that he told his Mother ,his hour as not yet arrived ,
JN 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus *said to Him, “They have no wine.”
JN 2:4 And Jesus *said to her, “ Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.”Lk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Lk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.now the bride is not US unless you are one of the 144k that are redeemed from the earth ,
so if we are not redeemed then we are on earth that simple,
Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!
see we are invited to the wedding ,that is if we are faithful to Gods will
Pierre
Thank you Terra.Jesus use symbols and parables, we must not get confused,we are the ones invited, and his symbolic wife is holy Jerusalem(heavenly zion) that came down from heaven,prepared AS a bride. MAENING THAT SHE IS LOOKING REALY BEAUTIFUL. Heavenly Zion is Gods woman,his heavenly kingdom coming down to earth; and God will dwell amongst us and we can see him face to face. This is the final plan.
regards.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,10:17) Kathi are this the scriptures that you have in mind ??
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
GAL 4:27 For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
EPH 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
EPH 5:33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.1TI 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
TIT 1:6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
REV 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.so it clearly say who it is ; but is a bride a married women? and is the husband the name of an unmarried man ?? those are stages in time
Pierre
Pierre,
Very good, yes that was the passage I want…Gal 4:27.Here again is the passage:
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
27For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
The free woman is the spiritual Jerusalem…which is the church and the children are the redeemed.
Do you see that?
Kathi
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,20:14) Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 27 2011,20:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2011,20:17) What scholars mention “YHWH the Son” – just out of curiosity?
Mike,
John Gill is who I recall off the top of my head.Kathi
Can you post a BRIEF part of the writing in which he mentions “Jehovah the Son”?
Mike,
John Gill's commentary in part on Isaiah 26:4“Trust in the LORD forever, For in GOD the LORD, we have an everlasting Rock.
Quote Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible Trust ye in the Lord for ever,…. In the Word of the Lord for ever and ever, as the Targum again; that is, at all times, in every state and condition, in times of affliction, temptation, and darkness; for he will support under, and in his own time deliver out of every trouble, and cause all things to work to gether for good; and trust in him always, for everything, for all temporal blessings, and for all spiritual ones, and for eternal life and happiness; for he has them, has promised them, and will give them:
for in the Lord JEHOVAH is everlasting strength; Christ is the Lord JEHOVAH, which is, and was, and is to come, self-existent, eternal, and immutable; and in him is strength, as well as righteousness for his people; and that for everything it is wanted for, to bear up under temptations and afflictions, to withstand every spiritual enemy, to exercise every grace, and discharge every duty: and this strength is everlasting; it always continues in him, and is always to be had from him; he is the “eternal” God, who is the refuge of his people, and his “arms” of power and might “underneath” them are “everlasting”: the words may be rendered, “for in Jah” is “Jehovah, the Rock of ages” (q); Jehovah the Son is in Jehovah the Father, according to John 10:38 or “Jah Jehovah” is “the Rock of ages”, so Vitringa; he is the “Rock” on which the church and every believer is built, against which “the gates of hell cannot prevail”; and he has been the Rock of his people in ages past, and will be in ages to come: or “of worlds”; this world, and that to come; and so it is explained in the Talmud Â, he that trusts in the Lord has a refuge in this world, and in the world to come.
From: http://bible.cc/isaiah/26-4.htm
Kathi
Mike,
you said:Quote And using “God” as a proper name for the Omniscient Creator of all things means we use “Jesus” as the second name. God (the PERSON) beget Jesus. OR……………God (the PERSON) beget A god. Adam (the PERSON) beget Cain. Or………………Adam (the PERSON) beget AN adam.
Get it Kathi? People don't beget THEMSELVES. We have but ONE God Almighty, and He did NOT beget Himself.
Ahhh..but we have two that are called God Mike. One is the Father and the other is the Son. So God the Father begat God the Son. Remember:
Tit 2:13, 14
…while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of “our great God and Savior”, Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for us, “that he (Jesus) might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works”.Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.The Father begat the Son…both are called God yet one is God the Father and the other is God the Son. Two, yet one in regards to their unity.
Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 30 2011,21:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2011,10:17) Kathi are this the scriptures that you have in mind ??
2CO 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.
GAL 4:27 For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”
EPH 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
EPH 5:33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.1TI 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
TIT 1:6 namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
REV 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.so it clearly say who it is ; but is a bride a married women? and is the husband the name of an unmarried man ?? those are stages in time
Pierre
Pierre,
Very good, yes that was the passage I want…Gal 4:27.Here again is the passage:
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
27For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
The free woman is the spiritual Jerusalem…which is the church and the children are the redeemed.
Do you see that?
Kathi
Kathiit is to me in black and withe ,
Pierre
wakeup
Quote Thank you Terra. Jesus use symbols and parables, we must not get confused,we are the ones invited, and his symbolic wife is holy Jerusalem(heavenly zion) that came down from heaven,prepared AS a bride. MAENING THAT SHE IS LOOKING REALY BEAUTIFUL. Heavenly Zion is Gods woman,his heavenly kingdom coming down to earth; and God will dwell amongst us and we can see him face to face. This is the final plan.
regards.
wakeup.
all you is true exept this;; Heavenly Zion is Gods woman the Heavenly women of God is his entire heavely organization including Christ ,this is also HIS KINGDOM, Christ kingdom is the same but with Christ excluded ,do you understand ??
Pierre
And so Pierre, do you also see that the husband of that spiritual Jerusalem who makes the barren woman full with children, is Jesus?
Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 29 2011,21:39) This is easily proven, Mike. Just look it up in the Greek at biblos.com.
Hmmmmm…………But your buddy Gill says, “holy Father, keep, through thine own name, those whom thou hast given me” in his commentary.
Kathi, are we arguing the difference between me saying, “It was Jack WHO drove us to the store” and “It was Jack THAT drove us to the store”?
Clarke agrees with you, but points out, “By the name, here, it is evident that the doctrine or knowledge of the true God is intended; as if our Lord had said, Keep them in that doctrine Which thou hast given me, that they may be one, etc.
Kathi, can you find any reputable commentator that suggests Jesus has been named “Jehovah” based on this verse?
Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 29 2011,22:12) Mike,
John Gill's commentary in part on Isaiah 26:4,Jehovah the Son is in Jehovah the Father,
Okay, thanks. It obviously stands to reason that if someone is blind enough to believe that Jesus IS the God he is the Son of, then they would believe in a “Jehovah the Son” AND a “Jehovah the Father”.I have just never seen it written out by anyone but you before.
Does Gill ever mention “Jehovah the Holy Spirit”?
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