Did God die on the cross

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  • #289143
    Lightenup
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    Irene,
    Explain this:

    Gen 19:24Then Jehovah rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from Jehovah out of the heavens.

    #289144
    NickHassan
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    Hi LU,
    Well the second reflects and enlarges the first showing it was from the heavens.
    If not there is another Jehovah responsible for raining down sulphur.

    Do you think this is likely?

    #289148
    Lightenup
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2012,14:32)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,23:21)
    How is He Lord of all but not Lord of all?


    Kathi,

    How has “everything” been put under Jesus' feet when “everything” truly hasn't been put under his feet?

    1 Cor 15:27 spells it out that everything WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOD HIMSELF is under the feet of Jesus.

    Likewise, Jesus is Lord over all WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOD HIMSELF, who is truly Lord over all – including over Jesus.


    Mike,
    The Father and the Son are together our one God and one Lord. Jehovah is the God of gods and the Lord of lords.

    For us we have one God and one Lord.

    Nothing has power over the Father and the Son now but not all believe that. One day, the Father will cause all to know that and the Son will be recognized for who He is as Lord of all. Those things that the Father will put under His feet are not now lord over the Son and thus more powerful. They just don't bow their knee to the Son yet. One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

    Jesus is Lord of all and always has been since creation…some just don't acknowledge that though.

    #289149
    Lightenup
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    Yes Nick, it is likely. When the Bible refers to Jehovah being one, it is in regards to a unity called Jehovah consisting of more than one person as I understand it.

    Jehovah = God of gods and Lord of lords.

    Jesus is the Lord of lords…for us there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Rev 17:14
    They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings–and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

    #289153
    NickHassan
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    Hi LU,
    Sounds like catholic dogma to me.

    #289154
    NickHassan
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    Hi LU,
    You say
    “The Father and the Son are together our one God and one Lord.”

    No

    That is fanciful stuff

    #289199
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Really Nick??

    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

    #289200
    NickHassan
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    Hi Lu,
    True.
    An order of authority.
    Serve the Lord and you will serve his God.

    #289220
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2012,23:42)
    Nothing has power over the Father and the Son now but not all believe that.


    I agree that nothing has power over the Father – nor has anything EVER had power over Him.

    BUT…………………….

    Can the same be said about the Son?  (John 14:28, 1 Cor 11:3, Romans 6:9, etc.)

    #289222
    mikeboll64
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    Kathi,

    To expand on Nick's last sentence:

    Serve your God by also serving the ones He appoints as Lords over us.  Jesus is the highest of the Lords God has appointed, but at least 12 others will rule with him as Lords over us as well.  We will serve them all, because in doing so, we will be serving the One who appointed them over us in the first place.

    #289256
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Nick and Mike,
    The Father and the Son are inseparable. Nothing has power over the Father and the Son. The Father doesn't have power over the Son, He has power with the Son and visa versa. The are one in unity.

    #289257
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,
    Inseparable but not one and the same.

    #289260
    Lightenup
    Participant

    True Nick, they are together our God and Lord.

    #289261
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2012,16:06)
    The Father doesn't have power over the Son…………….


    That is akin to blasphemy, Kathi. Do you not believe the scriptures I listed for you in my last post? ???

    #289262
    NickHassan
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    Hi LU,
    No the Son is at the RIGHT HAND of his God.

    #289308
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Nick,
    The Son is the power and wisdom of God, He is the arm of Jehovah.

    If the Son IS the power and wisdom of God, how is it that you say that the power of God is greater than the Son?

    Mike,

    I looked at your scriptures, they say nothing about power.

    #289312
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2012,18:35)
    Mike,

    I looked at your scriptures, they say nothing about power.


    Okay Kathi.

    God is the head of Christ, but in your mind that means they're equals.

    The Father is greater than Christ and all, but in your mind “greater than” means “equal to”.

    Whatever.

    #289315
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Mike,
    It doesn't say greater 'in power' does it?

    #289359
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,
    acts 10.38
    Says the Nazarene was anointed with POWER

    #289362
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2012,18:59)
    Mike,
    It doesn't say greater 'in power' does it?


    K

    you most be joking ,just go to your boss and see if he would agree with you

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