Determinism

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,10:00)

Terriaricca……….So why don't you try it for a change i am sure we would all appreciate it here. peace and love……………….gene

gene

if you show truth i and all the others will see it

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
You said this
Hi Everyone, I'm in the we all preexisted camp.

Our Preexistence

2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began, (John 15:27)

“The Word” in us!

John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 12:24 But “The word” of God grew and multiplied.

More evidence:

Jer.1:5 Before I(YHVH) formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I(YHVH) ordained thee(Jeremiah) a prophet unto the nations.

Those twice dead

Jude:1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of
winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.”

Does that mean you are a determinist?

Christ Jesus [the Word] is the Key to the first verse as he is the same yesterday and forever but those who are saved through him are not necessarily appointed yet.

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
God knows the future and He knows those who will respond to grace but this does not mean we are to be fatalistic and have the attitude that we can't fight city hall.

[terraricca]

All

If you do not understand free will ,may be you can understand determinism

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2010,10:39)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,10:00) Terriaricca……….So why don't you try it for a change i am sure we would all appreciate it here. peace and love……………….gene gene if you show truth i and all the others will see it Pierre

Terricca………..Did they “ALL” see the Truth Jesus was teaching?

peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

[kerwin]

To all,

Jehovah created us all; so what part of us did not originally come from God?

It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darkness.  A human first becomes a living soul when Jehovah breaths the breath into him.  Is it a random chance that one pants for the Water of Christ while the other the corrupted water of humanity or design?  What does our maker, the on who made us on his wheel, state about this?  

Jehovah knows all things; even those free choices we will make before we make them.  The future and the present are as past to him.  All three are written in diamond.  

Jehovah is our creator; the one who determines when and where we will be conceived, revealed, live, and die.  He knows the free choices we will make; even random ones.   Like a chess master, Knowing those free choices he places us on a board with others whose free choices he also knows.  Like an artist conducting a dance knowing which way the dancers will move and using their free choice to accomplish his righteous work.  

All happens as he suffers it to happen knowing his loving plan will succeed and all those that can be saved will be saved while those who are doomed to destruction will be destroyed.

[terraricca]

k

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It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darkness

what you mean by that ?

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,01:46)

k Quote It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darkness what you mean by that ?

T,

Psalm 42:1
King James Version (KJV)

42 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

Matthew 5:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

John 3:19
King James Version (KJV)

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 27 2012,00:53)

Quote (terraricca @ July 01 2010,10:39) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2010,10:00) Terriaricca……….So why don't you try it for a change i am sure we would all appreciate it here. peace and love……………….gene gene if you show truth i and all the others will see it Pierre Terricca………..Did they “ALL” see the Truth Jesus was teaching? peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene

G

all the once that were looking for did

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,02:39)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,01:46) k Quote It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darkness what you mean by that ? T, Psalm 42:1 King James Version (KJV) 42 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Matthew 5:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. John 3:19 King James Version (KJV) 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

K

I do not see that in those scriptures ,because the scriptures only relate the wants that only some people may wanted ,

so it is not the soul of humans that is here in question ,but the emotion of wills in men ,our soul his the recording tape of it all,

[kerwin]

T,

“so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,09:52)

T, “so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device.

K

Is it How???

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,10:47)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,09:52) T, “so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device. K Is it How???

T,

It is not but it is the characteristic of a soul.  That is why I stated soul's either love righteousness or love darkness.  

The only recording device I know of is Jehovah; for it is he that remembers or not our actions.  

Jeremiah 14:10
King James Version (KJV)

10 Thus saith the Lord unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the Lord doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.

Psalm 25:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O Lord.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,14:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,10:47) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,09:52) T, “so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device. K Is it How??? T, It is not but it is the characteristic of a soul.  That is why I stated soul's either love righteousness or love darkness.   The only recording device I know of is Jehovah; for it is he that remembers or not our actions.   Jeremiah 14:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Thus saith the Lord unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the Lord doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins. Psalm 25:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O Lord.

K

This too you have it wrong,read your own scriptures you quote me here,

Ask your self what make a soul be worthy of salvation while another is not,

[kerwin]

T,

The soul that pants after God is worthy while the soul that does not is not worthy.

The soul that is worthy struggles against the spirit of humanity as the human spirit fall short of God's glory.

The soul that is unworthy does not struggle against the spirit of humanity as they have in mind the things of man, and not of God.

Anyone who sins is a servant of sin, whether worthy or unworthy. Who can set them free?

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2012,06:31)

T, The soul that pants after God is worthy while the soul that does not is not worthy. The soul that is worthy struggles against the spirit of humanity as the human spirit fall short of God's glory. The soul that is unworthy does not struggle against the spirit of humanity as they have in mind the things of man, and not of God. Anyone who sins is a servant of sin, whether worthy or unworthy.  Who can set them free?

K

I do not see Soul in those scriptures

[kerwin]

T,

I am building my conversation on Psalms 42:1, which are the words of a worthy man and which do mention “soul”

Psalm 42:1
King James Version (KJV)

1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

From those words and from Matthew 5:6 as well as John 3:19 I can determine the soul of a worth man hungers and thirst for righteousness while the soul of an unworthy man does the opposite; which is to say loves darkness.  
Jeremiah 14:10 and Psalms 25:7 tie into these based on whether the subject/speaker is a worthy/unworthy man and teaching us about being worthy.

I also referred to other scriptures such as the one that states we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  Line upon line, precept upon precept Scripture holds together as one teaching.

Note: replaced the 42 that the bible gateway copy of the KJV has instead of 1 beginning the first verse with 1.

[terraricca]

k

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I am building my conversation on

so you do now believe you are God and have the soul of God

I am glad you building but tell me how does have a PANTHING SOUL

AND PLEASE SHOW ME A COPY OF VERSE 42

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,06:12)

k Quote I am building my conversation on so you do now believe you are God and have the soul of God I am glad you building but tell me how does have a PANTHING SOUL AND PLEASE SHOW ME A COPY OF VERSE 42

T,

It is not verse 42 it is chapter 42 verse 1.  The KJV convention in the quote I used is to start a chapter by its chapter number and not 1.   I can see where it can be confusing.

Psalm 42:1
King James Version (KJV)

1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

I do not believe I have the soul of God.  I have a human soul; but my soul hopes to do all Jehovah commands.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2012,17:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,06:12) k Quote I am building my conversation on so you do now believe you are God and have the soul of God I am glad you building but tell me how does have a PANTHING SOUL AND PLEASE SHOW ME A COPY OF VERSE 42 T, It is not verse 42 it is chapter 42 verse 1.  The KJV convention in the quote I used is to start a chapter by its chapter number and not 1.   I can see where it can be confusing. Psalm 42:1 King James Version (KJV) 1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. I do not believe I have the soul of God.  I have a human soul; but my soul hopes to do all Jehovah commands.

K

I apologies it is me that looked in Issiah instead of Spalm.

Ps 42:1 As the deer pants for streams of water,
so my soul pants for you, O God.
Ps 42:2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God.
When can I go and meet with God?
Ps 42:3 My tears have been my food
day and night,
while men say to me all day long,
“Where is your God?”
Ps 42:4 These things I remember
as I pour out my soul:
how I used to go with the multitude,
leading the procession to the house of God,
with shouts of joy and thanksgiving
among the festive throng.

Ps 42:5 Why are you downcast, O my soul?
Why so disturbed within me?
Put your hope in God,
for I will yet praise him,
my Savior and
Ps 42:6 my God.

My soul is downcast within me;
therefore I will remember you
from the land of the Jordan,
the heights of Hermon—from Mount Mizar.
Ps 42:7 Deep calls to deep
in the roar of your waterfalls;
all your waves and breakers
have swept over me.

Ps 42:8 By day the LORD directs his love,
at night his song is with me—
a prayer to the God of my life.

Ps 42:9 I say to God my Rock,
“Why have you forgotten me?
Why must I go about mourning,
oppressed by the enemy?”
Ps 42:10 My bones suffer mortal agony
as my foes taunt me,
saying to me all day long,
“Where is your God?”

so ALL THOSE WORDS ARE FOR CHRIST AND AS BEEN FULLFILLED ,

AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WRONG BUT IF YOU READ THIS OVER AND OVER YOU MAY GRASP IT ,

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