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I asked this question once before in a different way. I asked, “Is there anything that Christians all agree on?” The fact of the matter is that there as many versions of Christianity as there are Christians.
Princess
this is to Christ to answer,not to men ;
1) first you have to believe in him and the word of God his father
2) you have to follow him in what he said
3) you have to have faith in him and what he has said
4) you have to love his father,and trust him ,who is his God and ours
5) you have to obey him and his God but in love not in fear,
6) live a live to serve God and not yourself
7) providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2011,11:05) Princess this is to Christ to answer,not to men ;
1) first you have to believe in him and the word of God his father
2) you have to follow him in what he said
3) you have to have faith in him and what he has said
4) you have to love his father,and trust him ,who is his God and ours
5) you have to obey him and his God but in love not in fear,
6) live a live to serve God and not yourself
7) providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,Pierre
Make these replacements:for “him” read “Kim Jong-il”
for “god” and read “Kim Il-sung”
for “christ” read “North Korea”
for “christian” read “North Korean”.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2011,13:24) Christianity is a hodgepodge of ideas about Jesus Christ
As is islam.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 18 2011,20:12) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2011,11:05) Princess this is to Christ to answer,not to men ;
1) first you have to believe in him and the word of God his father
2) you have to follow him in what he said
3) you have to have faith in him and what he has said
4) you have to love his father,and trust him ,who is his God and ours
5) you have to obey him and his God but in love not in fear,
6) live a live to serve God and not yourself
7) providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,Pierre
Make these replacements:for “him” read “Kim Jong-il”
for “god” and read “Kim Il-sung”
for “christ” read “North Korea”
for “christian” read “North Korean”.Stuart
stuYou can luff now ;
but you will not be the that luffs last ;
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 18 2011,13:24) Christianity is a hodgepodge of ideas about Jesus Christ
In fact all religions are a hodgepodge of ideas about Jesus Christ. Islam says this, Moonies, say that, Catholics say this, JWs say that. I personally do not hold any of them in high or medium esteem.What matters is not what men say, but what Jesus said about himself. I mean, if Jesus claimed this or that, then that is likely the truth if you indeed accept that he was from God.
But if you do not listen to what he said, then you really do not believe in Jesus. And if you make Jesus into a product of your own understanding, then you believe in someone else who you just happen to call Jesus. Another Jesus as scripture says and not the one that we should receive.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 18 2011,09:53) Is there anything that Christians all agree on
There is a foundation to the faith which is spelled out in scripture in a number of places. This foundation is absolute. Everything else is a variable.Variables allow opinion in that scripture might not have enough information leaving some speculation and usually the reason has to do with it not being that important, or that it is something that will be revealed later on such as prophecy.
The absolutes are part of the foundation of faith and are non negotiable.
Of course they can be negotiable but then not believing them makes you an unbeliever as opposed to a believer, so they are non negotiable if you wish to remain a believer.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Dec. 18 2011,09:53) I asked this question once before in a different way. I asked, “Is there anything that Christians all agree on?” The fact of the matter is that there as many versions of Christianity as there are Christians.
There is one truth and that truth is not Christianity.
It is Christ.Christianity comprises all the opinions and views about the teachings of Jesus Christ and not all of them are right.
Similarly in Science there are varying opinions and views on just about every subject. I mean you could take out the word Christianity in your post and replace it with Science and it would be equably applicable.
A person who tries to tell you that Christianity is the truth is like the person who says that Science is the truth.
Quote (princess @ Dec. 18 2011,08:18) What is the definition of a christian and does this definition match christianity of today?
The definition of a Christian is someone who has Christ and God as their head.I don't know if it's true today, I don't associate with many Christians. But it says that people will choose to believe a lie so God sends them a powerful delusion.
2nd Thes 2:3-12:
Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God (the temple is the body) proclaiming himself to be God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.
The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2011,11:05) Princess this is to Christ to answer,not to men ;
1) first you have to believe in him and the word of God his father
2) you have to follow him in what he said
3) you have to have faith in him and what he has said
4) you have to love his father,and trust him ,who is his God and ours
5) you have to obey him and his God but in love not in fear,
6) live a live to serve God and not yourself
7) providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,Pierre
Hi Pierre,
You said that “2) you have to follow him in what he said, and obey him .”Jesus said that you had to “sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.”
Have you sold everything that you have yet?
He also said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.”
Do you hate all those people?
Of course you must become a cannibal “Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Even symbolically I find that disgusting.
If you obey him you must also obey all the laws of the old testament in spite of what the preachers may tell you.
Jesus said that not until the earth comes to an end will one jot of the laws be done away with.So you must be willing to kill homosexuals, kids who talk back to you, prostitutes and people who work on the Sabbath.
Boy, I feel sorry for all the Wall Mart employees.According to you, “providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,”
Tim
Hi Tim,
You misrepresent God and his word. By the way, the name Micah means: “Who is like יה YÄ?”
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee,
but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? (Micah 6:8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 19 2011,02:48) ^^ Hi Ed, All I did was repeat his word.
Have you taken up your cross to follow him?Tim
Hi Tim,Yep.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2011,14:52)
There is a foundation to the faith which is spelled out in scripture in a number of places. This foundation is absolute. Everything else is a variable.
Name one absolute truth from Christianity that is unique to Christianity. (In other words, belief in God doesn't qualify because there lots of religions that believe in God.)Just one!
tim6
Quote Jesus said that you had to “sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.” I am not young and rich ,and so have nothing to sell why should i sell what i need to sleep on ??
you never were good at telling the truth or to understand it right ?
Pierre
Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 19 2011,05:36) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2011,11:05) Princess this is to Christ to answer,not to men ;
1) first you have to believe in him and the word of God his father
2) you have to follow him in what he said
3) you have to have faith in him and what he has said
4) you have to love his father,and trust him ,who is his God and ours
5) you have to obey him and his God but in love not in fear,
6) live a live to serve God and not yourself
7) providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,Pierre
Hi Pierre,
You said that “2) you have to follow him in what he said, and obey him .”Jesus said that you had to “sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.”
Have you sold everything that you have yet?
He also said “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.”
Do you hate all those people?
Of course you must become a cannibal “Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Even symbolically I find that disgusting.
If you obey him you must also obey all the laws of the old testament in spite of what the preachers may tell you.
Jesus said that not until the earth comes to an end will one jot of the laws be done away with.So you must be willing to kill homosexuals, kids who talk back to you, prostitutes and people who work on the Sabbath.
Boy, I feel sorry for all the Wall Mart employees.According to you, “providing you do all the above you would be now free in Christ and now become a true Christian in maturity,”
Tim
tim6you would have shown wisdom if you would have not give this answer ,now you have shown the foolishness of your lack of understanding,
Pierre
I understand Pierre.
Many people who do not like what Jesus said will change
it to mean something totally different so that they will feel better about not following it.That is fine. Only people lacking in sanity would really do everything that Jesus suggested.
If you are truly a follower you would have to be able to
show it as Jesus describes.
“They will pick up snakes, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them. They will place their hands on the sick and cure them.”Of course, trying that would show the foolishness of their understanding.
Tim
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