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1Peter was to the dispersed Jews “Israel”.
See the first verse …1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the chosen expatriates of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, the province of Asia, and Bithynia,You must try to understand what scripture says, read carefully, you'll learn a lot more.
CO,
1Peter11 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [3927] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.Number 3927
Transliteration:
parepidemos {par-ep-id'-ay-mos}
Word Origin:
from 3844 and the base of 1927
TDNT:
2:64,49
Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the KJV:
pilgrim 2, stranger 1Total: 3
Definition:
one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives
a stranger
sojourning in a strange place, a foreigner
in the NT metaph. in reference to heaven as the native country, one who sojourns on earthThere is no longer Jew and Gentile and all in Christ are one body.
You should not try to divide them again.Nick…….Jesus told the apostles the would sit on twelve thrones Judging the twelve tribes of Israel. So to say there is no more Israelites is not true. Because the apostles were told (BY) Jesus they would (future tense ) Sit judging the tribes of Israel. In fact Jesus said this gospel of the kingdom would no even be preached to all the cities of Israel before the son of man comes. Israel as a people still exists and Jesus sent the apostles to the (LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Even though today many descendant of Israel don't even know they are of Israel because their identity has been lost, none the less they do still exist all over the world. You yourself may be a decedant of Israel and not even know it. How ever i do agree with you as to the House of GOD and salvaton in that case there is no Jew or Gentile but we are all brother and sisters in the Kingdom of God.
love and peace to you and yours……………gene
GB,
We are grafted into true Israel.
Those reborn into Christ share in his inheritance.
Goats do notNick…….I understand that, thats not the point, because we are the Israel of GOD, does not do away with the Physical existence of the People of Israel that are scattered through out the world today. Your confusing Physical Israel with Spiritual Israel, that the problem here Nick.
peace to you………….gene
GB,
Scripture does too.
But 1 Cor 12
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.Nick….Yes whether we be (JEW) OR GENTILES, Doesn't that show the Physical Identity's are different. Thats the point. There is a difference in national identity of the peoples of the world. The twelve apostles were commissioned by Jesus to go to the lost sheep of the HOUSE of Israel. They were told to not go in the way of Samaria (gentiles).
love and peace to you and yours…………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2008,12:40) CO,
1Peter11 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers [3927] scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.Number 3927
Transliteration:
parepidemos {par-ep-id'-ay-mos}
Word Origin:
from 3844 and the base of 1927
TDNT:
2:64,49
Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the KJV:
pilgrim 2, stranger 1Total: 3
Definition:
one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives
a stranger
sojourning in a strange place, a foreigner
in the NT metaph. in reference to heaven as the native country, one who sojourns on earthThere is no longer Jew and Gentile and all in Christ are one body.
You should not try to divide them again.
Quite a lengthly explanation for something so simple to understand, yet you seem unable to grasp the meaning.
Yes, there is no difference as to Jew or Gentile in the Body of Christ. But to this very day, there are still Jews in many countries still keeping the Jewish traditions and worshipping in Jewish temples, so it's not me trying to divide them, they are still the dispersed Jews, living in many different countries. But God says in scripture that “All Israel will be saved”.
God will still make a “new covenant” with them in the future. See Heb.10:8-13 …8 For, blaming them, He is saying, “Lo! the days are coming,” the Lord is saying, “And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant,
9 Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them,” the Lord is saying,
10 “For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days,” the Lord is saying: “Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.
11 And by no means should each be teaching his fellow citizen, And each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord!' For all shall be acquainted with Me, From their little to their great,
12 For I shall be propitious to their injustices, And of their sins and their lawlessnesses should I under no circumstances still be reminded.”
13 In saying “new,” He has made the former old. Now that which is growing old and decrepit is near its disappearance.So your statement “You should not try to divide them again.” is useless. They, the unsaved Jews, are still divided by their unbelief, and that the Messiah has not yet come.
Your understanding of scripture has much to be desired.
Blessings.
Hey Gene and Chosen..
This is an interesting topic to me…I to think that the 12 twelve tribes be spoken of is symbolic…
The symbolic 144,000 (symbolic for the “saints”) mentioned in revelation 7 and 14 include the apostles, as they are just members of the group, however with I believe special positions..notice one of the job of the 144,000…
1 Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?Romans 3:9
[ No One is Righteous ] What shall we conclude then? Are we any better ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin.Romans 15:27
They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.Galatians 2:7
On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews.Hebrews 8:13… 13By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
Literal “Israel” exists no more…just as the 144,000 who are symbolic are taken from the symbolic 12 tribes (followers of christ) so the “House of israel” or “jews” spoken of as being judged are symbolic…because as Paul said their is neither “Jew nor gentile” in the eyes of GOD…
From John the 10th chapter on..their was no such thing as Jew or gentile..only the body of christ…
Literal “Israel” has long been forgotten and abandoned as an apostate nation in gods eyes…
Ezekiel 6:9
Then in the nations where they have been carried captive, those who escape will remember me—how I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their idols. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all their detestable practices.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2008,17:04) CO,
You await the messiah too? That makes sense as you have yet to accept his message.
The Messiah was to the Jews, and His message wasn't for me.
Your messages are getting rediculous.CO,
All scripture is for you.
The words of Jesus are pure beauty from the mouth of God
God told us to listen to him and you have all those words in front of you.DK…….God has scattered Israel through out the whole world, but He also says He will gathers them back again, and plant them back in their own land again. I can give you many scriptures that back that up, but i think you already know that. Jesus specifically said the 12 original apostles would sit on thrones Judging the (12 tribes) of Israel. I do agree there is a spiritual Israel of God, but there is also a physical Israel that will return to their former Estates, it is verily clearly spoken of by the prophets.
love and peace to you and yours………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2008,10:26) DK…….God has scattered Israel through out the whole world, but He also says He will gathers them back again, and plant them back in their own land again. I can give you many scriptures that back that up, but i think you already know that. Jesus specifically said the 12 original apostles would sit on thrones Judging the (12 tribes) of Israel. I do agree there is a spiritual Israel of God, but there is also a physical Israel that will return to their former Estates, it is verily clearly spoken of by the prophets. love and peace to you and yours………………gene
I know the scriptures…brother Gene..I just think they are symbolic..
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2008,10:26) DK…….God has scattered Israel through out the whole world, but He also says He will gathers them back again, and plant them back in their own land again. I can give you many scriptures that back that up, but i think you already know that. Jesus specifically said the 12 original apostles would sit on thrones Judging the (12 tribes) of Israel. I do agree there is a spiritual Israel of God, but there is also a physical Israel that will return to their former Estates, it is verily clearly spoken of by the prophets. love and peace to you and yours………………gene
Did Israel not become a Nation again in 1948. The Jewish people were all scattered all over, and severely punished by God which He told them He would do. I believe that Christ Jesus is now working with Spiritual Israel and all those that are called are among them, IMO including us if we follow that calling. But many are called and few are chosen.
Peace and Love IreneIrene……. The Jew are only a very small fraction of the Israelite descendants that are scattered all over the world. The whole lost tribes still exist today all over the earth, Here are Just a few places, the United Stated (13 stars and stripes) there are 13 tribes of Israel also, Levi portion was taken away to serve as the priest tribe, leaving 12 remaining tribes. Canada, England, France, Denmark (everywhere DAN went he left His (Mark), Germany, Norway, Australia, Sweden, Africa, There are Israelites descendant everywhere in the world. Didn't GOD tell Abraham His descendants would be as the sands of the sea and as the stars of Heaven. Also it says He hath also it says He has nunmbered the Nations (gentiles) according to the tribes of Israel. Notice there are 12 tribes of Israel and 12 tribes of Gentiles, and there are mentioned 24 Elders around the throne of God (Interesting). Could these Elders be from the 24 Numbered Nations of both Gentiles and Israelites. (interesting speculation). But i also do Know there is an Israel of GOD to Irene. Here is something else thats interesting, the Four living creatures around the throne of GOD had each a face, Lion, Eagle ,Man, Ox, These are the same standard of the four tribes around the four quadrants of the tabernacle of Nation of Israel when the were in the wilderness, The OX was the tribe of Ephraim, the Lion was the tribe of Judah, the Eagle was the tribe of DAN, the man was the tribe of Ruben . These were the Four Standards or Flags that were around the tabernacle in the wilderness. Interesting.
love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 04 2008,04:56) Irene……. The Jew are only a very small fraction of the Israelite descendants that are scattered all over the world. The whole lost tribes still exist today all over the earth, Here are Just a few places, the United Stated (13 stars and stripes) there are 13 tribes of Israel also, Levi portion was taken away to serve as the priest tribe, leaving 12 remaining tribes. Canada, England, France, Denmark (everywhere DAN went he left His (Mark), Germany, Norway, Australia, Sweden, Africa, There are Israelites descendant everywhere in the world. Didn't GOD tell Abraham His descendants would be as the sands of the sea and as the stars of Heaven. Also it says He hath also it says He has nunmbered the Nations (gentiles) according to the tribes of Israel. Notice there are 12 tribes of Israel and 12 tribes of Gentiles, and there are mentioned 24 Elders around the throne of God (Interesting). Could these Elders be from the 24 Numbered Nations of both Gentiles and Israelites. (interesting speculation). But i also do Know there is an Israel of GOD to Irene. Here is something else thats interesting, the Four living creatures around the throne of GOD had each a face, Lion, Eagle ,Man, Ox, These are the same standard of the four tribes around the four quadrants of the tabernacle of Nation of Israel when the were in the wilderness, The OX was the tribe of Ephraim, the Lion was the tribe of Judah, the Eagle was the tribe of DAN, the man was the tribe of Ruben . These were the Four Standards or Flags that were around the tabernacle in the wilderness. Interesting. love to you and yours……………………gene
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