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You confuse what I believe with the belief of others. I do not believe Jesus died that believers be forgiven as there was a way for believers to be forgiven under the covenant of Moses. King David was forgiven for both adultery and murder as well as other sins. Jesus did not have the authority to send the Holy Spirit until after he was crucified and was resurrected. There is no new covenant without Jesus sending the Spirit to those that believe and so obey his teachings. Without Jesus’ act of mercy the Spirit does not come to write the Word upon the hearts of believers and place it in their mind. He tells us that when he says if I do not go he will not come.
I know you don’t believe how others believe but when you say “he says if I do not go the spirit will not come” I reflect upon Elijah and Elisha who received a double portion of spirit after Elijah was taken up to heaven ALIVE, if All the scriptures are in some way speaking about or leading up to Jesus Christ we cannot overlook that Elijah was taken up to heaven Alive we cannot overlook that Jonah was in the fish for 3 days and 3 nights ALIVE we can not overlook that Abraham’s “only” son(which we know is not accurate) was spared from being sacrificed and Abraham was God’s friend. Now God says I WILL HAVE MERCY and “NOT” Sacrifice so a sacrifice cannot be an act of Mercy at least not in this case otherwise it would be a Mercy and a Sacrifices but God says “NOT” sacrifice and how is it you say that Jesus did not have the Authority to send the Holy Spirit except pending Death and resurrection when Elijah did so without either?
hi BD,
You tell us the scriptures need correction.
And yet you quote them as if they are undoubtedly valid.
You have no foundation except yourself.
@Nick, HelloHi BD,
Read the scriptures.
Elijah did not SEND the Spirit.
What did Elisha ask for?
2 Kings 2:9
And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.hi BD,
You tell us the scriptures need correction.
And yet you quote them as if they are undoubtedly valid.
All the scriptures are valid they even include that many of the scriptures are invalid, which makes them even the more Valid:
Jeremiah 8:8 (NRSV)
8
How can you say, “We are wise,
and the law of the Lord is with us,”
when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes
has made it into a lie?If this verse about the scribes and others like it were not true then the Quran would be false
) Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra’ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46)
it all links together quite beautifully, all the prophecies and passages and even the blindness it’s all written from the OT to the Quran one continuous stream of Cosciousness
Hi BD,
Elisha asking proves to you that Elijah sent it?
Thin evidence.
You think you are greater than the Spirit of God and able to judge God?
figures
Hi BD,
You do not believe in the sacred scriptures as you try to correct them.
So the only reason you could have for quoting the sacred words is to try to convince us who trust them that they are false.
A true wolf
Hi BD,
Having succumbed to your doubts and abandoned the way of Christ you wish to serve your master by taking others with you?
Is that why you poison the food of the lambs and muddy their pure water?
Hi BD,
The name “YA-shu-a” (Jesus in Hebrew) means “YA’s Salvation”
Well done EDJ as it says YA”s Salvation and not “YA’s Sacrifice” because God did save him often that’s how names were made or a place was called something because of what God did and Jesus was Saved from the murderous plot for ALLAH is The Best of those who Plot
Hi BD,
He did better than that.
He showed how to conquer death for all.
like Jonas he died and was made alive again in the Spirit of life.
Death where is your sting?
Hi BD,
He did better than that.
He showed how to conquer death for all.
like Jonas he died and was made alive again in the Spirit of life.
Death where is your sting?
You have to know that Jonah did not die it wouldn’t even make sense, why would God “prepare” a big fish to accommodate a dead body? he was already going to drown if not for the big fish.
Jonah 2:1Darby Translation (DARBY)
2 And Jonah prayed unto Jehovah his God out of the fish’s belly;
Jonah was alive and prayed to be saved from death and was saved from death or are you asserting that Jonah was dead for 3 days and 3 nights? Is their any scripture anywhere that claims Jonah was dead?
Do you agree that “the bible says”:
Jesus died by crucifixion, was placed in a tomb, and rose from the dead after being dead for three days?Is this what the bible teaches? Yes or No?
The Bible “teaches” that Jesus was crucified on two different days at two different hours and rose within 48 hours so the answer is NO the Bible does not teach what you said. There are verses that says those things but you asked what does the Bible teach and by the way Jesus says 3 days and 3 nights you do the math.
Learn more, be more honest
Quit playing games
The bible teaches Jesus died by crucifixion and was resurrected by God …Yes or No?
You confuse what I believe with the belief of others. I do not believe Jesus died that believers be forgiven as there was a way for believers to be forgiven under the covenant of Moses. King David was forgiven for both adultery and murder as well as other sins. Jesus did not have the authority to send the Holy Spirit until after he was crucified and was resurrected. There is no new covenant without Jesus sending the Spirit to those that believe and so obey his teachings. Without Jesus’ act of mercy the Spirit does not come to write the Word upon the hearts of believers and place it in their mind. He tells us that when he says if I do not go he will not come.
I know you don’t believe how others believe but when you say “he says if I do not go the spirit will not come” I reflect upon Elijah and Elisha who received a double portion of spirit after Elijah was taken up to heaven ALIVE, if All the scriptures are in some way speaking about or leading up to Jesus Christ we cannot overlook that Elijah was taken up to heaven Alive we cannot overlook that Jonah was in the fish for 3 days and 3 nights ALIVE we can not overlook that Abraham’s “only” son(which we know is not accurate) was spared from being sacrificed and Abraham was God’s friend. Now God says I WILL HAVE MERCY and “NOT” Sacrifice so a sacrifice cannot be an act of Mercy at least not in this case otherwise it would be a Mercy and a Sacrifices but God says “NOT” sacrifice and how is it you say that Jesus did not have the Authority to send the Holy Spirit except pending Death and resurrection when Elijah did so without either?
Hi BD,
You don’t get it.
When God said to Adam if he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would surely die – was God lying?
All Christianity says NO – what say you?
Hi BD,
Having succumbed to your doubts and abandoned the way of Christ you wish to serve your master by taking others with you?
Is that why you poison the food of the lambs and muddy their pure water?
Hi Nick,
Did you know that Muhammad died from eating a poison lamb?
And that islam says the sun sets in a pool of muddy water.You certainly got the false prophet and his false religion pegged!
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God bless
Ed JHi BD,
The name “YA-shu-a” (Jesus in Hebrew) means “YA’s Salvation”
Well done EDJ as it says YA”s Salvation and not “YA’s Sacrifice” because God did save him often that’s how names were made or a place was called something because of what God did and Jesus was Saved from the murderous plot for ALLAH is The Best of those who Plot
Hi BD,
The quran says that ‘al-Lah’ is the best of DECEIVERS
…but his deceptions do not fool believers in Christ.B’shem
YHVHHi BD,
You don’t get it.
When God said to Adam if he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would surely die – was God lying?
All Christianity says NO – what say you?
God said He was going to destroy Ninevah, did He do it or was He lying? The answer is He was not lying and yet He did not destroy them because of their repentance likewise Adam and Eve did not die because they repented and this is proven because God says
Genesis 3: 17 And to Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and eaten of the tree of which I commanded thee saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed be the ground on thy account; with toil shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
So obviously they did not die the day they ate the fruit because God says “All the days”
The Quran explains:
Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #37)
This is where God first introduced the concept of repentance for forgiveness, he taught it to them
Hi BD,
You are missing the point, and the point is…
God said: “sin brings forth death”By your answer you are (in essence) saying no, and by saying no
you are thereby (in essence) saying God’ word is not firm.
Have you never thought this out? Do you understand?“For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast,
and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and
wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the HolySpirit, according to his own will?” (Hebrews 2:2-4)You are following the wrong god – ‘al_lah’ is satan
Jesus Christ took our punishment: how shall you escape, if you neglect so great salvation?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name
under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)Quit playing games and answer my question:
The bible teaches Jesus died by crucifixion and was resurrected by God …Yes or No?
Hi BD,
You are missing the point, and the point is…
God said: “sin brings forth death”By your answer you are (in essence) saying no, and by saying no
you are thereby (in essence) saying God’ word is not firm.
Have you never thought this out? Do you understand?Repentance brings forth forgiveness and life
So the choice is death or life you seem to choose death every time.
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