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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,08:13) Hi SF, Perhaps these two verses together will help you to see…
Rev.21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
2Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,
I simply believe what scripture states.
Thats it.It says it will pass away, and thats what will happen.
The scriptures you mention right now, is the point im trying to make.
what did he say? all things new.
and the old whats imperfect shall be done away, pass away.
Hi SF,Those verses refer to your 'perception' not the planet.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:18) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01) Quote Hi SF, I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J
Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.
Hi SF,You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)
If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol whatever Ed,
No wonder you and Bod make good buddies.
both of you are alike.You shout “truth” but you havent proven it, you cant just shout truth and expect me to believe.
I have made my points, and you HAVENT answerd it, yet again.
Thats my point you pick and choose what argue against, but the main point i made abotu 2 peter, you didnt refute. so its left valid until you do.You can respond to my every point but you dont, becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you just pick and chooose and make seperate points,You flood my threads and its annoying.
I think a moderator should penalize you for that.
Hi SF,When you Post to me, I can Post back you know.
I dont have a problem you posting back,
My problem is when you make like 6 posts in reference to 1 post that i made.
It gets annoying.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:18) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01) Quote Hi SF, I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J
Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.
Hi SF,You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)
If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol whatever Ed,
No wonder you and Bod make good buddies.
both of you are alike.You shout “truth” but you havent proven it, you cant just shout truth and expect me to believe.
I have made my points, and you HAVENT answerd it, yet again.
Thats my point you pick and choose what argue against, but the main point i made abotu 2 peter, you didnt refute. so its left valid until you do.You can respond to my every point but you dont, becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you just pick and chooose and make seperate points,You flood my threads and its annoying.
I think a moderator should penalize you for that.
Hi SF,When you Post to me, I can Post back you know.
I dont have a problem you posting back,
My problem is when you make like 6 posts in reference to 1 post that i made.
It gets annoying.
Hi SF,Then don't make Posts with 12 or more points wanting me to address them all.
My goal is for the readers of these threads to read my Posts,
and most readers will NOT read long Posts!Espero que usted pueda apreciar mi concern.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,06:32) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,18:18) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 15 2010,10:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 15 2010,05:01) Quote Hi SF, I have already explained it for you;
if you choose not to believe, I don't care!Ed J
Ed, you ignored my point again, you havent even refuted it, so my point is left valid either way.
Hi SF,You can believe whatever you want, but that don't make what you believe truth! (Isaiah 53:7)
If you don't want me to respond to your every point, that's your choice!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
lol whatever Ed,
No wonder you and Bod make good buddies.
both of you are alike.You shout “truth” but you havent proven it, you cant just shout truth and expect me to believe.
I have made my points, and you HAVENT answerd it, yet again.
Thats my point you pick and choose what argue against, but the main point i made abotu 2 peter, you didnt refute. so its left valid until you do.You can respond to my every point but you dont, becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
you just pick and chooose and make seperate points,You flood my threads and its annoying.
I think a moderator should penalize you for that.
Hi SF,When you Post to me, I can Post back you know.
I dont have a problem you posting back,
My problem is when you make like 6 posts in reference to 1 post that i made.
It gets annoying.
Hi SF,Then don't make Posts with 12 or more points wanting me to address them all.
My goal is for the readers of these threads to read my Posts,
and most readers will NOT read long Posts!Espero que usted pueda apreciar mi concern.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ya I understand,
But you have to realize that i have to RESPOND…
and you will skip points that i have made,
and also we have to keep on starting over for skipping pionts that i already madeQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,05:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,08:13) Hi SF, Perhaps these two verses together will help you to see…
Rev.21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
2Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,
I simply believe what scripture states.
Thats it.It says it will pass away, and thats what will happen.
The scriptures you mention right now, is the point im trying to make.
what did he say? all things new.
and the old whats imperfect shall be done away, pass away.
Hi SF,Those verses refer to your 'perception' not the planet.
Those scriptures support Revelations that says the first earth and the first heaven shall pass away.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,12:32) Hi SF, Then don't make Posts with 12 or more points wanting me to address them all.
My goal is for the readers of these threads to read my Posts,
and most readers will NOT read long Posts!
Hi D,I agree totally with Ed on this one. I also want others to read our posts and add their input. It seems that when most see an enormous post, they either skim or skip it completely.
I know I do.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,13:02) Those scriptures support Revelations that says the first earth and the first heaven shall pass away.
I see it like Dennison does.What else would “pass away” mean? This is how NETBible translates it in Rev 21:1,
Rev 21:1 NET
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had ceased to exist, and the sea existed no more.Their footnote after “ceased to exist” says,
For the translation of ἀπέρχομαι (apercomai; here ἀπῆλθαν [aphlqan]) L&N 13.93 has “to go out of existence – ‘to cease to exist, to pass away, to cease.’”
And the Greek acutally says “the first heaven and the first earth had departed, and the seas did not exist anymore”.
Sounds like there will be a NEW earth to me, for no matter how you understand “departed” or “passed away”, it definitely says the seas will cease to “EXIST”.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2010,13:27) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,13:02) Those scriptures support Revelations that says the first earth and the first heaven shall pass away.
I see it like Dennison does.What else would “pass away” mean? This is how NETBible translates it in Rev 21:1,
Rev 21:1 NET
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had ceased to exist, and the sea existed no more.Their footnote after “ceased to exist” says,
For the translation of ἀπέρχομαι (apercomai; here ἀπῆλθαν [aphlqan]) L&N 13.93 has “to go out of existence – ‘to cease to exist, to pass away, to cease.’”
And the Greek acutally says “the first heaven and the first earth had departed, and the seas did not exist anymore”.
Sounds like there will be a NEW earth to me, for no matter how you understand “departed” or “passed away”, it definitely says the seas will cease to “EXIST”.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,Word studies are essential when studying “The Word” of God!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what get burned up!2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Elements: Greek #4747 στοιχεῖον (stoicheion) stoy-khi'-on:
the elements of knowledge , principally: Rudiments.
What gets 'burned up' is the 'rudiments'! (2Peter 3:10)
Rudiments: an arrangement unable to perform it's normal function,
a fundamental skill, something uniformed. (Gen.2:17)Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col:2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Luke 18:7-8)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
If the earth is made of rudiments or elements, and they all dissove……………where does that leave the earth?
And you didn't address the fact that the “seas will cease to exist”.
mike
Hi Mike,
Did you not read the definitions of those words?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
Rev.17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest,
where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
So you equate the word “waters” being used for “people” with the “seas” that will “cease to exist”.
I don't see it that way, but I also don't see how it changes what we need to do to be saved, so can we just agree to disagree on this one?
As I continue my daily Bible reading, maybe a scripture will shed some new light for me. And if it does, I will share it with you and all.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,22:01) Hi Mike, Rev.17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest,
where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou still not see it right , but this time if you want i help you to figure it out
just give me the verses you talking about ,beside Rev;17;15
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,14:54) Word studies are essential when studying “The Word” of God!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what get burned up!2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Elements: Greek #4747 στοιχεῖον (stoicheion) stoy-khi'-on:
the elements of knowledge , principally: Rudiments.
What gets 'burned up' is the 'rudiments'! (2Peter 3:10)
Rudiments: an arrangement unable to perform it's normal function,
a fundamental skill, something uniformed. (Gen.2:17)Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col:2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Luke 18:7-8)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, how do you discount all the other words in 2nd Peter and base what you are saying on one word change ? And what comes like a thief in the night, from east to west ? Isnt it the sun ? Not that Jesus is the sun, but even in Revelations a messenger is seen on the sun. “And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried, a great voice, saying to all the birds that are flying in mid-heaven, 'Come and be gathered together to the supper of the great God” What is the supper ? And what did Jesus say of his coming? “wherever the carcase may be, there shall the eagles be gathered together”Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 24 2010,16:34) Hi Ed, So you equate the word “waters” being used for “people” with the “seas” that will “cease to exist”.
I don't see it that way, but I also don't see how it changes what we need to do to be saved, so can we just agree to disagree on this one?
As I continue my daily Bible reading, maybe a scripture will shed some new light for me. And if it does, I will share it with you and all.
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,It is the confusion (in people) that ceases to exist not people themselves.
Zerubbabel means: Coming out of confusion(removing)!
Zech.4:9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this (Spiritual) house;
his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (shimmer @ Oct. 24 2010,22:35) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,14:54) Word studies are essential when studying “The Word” of God!
Elements should have been translated rudiments; the rudiments are what get burned up!2Peter 3:10 But “the day of the Lord” will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth
also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Elements: Greek #4747 στοιχεῖον (stoicheion) stoy-khi'-on:
the elements of knowledge , principally: Rudiments.
What gets 'burned up' is the 'rudiments'! (2Peter 3:10)
Rudiments: an arrangement unable to perform it's normal function,
a fundamental skill, something uniformed. (Gen.2:17)Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col:2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,Ed J (Daniel 11:18 / Luke 18:7-8)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, how do you discount all the other words in 2nd Peter and base what you are saying on one word change ? And what comes like a thief in the night, from east to west ? Isnt it the sun ? Not that Jesus is the sun, but even in Revelations a messenger is seen on the sun. “And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cried, a great voice, saying to all the birds that are flying in mid-heaven, 'Come and be gathered together to the supper of the great God” What is the supper ? And what did Jesus say of his coming? “wherever the carcase may be, there shall the eagles be gathered together”
HI Shimmer,Did you read Col.2:8 and Col.2;20? It is talking about the rudiments that get burned up in 2Peter 3! Didn't you know?
The word “New” in both Rev.12:1 and 2 Peter 3:13 should have been translated “RENEW”
Greek #2537 καινός (kainos) kähē-nôs': new (freshness ith respect to age), youthful, fresh, regenerate:-new, young[καινός] should have been translated as “renewed” like [ἀνακαινόω] from 303 and 2537
Greek #341 ἀνακαινόω (anakainoó) ăn-äk-ähē-nô'-ō: to rejuvenate:-renew2Cor.4:16 For which cause we faint not;
but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.[καινός] is also used in Rom.6:4 and Rom.7:6 as well…
Rom.6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,
even so we also should walk in newness(καινός) of life.Rom.7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness(καινός) of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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