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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,23:17) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:41) Could you show a scripture where someone in power became the subject and was ruled over by someone lessor or equal to him?
Hi Mike,The LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man. (Jer.31:22)
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How long will you vacillate, you who were once like an unfaithful daughter? For I, the Lord, promise to bring about something new on the earth, something as unique as a woman protecting a man!’”I don't see where anyone SUBJECTS themselves to their equal or lessor, do you?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,23:29) Context Mike, Hebrews 1:5-6 And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Do you really think God is also saying (according to Mike) he will again be a Father to Jesus; instead of Paul connecting different points together?
Okay Ed,The Father already DID bring his firstborn into the world before Paul said this. When did any angels worship Jesus during his 33 years on earth?
It was only AFTER he was perfected through suffering and was exalted for it that he became the Lamb who was now worthy to open the scroll.
It is when Jesus returns that ALL knees (including those of the angels) will bow to Jesus.
YOUR understanding does not match the rest of scripture………….mine does.
peace,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,23:39) Yes, I believe all the Angels do belong to “God the Father”. It's nice to see we CAN reach an agreement!!!
We agree on many things, Ed. (But not on Col 1:16 being about the Father.
)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 18 2011,02:49) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 17 2011,17:44) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2011,23:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2011,11:47) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2011,00:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2011,11:48) The words “when God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world” implies that God has already BROUGHT His firstborn into the world at least once before.
Hi Mike,Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And again means that it's another point that (Shaool) the Apostle Paul makes.
Your zeal to prove your beliefs is outlandish.
And how do you know Ed? How really do you know that it's “And again when he brings” instead of “When he again brings”?Please grant me the favor of your all-knowing wisdom on this verse, O unzealous one.
Context Mike,Hebrews 1:5-6 And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Do you really think God is also saying (according to Mike) he will again be a Father to Jesus; instead of Paul connecting different points together?Sounds to me instead like the Apostle Paul is making the point over and over again that Jesus is, very, very, special in God's Kingdom. (Hebrews 1:1:9)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjDeut ;32;43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people.LXX
WHO IS THE ;him ??
Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father’” ?Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son” ?Heb 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”WHO IS THE ;him ??
Pierre
PIERRE,Do you believe that Jesus was begotten of God more than once?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou did not answer my question
why should I answer your to deviate from mine ?
Pierre
PIERRE,
There is no 'the him'. “Him” is like “it”,
it depends on what is being addressed.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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