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Carmel: WORLDLY WISDOM IS NOT OF GOD, AND COUNTS FOR NOTHING Mr. Mike!
What else do we have, Carmel? Even if a spirit shows you something, you much test that spirit to see if it is from God, right? By what means do we test that spirit? For example, if a spirit tells you that David lived by himself on a different planet during the flood, what do you test that claim against? And unless you are also a spirit entity, then what mental tools will you use to test what that spirit told you – if not your own sinful fleshly God-given mental abilities?
Gene
“You or they have never proved at any time any activity of Jesus before his birth on this earth ever.”
Me
…at any time any activity of Jesus ????
If only you want to believe the biblical text as it is given to us, you will understand that “THE Word” is the Name given to the Son of God.
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“And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God“.(Rev.19:13)
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.(Rom.10:17)
Proclaimer: Hi Mike. In years past, there was Mers, Sars, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, etc. I got Swine Flu and it was pretty brutal. Was that just a Cold?
My brother and sister-in-law have been laid up sick in bed for almost a month. They are finally over it. They are double vaxxed (I don’t know if they are also boosted). They were tested by a lab – negative for Covid. They took many home tests – all negative for Covid.
Did they have “swine flu”? “Bird flu”? “Mers”? “Sars”?
Of course not, because those things aren’t in the news cycle right now. But what if the same exact thing happened in 2009 – when Swine Flu was in the news cycle? Well of course it would have had to BE Swine Flu, right?
The bottom line is that everyone has experienced colds and flus all their lives. Some are mild, some are very severe. And if you are old or in bad health, some people die from these common colds and flus every single year.
Now, I’m going to ask you one simple question, and I pray that you directly answer it (not one of your strong points):
So the seasonal flu typically affects about 1 billion people in the world. It causes 4 million severe illnesses, and half a million deaths every single year. Yet with the onset of “Covid 19”, there were only 2400 CASES reported in the US. And the WHO says that the seasonal flu fell to MINISCULE levels in 20-21 all over the world.
Proclaimer, is it even remotely possible that a very large percentage of “Covid cases/hospitalizations/deaths” were actually just the seasonal flu doing what it does every year?
Note: This question does not involve the shape of the earth, lizard people, or any other of the usual rescue devices you deploy to avoid giving direct answers to direct questions. Please keep those things out of your DIRECT answer to my DIRECT question. Thank you.
Proclaimer: Medical authorities make the argument that Covid is associated with Myocarditis too. Myocarditis from Covid is thought to be a combination of direct viral injury and cardiac damage due to the host’s immune response.
But only Covid 19, huh? All the other coronaviruses (common colds) that we’ve dealt with for decades didn’t cause myocarditis, but now all of a sudden, certain “medical authorities” are saying this one particular coronavirus is causing a massive jump in heart problems? And they’re saying this in light of the FACT that the vaccines are proven to cause heart problems?
See… things like this cause my Spidey senses to tingle. But you are happy just parroting the narrative, not giving even a single moment of thought to who these particular “medical authorities” are, and how much of their funding comes directly from grants by Big Pharma companies. Or how they can be crushed and homeless in an instant by speaking out against Big Pharma.
Follow the money. Do a little investigative research into these “medical authorities” and get back to us. Find out whose pockets they are in, and what double-blind studies they’ve done to come to this conclusion. Thanks.
(Any illness can hurt the hearts of people in certain conditions. But we’re talking about a situation where heart problems have NEVER been commonly associated with a flu/common cold – and now all of a sudden, there’s a TON of them among VACCINATED people. It stands to reason that if my billion dollar Big Pharma company was in the crosshairs, I’d hire certain “medical authorities” to put a different spin on things and blame something other than my product. Hence the recent stories of climate change and cold weather and referee’s whistles all of a sudden causing a ton of heart problems.)
Waky waky, Proclaimer. Put the pieces of the puzzle together. Stop being a blind shill for evil people.
Proclaimer: I never remember Long Cold, pre-Covid.
Why? Why must you be so blind? Tell that to my brother who just had a “long” illness, testing negative for Covid the entire time.
Do you REALLY believe that in the history of mankind, nobody has ever been laid up for a long time with a bad case of the flu? I was laid up for two weeks when I was 19. Throat so sore that I only got down two milkshakes in that entire time. Went back to work with clothes falling off me because I lost so much weight.
Dude, your own son just had a bad bout of the flu – and tested negative for Covid, right?
It just keeps running through my head… WHEN will Proclaimer wake up? WHY won’t Proclaimer wake up. God, please wake Proclaimer up. Over and over… with every nonsense post you make.
Proclaimer: Waking up now, but still feel a bit tired….
Great! Maybe my prayers are being answered. 🙏🙏
Proclaimer: Mike, you seem to be the world’s greatest scientist or one of them, expert doctor, and a fabulous warrior all wrapped up in one person. You know more than anyone it seems. Congratulations!
Thank you. But honestly, I don’t know more than “anyone”. I do know a lot more than you – and I’m glad to see that you’re finally acknowledging that fact. Maybe you’ll be able to swallow your pride now and actually LEARN something from the things I’m showing you. There’s a big lesson on “days” coming up. Get your pencil and notepad ready… and clear your head.
Proclaimer: Mike, you are in the Stone Age.
What is “the Stone Age”? Seriously, please explain what that means. Who lived then? Why is it called “the Stone Age”?
Proclaimer: But we live in the Space Age.
What is “the Space Age”? Was there not “space” for people to move around in the past? Surely you must be talking about the nonsensical idea that the earth is a ball with a compressed atmosphere existing directly adjacent to the most powerful vacuum ever imagined by man – with no barrier to separate the two. This is an impossibility in science – attested to by the scientific axiom, “Nature abhors a vacuum”. It’s also nonsense to anyone who’s ever popped a balloon and noticed that once the barrier between the high and low pressure systems is breached or removed, there ceases to be a separate high and low pressure system – because the two different pressures immediately equalize.
Proclaimer: Knowledge has increased.
1 Corinthians 3:18-19… Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”
How long will you deceive yourself into thinking you are wise because you can copy, paste, and parrot stories you hear from Scientism – fantasies that you can’t even understand? The wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS in God’s sight, Proclaimer. Become a fool like me – believing exactly what the Bible teaches – before God catches you in your craftiness.
Proclaimer: You need to catch up. It’s 2022 AD. Not 2022 BC.
What is that supposed to mean? Seriously. Do you imagine that men are smarter today than before? WHY do you imagine such a thing?
Proclaimer: So a question for you Mike. How come they never hit the dome?
Um… because they never go straight up. I challenge you to find me footage of any rocket that goes straight up into space.
Mike…..where was Jesus ever mentioned in the old testement, as a prexisting being? Did Jesus ever say he was alive before his berth on this earth, just one scripture where he apsolutely said the, I and not talking about scriptures that say he was prophesied to come into his existence, but where it say he was already existing as a actual being of somekind, BEFORE HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH, not talking about scriptures like this, “the glory I had with you before the foundations of this earth, I can say the exact same thing , I have glory with God before I was ever born or came into my only existence also, just like Cyrus who had it before he was ever born also. In fact all of mankind had glory and honor, with God, before the foundations of this earth. Need proof?
Read this slowly and carfully ok, “what is man, (mankind) that you should visit him (mankind) that so kind you should be to him (mankind) , you have made him a little lower than the Angels, you have crowned him with honour and Glory, and has put “ALL THINGS” UNDER HIS FEET, in that He (God), says “ALL THINGS” are pint under his (mankinds) feet , there is “NOTHING”, that is no under his (mankinds) feet. But we do not yet see (All things put under his (mankinds) feet, but what do we see Mike?, we see another man , Jesus Christ who (like us) was made a little lower than the Angels for the tasting of death (as we are also). “NOW”, (after he was raised from the dead ) Crowned with Glory and Honour , and “AND” all things put under his feet.
Where do you see (put back under him, as if he ALREADY had it before he was born on this earth at ? fact is, YOU DON’T , HEBREWS presents Jesus “EXACTLY” THE SAME AS we as we are , and both he and us have that Glory, and Honour, before we ever existed on this earth. We (Jesus and us) all existed in the mind of God before there ever existed a earth of human life on it.
That is exactly what Jesus meant when he said , “to the Father, to give him the Glory and honour he have with the Father before the earth was”, God the Father predestined both Jesus, Cryus, and all of humanity’s existed, and their Glory and honour, they would receive before they ever came into existence. Just that simple for those who have eyes to see.
“SEPARATING “, Jesus from the rest of humanity, in “ANYWAY”, is simple a work of Satan and his ministers. Jesus is simply the “finish product ” of what God has in mind for all of humanity.
SATAN DOES NOT WANT HUMANS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, SO HE CREATED THESE TEACHING THAT SPERRATE THE “IMAGE” OF HIM BEING A HUMAN BEING EXACTLY AS WE ARE.
Go read 2 Ths 2 , study it and if you have the truth of God in you , you can see clearly what THE DEVIL did to the “IMAGE” of the “Man”, Jesus, which turn the “IMAGE” of him into a LIE, about him, which turns The “Image” of Jesus into “the man of sin”.
Paul was not talking about, what would happen at the time of Jesus’ return only , he was talking about what was taking place at the time, he gave that prophecy to the churches, in his day it was begining to take place, in the churches, the false teachings about Jesus being a God, was already starting . Jesus himself will destroy that false teaching about himself, at his return , by his own mouth, Just as it say.
Peace and love to you and yours Mike……….gene
Berean,, being called something dosen’t make you it. JUST is called the word of God because he tell us “what the Father tells him to tell us, not because he “IS” the word of God “HIMSELF”. This is why I have ask you before , do you actually believe what Jesus actually himself says. “The “words I am telling you are not my word , but the words of him who sent me.” , now how do you get from that, that Jesus himself “IS” God’s actual word.
if you quoted something I said , does that ever make you my word. No you would have to actually be me for that to be true. Jesus himself is not God, nor God’s word no more then you, are anyone else is, a prophet , or Angel, or messenger . NO ONE IS GOD’S WORD BUT GOD HIMSELF “NO ONE BUT HIM ALONE IS HIS WORD. Common sense should tell you that .
Peace and love to you and yours Berean……….gene
Okay @Proclaimer
We both agree that the concept of a “day” is irrelevant to God. You even joked that it’s not like heaven has a giant sun that dictates “days” for God. I agree. So what exactly is a “day”?
Well, the following graphic is actually from NASA…
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/days/en/
So even though your main source of Scientism misworded it (it’s actually one cycle of daytime – through nighttime – and back to daytime again), we can all understand the meaning of a 24-hour day. But here’s the thing… on any so-called “planet”, a “day” is based on the relationship between that “planet” and the sun. It is the amount of time it takes from one sunrise to the following sunrise… from one morning, through evening, and on to the next morning… from one period of light, through a period of darkness, and on to the next period of light.
So even in your model, where the sun and earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago, the very first “day” was dictated by the time it took the earth to rotate once, meaning a certain location on the earth went from sunrise, through nighttime, to the next sunrise. And the next time that same cycle occurred was the second day. And the next time it happened was the third day. And so on and so forth.
Okay, I did some checking, and according to Scientism, there was a time when a day on earth was only 4 hours…
Now of course this is just some dude telling stories about something he couldn’t possibly determine – let alone know as a fact. But look at how the article ends…
The point you need to take away is that this is info from your trusted Scientism, and they say that our current 24-hour day is the LONGEST our days on earth have ever been. This cat claims that days used to be shorter – but never longer than the 24 hours they’ve been ever since man lived here.
There’s more to come, but please let this sink in while I repeat a question you refuse to answer:
PROCLAIMER, KNOWING NOW THAT YOUR TRUSTED SCIENTISM SAYS THE EARTH HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED A SINGLE DAY LASTING MORE THAN 24 HOURS, WHAT REASON DO YOU OFFER THAT THE SAME SUN-EARTH CYCLE THAT GIVES US 24 HOUR DAYS NOW MAY HAVE, IN THE PAST, PRODUCED DAYS THAT ARE MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?
Gene: Mike…..where was Jesus ever mentioned in the old testement, as a prexisting being?
Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem-Ephrathah least among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel; whose origin is from of old, from ancient times.
Gene, I just spent a lot of time explaining John 10:33-36. Please comment on the argument I made. For example, do you believe the Jews accused Jesus of claiming to be the Most High God?
Aside from the question I was forced to repeat 2 posts above, I’m still waiting for your answer to this one as well…
PROCLAIMER, IF WE WERE TO ASK YAHWEH IF HE WAS WILLING TO LIE TO HIS CREATION IN SUCH A DECEPTIVE MANNER, DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT HE WOULD ALSO ANSWER, “WHY NOT?”, LIKE YOU DID?
And this one…
Proclaimer, we all acknowledge that there is metaphorical language in the Bible. I assert that there is no indication of metaphorical language in Genesis chapter one.
IF YOU DISAGREE, LIST THE METAPHORS, WHAT THEY ARE METAPHORICALLY ALLUDING TO, AND HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION USING ONLY THE SCRIPTURES. THANKS.
Berean,, being called something dosen’t make you it. JUST is called the word of God because he tell us “what the Father tells him to tell us, not because he “IS” the word of God “HIMSELF”.
In John 1;1, the Word is preceded with the definite article every time. It is not talking about an attribute. HE became flesh. As a second witness, we also know that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that God created all things through Jesus Christ, the Son of God. You have well and truly lost this particular debate Gene. Just as Mike has lost his teaching on the Flat Earth.
Accept it and move on. Otherwise you are just peddling lies and I wouldn’t recommend doing that. No matter what the lie is. No lie is of God. They are all from the Evil One.
And this one…
Proclaimer, you likened me to a cult leader or a dodgy politician for offering only two options in this Genesis versus Scientism discussion. Here are the two options that I pointed out for you…
- Either the Biblical creation account and Scientism are in agreement, or they contradict each other. That is only two options.
- If they contradict each other, either the Biblical account is right, or the Scientism account is right. That is only two options.
Then I asked you to offer any other options you see. Although you clearly implied that there were other options (thus your comparison of me to a cult leader or dodgy politician for only offering two), you have not responded to my request.
PROCLAIMER, PLEASE DO SO NOW.
So even in your model, where the sun and earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago, the very first “day” was dictated by the time it took the earth to rotate once, meaning a certain location on the earth went from sunrise, through nighttime, to the next sunrise. And the next time that same cycle occurred was the second day. And the next time it happened was the third day. And so on and so forth.
Bwahahaha!
What is a day. To us it is 24 hours. On mars it is different. You have acknowledged that. So how long is it when God creates the universe and the sun is not even created? Lol.
Remember that Jesus has a sword coming from his mouth. so we need to understand what that means and that is not too hard right. Likewise, a day is a period of time and morning and evening are the early stage and latter stage in that particular period of time.
So now you just need to add in Heaven day – Length. You will find that God is not dictated to by any day you mention below. Days were made for us, but God wasn’t made for a day either. He decides what a day is. You cannot decide that for him.
And your point about solar day. Obviously you get my drift. That in the Bible there is day and night. So the day part is the sunny stage and the night part is the non-sunny part. Does that work for you? Lol.
So again. You are arguing that the all things were created in 7 x 24 hours despite the sun not existing for the most part. So all days are 24 hours except when night is mentioned, then it is talking about the sunny part. This means the Day of Wrath is 24 hours long for example.
Sounds silly doesn’t it. Whereas, a more reasonable interpretation is that the sword coming from Jesus mouth is the Word of God and days are stages that God determines. Morning and evening are the early and latter parts of the stage.
But carry on embarrassing yourself Mike. Literalism is for kiddies. And in fact, it is also for the wicked so they will not understand. They will think it is dumb and reject it. Thus not understanding the true message.
Proclaimer: In John 1;1, the Word is preceded with the definite article every time. It is not talking about an attribute.
I agree that Jesus has, as one of his many titles, “The Word of God” because he is God’s main spokesman. But I don’t think your definite article argument really means what you think it does. For example…
Acts 13:46… Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first.”
The Greek is “ho logos theos” – the same as Jesus is called. Just because it has a definite article doesn’t mean it can’t be talking about literal words.
A better argument is that Jesus definitely has the title “The Word of God” on his robe in Revelation. Or that, although the phrase “ho logos theos” in John 1:1 could be talking about a literal word(s) that God spoke, it would be absurd to think God is in heaven just hanging around with a bunch of words He spoke. Or that in John 1:14, this particular Word becomes flesh and lives on earth – an absurdity if it was a literal word(s) that God spoke.
Of course Gene has heard all of these arguments before – because I and others have been making those arguments to him for over a decade on HN.
Proclaimer: Bwahahaha!
What is a day. To us it is 24 hours. On mars it is different. You have acknowledged that. So how long is it when God creates the universe and the sun is not even created? Lol.
Ahh… but I’m specifically asking you about the length of earth days AFTER the sun was created/allowed to shine on earth, right? So please answer again, keeping in mind that I’m talking about AFTER the appearance of the sun…
PROCLAIMER, KNOWING NOW THAT YOUR TRUSTED SCIENTISM SAYS THE EARTH HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED A SINGLE DAY LASTING MORE THAN 24 HOURS, WHAT REASON DO YOU OFFER THAT THE SAME SUN-EARTH CYCLE THAT GIVES US 24 HOUR DAYS NOW MAY HAVE, IN THE PAST, PRODUCED DAYS THAT ARE MANY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS?
Proclaimer
Your interpretation of day for God is worth a thousand years ONCE AGAIN IS OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU PUT AWAY WHY PETER SPOKEN.
THE CONTEXT IS THE NEXT RETURN OF JESUS AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE. I’M AFRAID THAT YOU ARE NOT ASSEMBLING WITH JESUS, BUT DISPERSING… (on this subject at least)Proclaimer: So now you just need to add in Heaven day – Length. You will find that God is not dictated to by any day you mention below. Days were made for us…
And therein lies the crux of the matter. You have inadvertently arrived at the very place I was leading you. As we both agree, there is no such thing as a “Heaven day” – as if there is a giant sun that governs day and night in heaven, right? In fact, YOU are the one who jokingly scoffed at such a ridiculous idea, right?
So since there is no such thing as a sun-governed “day” in heaven, you have hit precisely on the head of the nail with your comment that DAYS WERE MADE FOR US.
So when God tells Noah that in seven days, He’ll make it rain for forty days – the word “days” that God uses refers specifically to sun/earth cycles – and nothing else, right?
Because as you also brilliantly pointed out a couple of days ago…
Proclaimer: After all, when you communicate with a certain audience, you need to speak in a way that they will understand…
Absolutely correct! So God wouldn’t tell Noah “seven days” and “forty days” if it wasn’t going to be seven days and forty days the way NOAH would understand them, right? Besides, what other meaning would God have in mind anyway – since the very creation the concept, the mechanism for, and the meaning of a “day” WAS MADE FOR US – as you’ve so brilliantly pointed out above.
Proclaimer, knowing that “days were made for us”, and knowing that “when you communicate with a certain audience, you need to speak in a way that they will understand”…
When God spoke to Noah about seven days and forty days – is there any valid reason to think that God wasn’t speaking about normal earth days that Noah would understand?
When God commanded the Israelites to work for six days and rest on the seventh – is there any valid reason to think that God wasn’t speaking about normal earth days that the Israelites would understand?
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