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Exod.20
[1] And God spake all these words, saying,
[2] I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
[7] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.👇
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:👇
[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:👈👉wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.👈
[12] Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[13] Thou shalt not kill.
[14] Thou shalt not commit adultery.
[15] Thou shalt not steal.
[16] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.Deuteronomy 5
[1] And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
[2] The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[3] The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
[4] The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
[5] (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the work of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,👇
[6] I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
[7] Thou shalt have none other gods before me.👈
[8] Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
[9] Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
[10] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
[11] Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.👇
[12] Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
[13] Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
[14] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
[15] And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. 👈[16] Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
[17] Thou shalt not kill.
[18] Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
[19] Neither shalt thou steal.
[20] Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
[21] Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour’s.👇
1 John 5:3
For the love of God consists in keeping his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome,👇
1 John 5:2,3
We know we love God’s children when we love God and do his commandments.…👇
Rev.14:[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Amen!
Mike……I agree with Proclaimer on this, Because it does give the idea that the heavens and earth did already exist at the time of the beginning of this creation on earth. You also should consider the the words “in the beginning” may only be this present creation we now live in , that may not include other earth beginnings that have taken place before. Does not scripture say, that God will once again make, ” all thing new” , a new heaven and earth.
How do you know if God did not destroy life on this earth by water before, and then he began a new creation in Genesis? Truth is you or no one else does either, we all have much to lear IMO.
Do you understand about radiocarbon dating?
Peace ad love to you and yours Mike……..gene
Hi Mike,
You: Offering praise could be considered participating. This is also how Jesus described his own participation in God’s creation in Proverbs 8:22-31.
And Jesus is the brightest of all the morning stars, right?
Me: I did ask how many morning stars are there mentioned throughout the entire scripture, didn’t I?
What is the reason that you never mentioned how many, but instead you gave the impression that there are loads of them without any support in scripture?
ARE YOU PREOCCUPIED TO SAY THE TRUTH, AND INSTEAD, YOU OPTED FOR CONFUSION?
DO YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE MORNING STARS ARE SONS OF GOD AND THEY WERE TOGETHER ONLY WHEN THE EARTH WAS CREATED AND WERE NOT SO AT ALL AT A LATER STAGE SINCE GOD SAYS SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY WERE TOGETHER WHEN THE EARTH WAS CREATED?
AS PROOF THAT ONLY THESE PARTICULAR MORNING STARS FROM ALL THE SONS OF GOD WERE NOT TOGETHER ANYMORE?
NOW TO PRAISE GOD IN OUR TERMS, CARNAL PEOPLE, IS SIMPLY DONE BY OUR MOUTH, BUT NOT THROUGH OUR ACTIONS!
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE HEAVENLY REALMS PRAISE GOD DEFINITELY BY THEIR ACTIONS ESPECIALLY IN PURE SILENCE TO PLEASE GOD WHO WORKS IN SILENCE.
Psalm 50:21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence;
thou thoughtest that I was altogether such a one as thyself:
but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
You might ask; WHAT AM I AIMING AT?
OBVIOUS THE TRUTH OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!
REGARDING THE MORNING STARS, TO BE CLEAR
THE ONLY MORNING STARS MENTIONED IN SCRIPTURE WHO WERE TOGETHER AND PRAISED GOD BY THEIR DEEDSWHEN THE EARTH WAS CREATED Genesis 1:1
WERE NOT TOGETHER ANYMORE AFTERWARD, AND BY THE SPLIT, DEFINITELY NOT FROM GOD, THE CHAOS OF GENESIS 1:2 WAS CREATED, WHERE GOD CREATED ANEW OUR WORLD, NEVERHTLESS IN HARMONY BUT
BETWEEN THE LIGHT AND THE DARKNESS!
BETWEEN THE ONLY MORNING STARS MENTIONED IN JOB 38;7
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Mike: …BIG SCIENCE does not allow for a heaven and earth formed entirely from water as their primary building blocks.
Proclaimer: Wrong! The bible clearly states that God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was void. Then he got to work terraforming the planet. He hovered over the deep / waters. From there he separated night and day and sea and land.
The fact that science thinks the earth was an ocean world is a recent development. The bible said this thousands of years ago.
There are many errors in what you wrote above, but in an effort to not become bogged down in your many mistakes, let’s just stick to the point I made.
The Bible says that the earth was formed FROM water.
Now… does BIG SCIENCE allow for an earth that was FORMED FROM water? Of course not. BIG SCIENCE says that the earth was formed FROM a hot swirling cloud of space dust, and began as a blob of molten magma (no water involved). So which account is the true one? Molten magma? Or water?
Proclaimer: Be a truth seeker and you will love God and science.
This describes me. Of course I know the difference between science and scientism. I know that science has never once contradicted the scriptures – while scientism is a cult based upon purposely contradicting the scriptures any and every way it can. You don’t yet realize that there is a huge difference between science and BIG SCIENCE (the cult of scientism).
Let’s do a test…
Charles Lyell, the man who invented the idea that the world is millions of years old – thereby giving his contemporary, Charles Darwin, the time he needed for his silly idea of common descent evolution – made it clear that his agenda was to “free the science from Moses”. https://creation.com/charles-lyell-free-science-from-moses
Proclaimer, does “free the science from Moses” sound like a statement that would be made by someone who practices the unbiased scientific method – following the observable data wherever it may lead? Or by someone in the cult of scientism with a personal ax to grind against the history of the earth as taught in the Bible?
Berean: Hi Mike
God through Jesus Christ CREATED EVERYTHING (as far as our earth is concerned) in SIX DAYS of 24 hours, and he rested on the seventh day.
Do You agree?
I 100% absolutely agree with everything you just stated. 🙂🙏
Mike: But the bottom line is simple, Gene… you either believe the BIBLE that the earth is about 6000 years old – or you believe BIG SCIENCE that the earth is 14 billion years old. Only one of them is true – and try as you might, you’ll never be able to twist the scriptures enough to make them align.
Adam: This is the reality of the matter. Many Christians want to align them both and fail miserably.
They not only fail, but make themselves look silly and weak in the process. By faith AND by science, I believe the Bible – and completely reject the lies of scientism. How about you, Adam?
*Correction: I just noticed that I mistakenly wrote that scientism says the earth is 14 billion years old. The claim from scientism is that the universe is about 14 billion years old, and the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Proclaimer: Yom’ is the Hebrew word for day but it does have varying meanings.
Luckily, we use the word “day” exactly as the Hebrews used the word “yom” – so it makes it easy for us to see what is meant in Genesis 1.
Proclaimer: I might say that back in my mothers day, they didn’t have the internet.
Correct. In fact, I wrote on this thread just yesterday about the flood of “Noah’s day”, and it was clear from context that I meant a time period, not a specific 24 hour day, or the 12 hour daylight part of a 24 hour day, right?
So far we are in agreement. But consider this statement…
It rained day and night on day one of the flood of Noah’s day.
Now we have them all in one sentence. The first “day” refers to the daylight part of the 24 hour cycle. The second “day” refers to the entire 24 hour cycle. And the third “day” refers to a period of time when the earth was flooded while Noah dwelt on the earth, right?
Now go back and look at Genesis 1 again. First thing you need to know is that the construction of 1:1-5 doesn’t allow for a break of time. The Apostle Paul wrote in long, run-on sentences connected with the word “and”. English translators add punctuation and often break up one long statement by Paul into a paragraph of 5 or 6 different sentences. Moses wrote the first 5 verses of the Bible like that. Translated literally, it would read like this…
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters and God said let there be light and there was light and God saw that the light was good and He separated the light from the darkness and God called the light day and the darkness He called night and there was evening and there was morning day one.
There is no break in the statement between verse 2 and verse 3 that allows for millions or billions of years to go by in between, like the proponents of the so-called “gap theory” suggest. It is all one continuous statement about what happened on day one. Speaking of which, the fact that this day is identified by the number one makes it clear that this was a normal 24 hour day. The fact that it was further identified by “there was evening and there was morning” just adds icing to the cake. But the final nail in the coffin for the gap theory is the Sabbath (Ex 31:17). The Israelite Sabbath is derived DIRECTLY from the fact that God created the heaven, the earth, and everything in them in six days, and then rested on the seventh. If these weren’t literal 24 hour days, then there is no reason whatsoever for the Sabbath to fall on the seventh literal 24 hour day. In fact, that God created in six literal days and rested on the seventh is the reason there is such a thing as a “week”.
In my statement above about Noah’s day, you can clearly understand when I’m talking about 12 hours of daylight, when I’m talking about a 24 hour day and night cycle, and when I’m talking about an indefinite period of time. Genesis has all the same indicators so it should be easy for you to read and understand it as Moses wrote it.
Are you beginning to see how scientism is biasing your understanding of scripture? You don’t accept that the world was FORMED FROM water because BIG SCIENCE won’t allow it. You don’t accept that Genesis 1 is clearly describing seven 24 hour days because BIG SCIENCE won’t allow it.
Proclaimer: Why would a strict 12 or 24 hour period be used before there is even a sun by which we derive our 24 hour cycles from?
The 24 hour periods are based on the creation of light and the separation of that light from the darkness. That light was clearly not sunlight, since the sun wasn’t created until 3 days later. In Rev 22:5, we’re told that it’ll be daylight all the time in New Jerusalem… without a sun! So while BIG SCIENCE says that daytime on earth relies on the sun, the Bible tells us that there can be daylight without the sun.
Which account is the truth?
Berean: I BELIEVE THAT THE DAYS MENTIONED IN GENESIS 1 INCLUDE 24-HOUR DAYS, LIKE WE HAVE NOW. And I believe that is THE TRUTH.
Those are words of truth from a person who holds the Bible up as the ultimate authority.
Proclaimer: It could be 6 literal 24 hour periods, but it may not be either.
Those are words of uncertainty from a person who is battling within himself as he tries to decide whether the Bible or Scientism is the ultimate authority. He thinks he can make them align, but it is a fool’s errand.
Proclaimer: I do not think it is 6 literal days but 6 stages.
The ONLY reason you have to even consider such a thing is that the Bible’s account doesn’t align with Scientism’s account. There is absolutely NO other reason. Hopefully my last post will help you come to the truth of the matter. Just remember that when a “yom” is described with “evening and morning” or a number (such as “day two”), it is ALWAYS referring to a literal 24 hour day. This is the case in Genesis 1, so you should no longer be confused about the matter.
Proclaimer: As Christians, I think it is not wise to alienate many other people over a personal view you might hold about the time period required. Because of science, many think your view is foolish. But even if it were right, why alienate your faith from others by making such demands that we believe this view when it is not a requirement? Jesus never taught this requirement.
Please don’t say because of “science”. Science has always aligned perfectly with the Bible. In the future, remember to say that it’s because of Scientism that many think Bible-believers are foolish. Thanks.
Also, what the freak are you trying to say here? Are you saying that we, as Bible-believing Christians, should LIE about Genesis 1 so that we can convert other people into that LIE?
As for Jesus, he said that God created mankind male and female from the BEGINNING of creation (Mark 10:6). Does that sound to you like “13 billion years AFTER the beginning of creation”? Jesus also said that not one jot or tittle of the law and the prophets would fade away – and the law is the writings of Moses. Does that sound like Jesus is okay with only believing certain parts of the law and the prophets, and disregarding others because Scientism tells you to? And Jesus also described his own experience of observing God’s creation in Prov 8:22-31. And just like with Genesis 1, those 10 verses in Proverbs are a continuous statement of things God created in rapid succession. It’s not spanned over billions of years.
Proclaimer: God created the heavens and the earth. Then read what God did in 6 stages after that.
Actually, it’s literally spelled out for us in numerous ways that it was 6 literal days – not “stages”. But let’s just take the one Biblical thing that you do seem to accept… that God created the heavens and the earth. That is in the very first sentence of the Bible, right? So there’s no way you can try to break that single sentence up over billions of years, right? In fact, you talk about what God did “after that” – meaning after He created the heavens AND the earth, right?
But Scientism says that the heavens existed for 10 billion years before the earth did, right? So which account is the truth? Did God create both the heaven AND the earth “in the beginning” – and then do things in stages after that? Or did God create the heavens, and then 10 billion years went by before He created the earth… and then He did things to the earth in 6 stages after that?
Your attempt to align the Bible with Scientism has been failing on every front from the start… but now it’s completely unraveling. And I have barely scratched the surface of the very first book in the Bible. Perhaps it’s time for you to reconsider your stance?
Hi Gene,
You: How do you know if God did not destroy life on this earth by water before,
Me: Gene, unaware of you simply mentioned the truth more or less for the simple reason that if you read
Psalm 18:1-20 HEREUNDER, it clearly and literally reveals that the first world of Genesis 1:1 was in the truth flooded alright, but not by God but by Lucifer by which flood he kick-started the rebellion, THE MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and the only survivor, a human being, or more precise a giant, was saved by God who put him on another planet after he asked help from God, just before he was drowned. God sent this person and was born on this planet as David. This event analogically was manifested on this planet between David and Goliath, symbolically his and God’s enemies.
You: and then he began a new creation in Genesis?
Truth is you or no one else does either, we all have much to learn IMO.
Me: YES ONLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! Read:
Luke 11:9 And I say to you, Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you. 10For every one that asketh, receiveth; and he that seeketh, findeth; and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.
Psalm 18:1
Unto the end, for David the servant of the Lord, who spoke to the Lord the words of this canticle, in the day that the Lord delivered him from the hands of all his enemies, and from the hand of Saul. [2 Kings 22.] I will love thee, O Lord, my strength:
2The Lord is my firmament, my refuge, and my deliverer. My God is my helper, and in him will I put my trust. My protector and the horn of my salvation, and my support.
3Praising I will call upon the Lord: and I shall be saved from my enemies.
4The sorrows of death surrounded me: and the torrents of iniquity troubled me.
5The sorrows of hell encompassed me: and the snares of death prevented me.
6In my affliction I called upon the Lord, and I cried to my God: And he heard my voice from his holy temple: and my cry before him came into his ears.
7The earth shook and trembled: the foundations of the mountains were troubled and were moved, because he was angry with them.
8There went up a smoke in his wrath: and a fire flamed from his face: coals were kindled by it.
9He bowed the heavens, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
10And he ascended upon the cherubim, and he flew; he flew upon the wings of the winds.
11And he made darkness his covert, his pavilion round about him: dark waters in the clouds of the air.
12At the brightness that was before him the clouds passed, hail and coals of fire.
13And the Lord thundered from heaven, and the highest gave his voice: hail and coals of fire.
14And he sent forth his arrows, and he scattered them: he multiplied lightnings, and troubled them.
15Then the fountains of waters appeared, and the foundations of the world were discovered: At thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the spirit of thy wrath.
16He sent from on high, and took me: and received me out of many waters.
17He delivered me from my strongest enemies, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.
18They prevented me in the day of my affliction: and the Lord became my protector.
19And he brought me forth into a large place: he saved me, because he was well pleased with me.
20And the Lord will reward me according to my justice; and will repay me according to the cleanness of my hands:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean: [8] REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY.
[9] SIX DAYS SHALT THOU LABOUR, AND DO ALL THY WORK…
[11] FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY.It doesn’t get much simpler than that, Berean. God’s people are to work for six literal days and rest on the seventh… BECAUSE in six days Yahweh made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them – and rested on the seventh day.
Proclaimer, do you believe and accept the Biblical teaching that we are to work 6 and rest on the 7th BECAUSE God created in 6 and rested on the 7th?
Gene: I agree with Proclaimer on this, Because it does give the idea that the heavens and earth did already exist at the time of the beginning of this creation on earth.
Gene, the Bible’s very first sentence says that in the beginning, God created the heavens AND the earth, right? BIG SCIENCE says that the heavens were already in existence for 10 billion years before the earth came to be.
Will you now attempt to add 10 billion years into the very first sentence of the Bible? Will you change it to say that in the beginning, God created the heavens THEN the earth?
In fact, Genesis actually says that the earth was existing as water and then God created light, and then God created the firmament which He called “heaven”. So literally speaking, the earth came first, and then the heaven.
That doesn’t align with BIG SCIENCE, Gene… so which account is the truth?
Gene: Do you understand about radiocarbon dating?
Yes… very well. Why?
It doesn’t get much simpler than that, Berean. God’s people are to work for six literal days and rest on the seventh… BECAUSE in six days Yahweh made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them – and rested on the seventh day.
👍🙏
Carmel: I did ask how many morning stars are there mentioned throughout the entire scripture, didn’t I?
I don’t know. I usually only skim your posts until I can find one semi-rational statement that can be answered by scripture, and then I address that statement without reading the rest of your incoherent drivel.
Scripture does not tell us the number of morning stars. Nor does scripture tell us that more than one of them (based on the plural “stars” in Job) were gathered together at any point. There could be only two of them, and they sang praises when God created the earth from two different points as far as the east is from the west for all we know. We also aren’t told in scripture whether they’ve ever been apart at any time. There could be a billion of them, and they could have sang praises from a central location, where they remain to this very day.
We can conclude from the fact that Jesus is both a son of God and a morning star that they can be both. But because they are identified as separate from the sons of God in Job, they could be different categories, and Jesus just happens to be the only person who is in both categories.
Anyway, this discussion is about how Scientism and the Bible are at odds, and which account is the truth of the matter. Right now we’re discussing whether God created the heaven and the earth in six literal 24 hour days – or over billions of years. What say you?
Those are words of uncertainty from a person who is battling within himself as he tries to decide whether the Bible or Scientism is the ultimate authority.
Or someone being wise and not making absolute statements where they cannot be warranted.
The Bible says that the earth was formed FROM water.
Mike, you are out of your depth when it comes to understanding science and science in scripture too. You should stick to what you were called to do.
In 2015, a new volcano came out from water.
So it is made of water according to Mike.
Lol.
The ONLY reason you have to even consider such a thing is that the Bible’s account doesn’t align with Scientism’s account.
Truth can be gained from revelation and science.
If one doesn’t agree with the other, then you need to investigate.
As it turns out, they do agree if you read the scriptures without imposing your limited view.
Despite that, it could still be wrong, but if there is more than one way to interpret a passage of scripture and a second witness backs up one of those views, then I tend to sway in that direction. It is where I would put my money if I placed a bet.
I think it is foolish to read it one way only and ignore the second witness and other interpretation. Especially if it places a stumbling block in front of people in need of salvation. Such behavior incurs judgement, so acting like this is foolish.
Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!
You see Mike, I am not into incurring judgement. And notice that I haven’t written off God terraforming Earth in six literal days. I just think the other view has more merit.
I also think saying that the heavens and earth were created 6000 years before they creation of man is foolish and lays a stumbling block to many who could swayed to believe in God, but are put off by stone age thinking of those who claim to be enlightened. If scripture says that God created the heavens and the earth before the first day, then why not accept it? Become enlightened. God didn’t create you with a dull mind. he created you and redeemed you for great things instead.
Also, what the freak are you trying to say here? Are you saying that we, as Bible-believing Christians, should LIE about Genesis 1 so that we can convert other people into that LIE?
Read this slowly. If there are multiple ways to understand a bible verse and one agrees with science or has a second witness, then it is foolish to write if off because you have signed up for the view you learned in Sunday school when you were 5 years old.
Mike, if you are going to believe that every mention of day Yom is exactly 12 or 24 hours in length, then don’t stop there. You also have to believe that the Roman empire (or fourth beast) conquered China and Australia because it says that it trampled the whole earth.
But to any sensible person, they would see that you are imposing your thinking onto the scripture which was written in a different culture. The whole earth to them was the world or civilization. And not even all civilizations because China had a civilization at the same time as Rome.
Obviously then, you need to read each in context. The whole earth is in the context of the world around Israel at that time of which China and Australia had nothing to do with. Likewise, a day in scripture could be a long time or a long time could be a day. Peter spelled it out for you, but it seems you do not believe him.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
There is no break in the statement between verse 2 and verse 3 that allows for millions or billions of years to go by in between, like the proponents of the so-called “gap theory” suggest.
There are two major problems with your statement here.
Let’s first read the first 5 verses.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,”a and there was light. And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”
Issues with Mike’s statement.
- The original Hebrew (and Aramaic) manuscripts were written without vowels and without punctuation. So I guess the whole book happened in one instance? Lol. No gaps aye Mike?
- If God made the heavens and earth on the first day, then it seems that he created the sun after the heavens and the earth meaning that the sun is not part of the heavens and earth because they were already created. Lol x 2.
Even a child can see the problem you have here Mike. But like the Trinitarians, once you stubbornly hold to a doctrine that you learned in Sunday school, not logic nor truth can sway you and thus they prefer to remain foolish in this respect.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Genesis 1:1 is not a title
Genesis 1:1 tells us that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
This is not a title Mike. God created the heavens and the earth before the 6 days if you believe in the chronological order of Genesis 1.
If it took 6 literal days to eventually create man and all that preceded him from a a planet that was covered in water, then God could do that of course. But the heavens and earth were already created and you have to accept that if you claim to believe the scriptures.
So the six days are for making the planet habitable, not for the creation of the universe. In other words, six days to terraform planet earth. I personally think that the six days are six time stages. But if you want to hold to six 12 or 24 hour periods, then fine. You still need to accept that God created the heavens and earth before this. But it seems that you do not believe that, so it is you who ignores scripture.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now….Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, Day 7.
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