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Proclaimer: I never said or alluded to this coming from Spain. Show me where I said that. So your comment is clearly wrong.
I never said you did. Apology forthcoming?
Proclaimer: It’s not that hard to predict that a virus that is kicking about will mutate at some point into a more dangeous version of itself given enough time. You only need common sense and a tiny bit of science to conclude that.
Except for polio, right? And smallpox. And chickenpox. We didn’t seem to have this mutated variant problem with them, right? We just gave everyone the vaccines and that was the end of it, right?
But if, as you say, there’s always a virus kicking about that could turn dangerous at any given time, should we stay masked and locked down forever? What say you? Why or why not?
Proclaimer: Yes that is the real battle. Thank you for agreeing with me.
I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works. If I make the claim that we’re in a battle between good and evil and you say “Yes”, then I think YOU’RE agreeing with ME – not the other way around. 😉
Now, seeing that you do agree with me on that point, would you also then agree that your previous post about “right vs left” was irrelevant, nonsensical, and moot?
Mike: Wake up before Jesus vomits you out of his mouth.
Proclaimer: Jesus is the truth. He didn’t and doesn’t peddle lies.
This is another “Rob Skiba” answer. It doesn’t do anything to address anything I said.
My point was that YOU indicated that you were neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm. I pointed out Jesus’ condemnation of others who were like that. I suggested that you BECOME either hot or cold before Jesus vomits you out of his mouth like he told those others he would.
Your response above has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I said… just like your “Rob Skiba” response didn’t advance any argument from you, or refute one from me.
Please try to step up your game.
Proclaimer: First off, this verse is not about a tree just as Jesus returning to earth is not about a literal samurai sword.
A parable or symbols are not meant to be taken literally like you are doing. It simply is language that gives you a picture about something that you cannot literally see but can understand.
A parable is useless if it isn’t rooted in reality. I suppose that’s why Jesus never gave a parable about a unicorn covered with magic pixie dust. And you are right that parables convey an image that the listeners can understand.
How could listeners understand a tree so tall that the entire earth could see it if they thought they lived on a ball earth? If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to everyone on earth – but this is a complete impossibility on a ball earth, right?
Proclaimer: I will continue this post later. I have an appointment.
I look forward to it. And to your blood test results.
Hi Mike,
I am 100% with you on this!
This is the position of my husband and I, he found this gem on Thursday and texted it to me.
Don’t be radical conspiracy theorists
Many of your arguments would be true if there wasn’t a deadly virus spreading throughout the world.
Special times require special solutions and even sacrifice.
Please note that this doesn’t mean I don’t believe in evil regimes, PC, evil in high places.
But you need to be balanced.
If you are not, then you only make it worse.
If enough people are balanced, reasonable, and freedom loving, then our societies will be better because corrupt politicians and companies would get less respect and less business.
But if we become so free that we are free to shoot people, free to pass on viruses, and free to allow all kinds of stupidity, then the reaction or answer will be big government and strong rules. So keep doing what your are doing if you want your kids growing up in a Socialist country with big government. Because they can rightly demonise you and offer a so-called better way than the one you are offering.
But if there were enough sensible and balanced people in your country, then you cannot play into the hands of these elites because you are sensible.
They want you to be radical and to believe and spread fear. And they love pitting two groups against each other because that blinds us from the real two groups, the government and the people.
The devil is cunning. We should be aware of his cunning and not be foolish enough to play into his hands.
A parable is useless if it isn’t rooted in reality.
Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
The reality presented in the symbology here is that he is not coming back with a samurai proceeding from his mouth.
Likewise, a tree that is so tall that the whole world can see is not about a tree at all and has zero to do with a flat earth.
I never said you did. Apology forthcoming?
Then don’t allude to me lacking in understanding of the Spanish Flu followed by a comment that it is not from Spain.
This is what you said:
You don’t know enough about the so-called “Spanish Flu” (which wasn’t a flu and didn’t originate in Spain)
You haven’t a clue as to what I know about the Spanish Flu. Was I suppose to be impressed with your comment about it not coming from Spain because I supposedly do not know enough or didn’t know that fact?
If that was your intention, then I was not impressed one bit. Because your comment seemed way off base. I learned at the beginning of the Covid pandemic that the Spanish Flu was called that because they reported on it in their newspapers as they were neutral during the war. The surround countries didn’t report on the devastation they were suffering because it would be giving their enemies intel on their vulnerability. Whether that explanation is correct or not, at least I understood that it didn’t originate in Spain. Can you now see how silly your comment appeared to me?
It would probably be good to not assume too much next time. Stick to what you know is factual. That advice would actually help you in a big way I believe. Science is about facts. It has a method. It is not a mythical thing or a righteous feeling. You can’t assume to know things when you have zero proof. Your post was a perfect example of that.
Be wise Mike.
Hi All,
I don’t even know where to begin!
I have studied the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, our government and the healthcare system for over a decade. We are talking about hundreds and hundreds of hours, reading peer reviewed journal articles and documents obtained by the Freedom of Information Act. Bill Gates and Fauci are devils, just as the Roman Emperor Nero was the devil in his day. They are the authors of crimes against humanity, sick greedy individuals with blood on their hands speaking directly to this pandemic. I haven’t been on this forum for awhile mainly because my spare time is spent on reading info regarding this “pandemic” including doctors who have long carriers developing vaccines and wouldn’t touch these injections.
The level of lies, deceit, fraud, conflict of interest, total corruption around this pandemic is MASSIVE!!
Here is what I know and have documentation to back up,
COVID cases are grossly inflated, they are a total lie.
COVID hospitalizations are grossly inflated, they are a total lie.
COVID deaths are grossly inflated, they are a total lie.
We were never in a state of emergency where an EAU “vaccine” is actually legitimate.
From the early onset of the “pandemic” there were KNOWN effective treatments against COVID-19 by our government, but these were suppressed as you can’t authorize an EUA “vaccine” when there are other effective treatments.
Even with the grossly inflated hospitalization and death numbers, in my own state here in the US (ran the numbers again yesterday morning), survival rate is 99.9%, and there is a 99.53% chance I won’t wind up in the hospital. OSHA says I am “in grave danger”, I’d really like them to define my “grave danger”, given the fact of the percentages above and how I am not obese, among the older elderly population, nor have underlying health conditions, where COVID-19 poses a much greater risk.
Not only would I not inject myself with something that was developed by, tested with or contained aborted fetal tissue I also want nothing to do with mRNA injections and their other ingredients known and unknown, as all the ingredients haven’t been fully disclosed. Not only did the CDC illegally change how to categorize deaths at the onset of the “pandemic” they had to change the very definition of vaccines. None of these vaccines create immunity, the trials weren’t even looking to see if they did! The statement that they reduce chance of death is a lie, it is based on no legit evidence from the vaccine trials at all, which the Associate Editor of the BMJ, Peter Doshi, spoke about recently in a US Senate Round Table. The inventor of mRNA technology, Dr. Robert Malone says to stay away from these injections. They have been trying to develop these injections against SARS-CoV-2 for years now and they never made it past animal trials to human trials because once the animals were exposed to a natural coronavirus they suffered immensely and the majority of them died. Moderna and Pfizer in fast tracking the development of these injections didn’t start with animal trials, instead human and animal trials started at the same time, that has never been done before because frankly such is totally unethical.
PCR COVID-19 tests were set at a KNOWN threshold that would produce false positives giving rise to fake COVID cases that then would lead to a “pandemic” that doesn’t even really exist. Even with their fake numbers, there is no true emergency. Never has the media been more corrupt then they have ever been before, but they are sponsored by Pfizer, just as the “fact checkers of Facebook are employees of Johnson and Johnson.
In an interview for an episode of “This Week in Virology” July 16, 2020, Dr. Fauci said, “It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians, when somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”….“So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period,”.
FDA’s instructions to labs were to run PCRs at 45.
https://www.fda.gov/media/139832/download
Freedom of Info Act documents showed that labs across the country are running tests anywhere from 38-45, that equates to KNOWN high rates of false positives by Fauci and many others. This test has been touted all over as the “golden standard” of COVID-19 tests, even though the Nobel Prize inventor of the PCR, Kary Mullis, has stated that this test was not designed to give diagnosis. Unfortunately he died in 2019 and can’t speak out more. The FDA is not renewing it’s EAU to these PCR tests, they will be discontinued at the end of this year. Gates and Soros’s newly purchased company’s tests are now in the cut.
more to come
Jodi……I do believe the statistics have been grossly over stated on the death rates contributed to Covid-19, and there is money driving many of these stats. But I also think that the side effects of the vaccines have also been over exaggerated also. I know many who have taken the vaccines and know of none who suffer side effects from them, including myself . So maybe there is exaggerations on both sides. I do believe it is a very tough strain of flu though, I had it I believe just before it was identified here, it took two months for me to overcome it, after a month I was getting better , then it got worse again and so I called my Doctor and ask for a Zee Pack, and that knocked it out completely. I believe I have now a natural immunity to the virus, but I still took the vaccine, as I am old and as a result most likely have a reduced immune system.
It is a very bad virus Jodi, and has caused a lot of deaths, especially with those who have compromised immune systems.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi………gene
I’m with you on that Gene.
I also think that we can all agree that there exists corruption in high places. That is, governments and big business in particular. We probably agree too, that the virus was likely leaked from a lab and the research was probably funded by the US and other countries. Further, we know that governments never let a crisis go to waste. Thus, they take every opportunity to remove freedoms if it benefits them. Finally, we can all figure out that once government’s see that they can accomplish much more during a crisis, they may even manufacture them in the future to suit their agenda.
Now that we all can likely agree on this, the real question is left. Do you want to catch Covid-19 with no antibodies in your system and risk going on a ventilator, or taking the much less risky approach of being vaccinated and having some antibodies to fight Covid-19 if you come into contact with the virus.
I would also like to say that yes there is always the possibility that the vaccine could have some kind of detrimental now or further down the track. Maybe even decades from now. In defence of this however, is the scientific argument that the vaccine leaves your body in days and only leaves behind antibodies. So all things considered, could the antibodies pose a problem that we are not aware of yet. We don’t know, but what we do know is Covid-19 can kill you. We also know that too many who catch the virus end up with Long Covid which has many detrimental effects over a longer period of time. I personally want to avoid both death from the virus and Long Covid. Call me crazy, but I’m just not that keen on dying right now and I’m not a fan of being hooked up to ventilators.
On a final note, it’s about weighing up the risks and just like good financial advice, I prefer to take the safer route. Remember that while you can make the argument that vaccines are man-made, the virus is probably man-made too. In conclusion, if we look at history, we can see that millions have died from viruses and millions have been saved by vaccines. History, while not perfect, is a good teacher.
In conclusion, if we look at history, we can see that millions have died from viruses and millions have been saved by vaccines. History, while not perfect is a good teacher.
Yes it’s true. The Vaccines proved effective in the past and are effective in the present during this Pandemic. The random data will not prove any thing here. The aftermath of COVID19 is very bad and is life long suffering than the insignificant side effects of Vaccine.
Mike, let me explain why this is not stupid.
Take Smallpox. If lots of people weren’t vaccinated, then it could still infect people because the unvaccinated would give the virus a home. And then if the virus mutated, it would mean the vaccinated might need a booster. But if everyone was vaccinated, then the virus wouldn’t have a home anymore and it would die and thus it wouldn’t mutate meaning you wouldn’t need a booster.
Fighting a virus is a team effort. Do you get it now?
Learn the history of Smallpox.
@Jodi Hi Mike,
I am 100% with you on this!
This is the position of my husband and I, he found this gem on Thursday and texted it to me.
That is such a great meme with a couple of important underpinnings. First, it’s from the movie “The Patriot”, about the American Revolutionary War… where normal everyday farmers and workers were pushed to the point of no return and took their country back from tyrannical rule.
Secondly, the character played by Mel Gibson was a renown warrior – who at first refused to join the American militia, asking why he should trade one tyrant overseas for multiple tyrants right here (what he supposed the new representative republic would be).
It was only after the enemy killed his CHILD that he snapped – and then all bets were off. And that is so fitting because the FDA just last week passed authorization to give this untested gene-altering crap to children – even though there have only been 10 recorded Covid deaths under 18 years old in the US.
California has said it will mandate the jab for 5-11 year olds, and some schools there have already set up vax clinics. AND they say they can jab these kids without the parents’ knowledge or consent!
Will the kids be what ushers in the second American Revolution?
Proclaimer: Many of your arguments would be true if there wasn’t a deadly virus spreading throughout the world.
How long have we lived with the seasonal flu virus? Isn’t it deadly to the same exact “vulnerable” people that Covid is deadly to? In fact, it kills many more young people each year than Covid has ever killed…
Notice that MANY more children were hospitalized and DIED from the 2018-19 season than have ever been hospitalized or DIED from Covid. Should we have had governments locking us down and taking away all kinds of our freedoms ever since the flu has existed – for our own good? Should these governments be allowed to FORCE us into being guinea pigs for new, untested and experimental treatments each year (despite millions dying from them) until they fully eradicate the seasonal flu?
Also notice that the majority of deaths are among the very old, who usually already have weakened immune systems and comorbidities – JUST LIKE WITH COVID!
Now notice how the CDC says there were 29 million flu ILLNESSES in the 2018-19 season – as opposed to CASES. How many CASES do you think there would be if they were urging and even forcing HEALTHY people to be constantly tested with a PCR test that can’t even diagnose ANY illness – and gives 95% false positives at the 40 amplification cycles that were being intentionally used to pump up the Covid numbers? Can you at least see that this is the first time in history that we’ve called asymptomatic healthy people a “case”? Why do you think that is?
Now, consider that our usual 25-40 MILLION flu cases (ie: people who were actually SICK with the flu) was only 2800 in 2020. What happened to the flu in the 2020-21 season? Could it be that the vast majority of “Covid cases” were actually seasonal flu cases?
And finally, consider that the CDC has said that only 5% of the reported Covid deaths actually died FROM Covid. That amounts to about 28,000 “Covid deaths” in America. How many flu deaths are listed in that chart above? Yep… 28,000.
So, if we apply logical thinking, we can see that it’s almost as if “Covid cases” took the place of the yearly flu cases, and “Covid deaths” took the place of the yearly flu deaths. Hmm…
At any rate, all of this means that your argument above is moot – since there is ALWAYS a “deadly virus” making people sick and killing them all over the world. So now you must make your stand one way or the other…
1. Accept that it is the right of government to ALWAYS force you into lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and experimental treatments because there is ALWAYS a deadly virus lurking.
2. Accept that my arguments are valid and true, and that Covid is nothing more than a flu-like virus being hyped up to scare gullible people into submitting to tyrannical overlords under the guise of “doing your patriotic duty to save lives”.
Proclaimer: Likewise, a tree that is so tall that the whole world can see is not about a tree at all and has zero to do with a flat earth.
In your ball earth fantasy, is it even a REMOTE POSSIBILITY for a tree to be sufficiently tall that the entire world could see it?
On the other hand, if the earth was flat, is it at least possible in theory for God to make a tree so tall that everyone on earth can see it?
And this is just one example. We also have Satan taking Jesus to a mountain high enough that he could see all of the kingdoms of the earth. Another complete impossibility if we lived on a ball – but possible in theory if the earth was flat.
And we have Jesus saying that the entire earth would see him when he descends from heaven, which is yet another complete impossibility on a ball earth, but possible in theory if the earth is flat.
What I want to hear from you is what Adam and so many scholars have already acknowledged: Whether or not YOU PERSONALLY believe we live on a flat earth, it is abundantly clear that the Bible is a flat earth book that includes a hard-as-bronze dome over it that separates the waters above from the waters below, and in which the sun, moon, and stars run their appointed circuits over the stationary and unmovable earth.
Are you able to do that yet?
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