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Proclaimer: Empty space exists, but you deny it.
“He stretches out the north over empty space
The earth doesn’t hangs on anything because of gravity.
And hangs the earth on nothing.
Clouds are the waters above.
“He wraps up the waters in His clouds,
Mike, you have been well and truly roasted over this flat earth theory.
I don’t deny empty space. The phrase “God stretches out” is always used of the heavens in scripture, never of the earth. From the commentary of Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges…
…it is scarcely probable that “the earth” would be used as a parallel to “the north,” a part of the earth. The northern region of the heavens also, with its brilliant constellations clustering round the pole, would naturally attract the eye, and seem to the beholder, who looked up to it through the transparent atmosphere, to be stretched out over the “empty place,” that is, the vast void between earth and heaven.
There is a whole lot of empty space between the earth and the firmament.
I don’t deny that God hangs the earth on nothing either. Again, from Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges…
The eye was impressed by the great void between earth and the starry heavens. The latter were stretched over this abyss, upheld by nothing under them, a striking instance of the power of God; while the broad face of the earth lay firm below this void though hung from no support that upheld it. The idea of modern astronomy that the earth is a ball, poised free on all sides in space, is of course not found here.
As for your claim about rainwater in clouds, I can’t decide if you are even being serious. If water in clouds was the “waters above” and the oceans were the “waters below”, then what is the “hard-as-bronze firmament” that God made to separate the two?
So yep… you really “roasted” me by defeating your own strawman arguments there. 🙄😂
Admin: I have changed this topic title because G00gle is penalizing the ranking in their index due to the right-hand side bar mentioning the word ‘v-c-n’ in it multiple times. I hate the censorship, but this search engine holds websites to ransom with their abusive monopolistic power.
Why do you think Google would penalize this discussion based solely on the the “v” word? Why do you suppose they’d censor open and honest discussion from both sides of the topic?
Awake yet? 😉
The Shape of the Earth
Disregarding the dome, the essential flatness of the earth’s surface is required by verses like Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth…reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth’s farthest bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible to “the earth’s farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical earth. Likewise, in describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him…”
https://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/misc/misc/FlatEarth/FlatEarthAndBible.html
One may argue about whether the Bible is correct in it’s depiction of a flat and stationary earth affixed on pillars, with lights in the sky running appointed circuits over it in a hard-as-bronze vaulted firmament – but no intelligent person would attempt to argue that the Bible doesn’t depict this type of earth/heaven.
Hey Proclaimer, are you out protesting for freedom alongside your brothers and sisters?
If not, why not?
How about you, Miia? Have you partaken in any protests against these tyrannical dictators and their asinine rules?
No. But I will help vote out our Socialist government. They are very unpopular at the moment.
As for loss of freedom. I get it. We went for an elimination strategy and it worked and we were freer than the rest of the world. We had concerts when you guys were in lockdown. But since Delta’s arrival, we have been unable to eliminate it mostly because people touted the rules. This explains the heavy handed approach because of a few touting the rules, they impacted every single person which seems very selfish to me.
So because people did not obey like the first time we had lockdown, we are now losing the battle this time around and will basically have to live with the virus. Same goes for our neighbours across the ditch.
If the virus still has us in some kind of lockdown further down the track, then yes there will come a point where I will say, they have taken our freedom away. In this case, the governments of Australia and NZ will both lose the next election. We have been a free society for as long as our societies have existed. People here will not put up with tyranny. But people understand that we are allowing loss of freedom for a time, in order to beat a virus. Big difference. If that loss of freedom continues and cannot be justifiably about the virus anymore, then opposition governments will win the next elections because they will give the freedom people want. Elections are held every 3 years in NZ, and one is due in 2022 I think.
Seriously, the news has exaggerated what is going on over here. We are free. It is only our largest city that is in a lockdown because the virus is spreading there. The rest of the country is free. But I will admit, the NZ government is Socialist and I have more problem with them on their Marxist economic and race based policies than their strategy in trying to beat the virus.
Sometimes to understand something you need to exaggerate it. So I will do that now. Imagine this was Ebola and people were spreading that virus because of their argument around freedom. And you were the government. Would you let freedom reign supreme knowing that Ebola will spread to the whole country, or would you arrest people who were risking the spread of Ebola to the rest of the country including innocent people who were willing to lose freedom for a time to overcome this.
Does it not seem selfish to you that a few people are enforcing their strategy against the majority? You might be thinking I am talking about the government. No, I am talking about those touting the rules and forcing everyone to live with the virus while vaccination numbers are low.
Why do you think Google would penalize this discussion based solely on the the “v” word? Why do you suppose they’d censor open and honest discussion from both sides of the topic?
Awake yet?Because Dr Evil runs G00gle?
Of course, I am aware how corrupt the MSM and Big Tech companies are. And Big Pharma.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Rob Skiba died from Covid-19.
Proclaimer: I will help vote out our Socialist government. They are very unpopular at the moment.
I appreciate you explaining your understanding of what’s what, but some of it is just parroting MSM talking points. I’m happy you will help vote out the current tyrants. Covid has exposed a ton of these tyrants in the USA too, and now that we know who’s who, we’ll hopefully vote all of them out. We have an election for Governor of Virginia this coming Tuesday, and it will be a big test for us.
Proclaimer: As for loss of freedom. I get it. We went for an elimination strategy and it worked…
Freedoms granted by constitutions are not halted by a pandemic – real or imagined. If Person A is afraid of catching something, then Person A has the choice to wear a mask, lock themselves down, splash Lysol all over their home, and wash their hands 100 times a day. But Person A’s fear of a real or imagined illness should NEVER hinder Person B’s freedoms in any way.
1. Never before has any nation forcibly quarantined the HEALTHY. The very idea is ludicrous.
2. You cannot run and hide from a virus – as you now know.
3. The second that YOU acquiesce to tyrannical lockdowns and losses of God-given freedoms, you have already played right into their hand.
Proclaimer: But since Delta’s arrival, we have been unable to eliminate it mostly because people touted the rules. This explains the heavy handed approach because of a few touting the rules, they impacted every single person which seems very selfish to me.
1. Is there actually such a thing as a “Delta variant”? How do you know for sure? It seems to me that if I wanted to sell $Billions worth of vaxxes, and it was evident shortly after the rollout that people who got the vax still caught, spread, became hospitalized for, and died from the thing the vax was supposed to protect them against, I’d just INVENT a “variant”. Then I could blame the variant on the unvaxxed (prompting them to be shamed into buying the first vax) WHILE somehow being able to IMMEDIATELY produce a NEW vax that allegedly works against the “variant” so I could make $Billions more on it.
Think logically. Indoctrinated people get a flu shot every year ($Billions) because the flu allegedly evolves a new strain every year. But how did Covid evolve a new strain in MONTHS? And how were they able to have a new vax to deal with that new strain so quickly?
2. You claim that the alleged “Delta variant” is the fault of the unvaxxed. Why? If we know that the vaxxed can still catch and spread Covid, then isn’t it at least as likely that Delta “evolved” inside those who had been vaxxed? Actually, it’s more likely if you believe any of this story at all. Again, think logically: If Covid was achieving its goal before the vaxxes, then there would be no impetus for it to “evolve” a new strain. But if the vax allows you to catch the virus but then fights it off once inside you… THAT is the very situation that would prompt it to evolve a new strain that is impervious to the vax. Think of the old story of “antibody resistant bacteria”. They only exist BECAUSE the original antibodies (penicillin, etc.) fought off their predecessors, right? If nobody ever took penicillin, then they would have had no impetus to evolve into a new strain that was impervious to penicillin, right?
So, because you believe all this science falsely so-called, then you of all people should understand that the Delta variant is the DIRECT cause of the VAXXED – and wouldn’t even exist if nobody had ever gotten vaxxed.
Proclaimer: So because people did not obey like the first time we had lockdown, we are now losing the battle this time around and will basically have to live with the virus.
So basically, you’ll eventually reach NATURAL herd immunity, right? And what would have happened without the tyrannical lockdowns and masks and vaxxes? The same exact thing!
Proclaimer: If the virus still has us in some kind of lockdown further down the track, then yes there will come a point where I will say, they have taken our freedom away. People here will not put up with tyranny.
But you’ve already proven their point. Covid was a test. It wasn’t ever going to be a world-ending event. They purposely released a very weak flu to see if the MSM could scare and indoctrinate the masses to the point that they’d WILLINGLY give up their freedoms. You passed that first test with flying colors! The second test was to see if they could get the indoctrinated scared sheep to do their dirty work for them, by snitching on, blaming, and forcing the non-conformers into compliance. You’ve also passed that test.
You were so easily manipulated that you still to this day believe that this was a serious threat to humanity, that the vax helped you, that tyrannical loss of freedom was a good thing, and that the non-conformers are the ones to blame for your continued losses of freedom.
What you don’t see is that if it wasn’t for us non-conformers, your enslavement would have NEVER ended. Because while far too many of you walked willingly to the slaughterhouse, there were still enough of us seeing this for what it truly is. So when this is all said and done, I truly hope that you THANK people like me and Miia for being the only thing that stood between the indoctrinated sheep and the never-ending and complete tyrannical rule over you that they were trying to achieve.
Proclaimer: Imagine this was Ebola and people were spreading that virus because of their argument around freedom. And you were the government. Would you let freedom reign supreme knowing that Ebola will spread to the whole country, or would you arrest people who were risking the spread of Ebola to the rest of the country including innocent people who were willing to lose freedom for a time to overcome this.
Yes, I would ALWAYS and under EVERY circumstance let our God-given freedoms reign supreme. I keep reminding you to think logically – because it doesn’t seem to come naturally to you.
1. Can you prevent the spread of Ebola by shutting down your livelihood and wearing a mask and locking yourself into your house? Not even a chance. You cannot run and hide from a virus. If you could, we’d do this every single flu season, right? Why don’t we? Think it out.
2. Who are these people who will be arresting me? Why are THEY not in forced lockdown? What is stopping THEM from spreading the Ebola TO me when they come to arrest me? How will I live without food? It’ll be delivered to me? By WHOM? And why are THOSE people not in forced lockdown? What makes THEM immune from Ebola while they are producing, loading, transporting, stocking and delivering that food to me?
Proclaimer: Does it not seem selfish to you that a few people are enforcing their strategy against the majority? You might be thinking I am talking about the government. No, I am talking about those touting the rules and forcing everyone to live with the virus while vaccination numbers are low.
Let’s once again think logically about your claim. Let’s say that 100% of your country all immediately agreed to lock themselves inside their homes to “escape” the virus. Look at my previous comment above. How will you all get your food and drink during the lockdown?
Don’t you understand that there must be SOMEONE who is NOT locked down to keep society running and feed you people? As long as there is even ONE SINGLE PERSON who is free to come and go to feed the rest of you, there is a chance that they can get and spread the virus to all of you.
YOU. CANNOT. HIDE. FROM. A. VIRUS!
The ONLY option is to try our best to protect the vulnerable and let the virus run its course until NATURAL herd immunity is achieved. The sooner you learn this, the better off you’ll be. Then next time, maybe you’ll be standing beside me and Miia, instead of doing the bidding of the deep state by working against us.
Proclaimer: Because Dr Evil runs G00gle?
Of course, I am aware how corrupt the MSM and Big Tech companies are. And Big Pharma.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Rob Skiba died from Covid-19.
The guy trying to make a joke on me can’t even bring himself to spell Google correctly for fear of being caught. 😎 And if you acknowledge that Big Pharma, Big Tech, and the MSM are all corrupt, then why do you bend over backwards to toe their official narrative concerning Covid and many other things? 🤔 It seems to me that if I’m accepting and promoting the narrative of known liars and crooks who censor any opposition to their own story, then I just might be on the wrong side of the issue.
I don’t know what Rob died from, but I do know that General Colin Powell died last week from Covid after being double vaxxed…
I also know that tens of thousands of others have died from Covid after being fully vaxxed. So what point are you trying to make here? And why do you think that continually bringing up a death that affected me personally – and always in a derogatory “I told you so” manner – is Christian, or even decent behavior?
https://tv.gab.com/channel/triplecrown777/embed/dr-lenny-da-costa-of-goa-61256ced73f177cc4ef5fc2f
Contrary to what Adam was saying, the UP province of India was only 5% vaxxed when they started giving the Ivermectin to the masses. Knowing that vaxxed people can still catch, spread, be hospitalized for, and die from Covid in AT LEAST as many numbers as the unvaxxed, logical thinking when comparing Singapore above with UP in India will tell you that it was the Ivermectin, not the vax, that saved those people and eradicated Covid from their midst.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/28/florida-gov-ron-desantis-has-shown-how-to-handle-covid-19/
Proclaimer, did they need tyrannical lockdowns or losses of freedom? Nope… just common sense. When DeSantis first announced his plans of using Ivermectin and other cheap prophylactics, the MSM went ballistic on him, saying that he was going to murder millions, and that Florida would be the biggest super spreader in the nation. But a few short months later, Florida has the LOWEST rates of Covid in the entire nation.
So basically, based on your most recent posts, you would have been a brother in arms with the MSM, talking about how it only takes a few who tout the rules to ruin it for everyone, right? But look how it turned out.
Now take that information and apply it to NZ. What if YOU guys would have just let it run its course, providing Ivermectin to anyone who caught a bad case of it? No lockdowns. No tyranny. No loss of jobs. No stress. Very little death. And natural herd immunity a year ago.
That’s how it’s eventually going to turn out for every nation. But now that they know they can count of people like you who are willing to give up your (and everyone else’s) freedoms for a propagandized “national emergency”, there will be plenty of “national emergencies” to follow. Do you know better now? Or are you STILL going to continue parroting the lies of those whose names you can’t even spell correctly for fear of being shut down by them?
Hmm…
This is only half of the list of actual peer-reviewed scientific papers that show Ivermectin (and other anti-parasitic drugs) stop/cure cancers.
Q once asked concerning cancer: What if cures already exist?
But I’m asking if cancer is a parasite. If it isn’t, then why would scientists even TRY an anti-parasitic drug on it? And why on earth would these anti-parasitic drugs work on it?
Remember, Big Pharma doesn’t get rich by CURING people. They get rich by KEEPING THEM SICK so they can keep buying their expensive lab products.
Mike…..What do you do with this, Even God commanded the people of Israel, to separate those infected with different things to be evacuated from the rest of the people of Israel, because of cross contamination.
How do you fit that into you idea of no restrictions of freedoms of people? It has been clearly shown over and over, that separation and isolation does works, God even commanded it. You trying to make this COVID-19 virus vaccines , as some kind of Government Conspiracy , and we should not all try to isolate it as best as we can, because we might be loosing our “freedoms” , is in my opinion foolish at best.
Vaccines are giving our bodies a better chance to fight off the virus, if we attract it. They can prevent death and have been shown to have saved millions upon millions of lives over many, many, many years now, By sound Scientific evidence .
peace and love to you and yours Mike………gene
Mike: 1. Never before has any nation forcibly quarantined the HEALTHY. The very idea is ludicrous.
Gene: Mike…..What do you do with this, Even God commanded the people of Israel, to separate those infected with different things to be evacuated from the rest of the people of Israel, because of cross contamination.
How do you fit that into you idea of no restrictions of freedoms of people? It has been clearly shown over and over, that separation and isolation does works, God even commanded it.
Gene, read what I said to Proclaimer today. I’ve already said the same thing a number of times on this thread. Look at the word I capitalized. Are you able to see the difference now? Did God ever command Israel to separate HEALTHY people from each other?
Gene: You trying to make this COVID-19 virus vaccines , as some kind of Government Conspiracy , and we should not all try to isolate it as best as we can, because we might be loosing our “freedoms” , is in my opinion foolish at best. Vaccines are giving our bodies a better chance to fight off the virus, if we attract it. They can prevent death and have been shown to have saved millions upon millions of lives over many, many, many years now, By sound Scientific evidence .
Gene, all you have to do is look at the data.
1. Nations/people that have NOT vaxxed are doing BETTER than those who did vax.
2. Hospitals and government leaders (even school boards) are being given MILLIONS of dollars to promote and enforce masks and vaccines. Why? If it was demonstrably good for us, then WHY the bribes, coercion, and forced mandates?
3. There are currently more hospitalizations and deaths among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed, so no… the vax ISN’T giving anyone a better chance at surviving a virus that already has a 99% survivability rate without any vax.
4. You cannot “isolate” from an airborne virus, Gene. You cannot outrun it or hide from it. Any attempts to do so are completely futile.
5. The “vaccines” aren’t even a vaccine at all. They are an experimental and untested genetic code that is injected into your body and which tells your body to genetically produce something your body wouldn’t have otherwise produced. They are ALTERING your genetic code, Gene!
6. There have already been a million severe adverse reactions to the vax reported to VAERS – which only collects data on Americans – not the rest of the world. Those adverse reactions include 20,000 DEATHS. And it is estimated that VAERS only represents about 10% of the real total, since the vast majority go unreported. That is even worse this time, since we have proof that doctors are being told NOT to report adverse reactions and deaths to VAERS. There are even criminal cases pending against some of these healthcare systems.
Gene, who would order doctors to NOT report problems with a vaccine? WHY would they do that? But even with all of this lawlessness going on, there are still WAY more severe reactions and deaths reported for the Covid “vaccines” than all other vaccines in history put together.
When the Swine Flu vax resulted in 50 deaths, they immediately pulled it. We’re now up to maybe 200,000 deaths just in America – and instead of pulling it, they are MANDATING it!
Do you really not see what’s going on? Are you really so blindly indoctrinated by the MSM and Big Science/Big Pharma that you can overlook these facts and pretend that they don’t exist?
Wake the heck up, man. It’s time for you to open your eyes to who really runs this world, and what his plans are for us. (2 Cor 4:4)
theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/24/new-zealand-prime-minister-admits-it-is-her-intention-to-cate-two-purposeful-classes-of-citizens-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-zealand-prime-minister-admits-it-is-her-intention-to-create-two-purposeful-classes-of-citizens-vaccinated-and-unvaccinatedre
Watch her say in on video in with her own mouth!
I tried to post it with the entire link, but got this…
So you’ll have to add the “https : //” to the front of the website above to see the video.
Here’s a Twitter version of the same…
So Proclaimer, only one question: WHY?
If we know that the vaxxed have no actual protection over the unvaxxed, and we know that Covid itself is virtually harmless to 99% of people, then what actual HEALTH BENEFIT is attained by separating the people into a caste system where one group has rights that the other group doesn’t?
Will you join in the protests now? Or remain silent as freedoms are forcibly taken from your brothers and sisters just because you are among the “good” caste?
You can tell this is from a MSM publication by the claim that the blood clots are “extremely rare”. They are most certainly NOT rare, and tens of thousands have suffered loss of limbs because of them. There are even entire nations who banned that particular vaccine due solely to the HUGE amount of blood clotting issues.
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