Conception

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,19:07)

Hi not3, The Word who comes again as a mighty warrior was with God in the beginning.

We agree on this point.
Delving further into the “how” he was with God in the very beginning is the heartbeat of debate.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning?
Why not the firstborn monogenes son?
Jb38

[gollamudi]

Hi Nick,
I think You can not leave this phrase 'monogenes son'. Can you show me where this monogenes son was born in O.T.? What form he was there, whether he was an angel or some spirit being? You know angels or any celestial beings they are immortal in nature which means they can not become mortals. If so then they seem to exist as immortal which is against the nature of creation of God. Jesus told that no man has ever ascended to heaven except himself that too after his resurrection. How can mortal take abode in heaven if at all Jesus in some pre-existent status has to be with God?
Don't you get all these questions like us?
Please apply your mind and heart.
take care.
Adam

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,22:56)

Hi not3, Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning? Why not the firstborn monogenes son? Jb38

Angels were not conceived.
Jesus was conceived.

How can “Jesus” be alive until he is conceived?
Do the gospels lie?
Do they mislead us?

[seek and you will find]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 01 2008,01:13)

Hi Nick, I think You can not leave this phrase 'monogenes son'. Can you show me where this monogenes son was born in O.T.? What form he was there, whether he was an angel or some spirit being? You know angels or any celestial beings they are immortal in nature which means they can not become mortals. If so then they seem to exist as immortal which is against the nature of creation of God. Jesus told that no man has ever ascended to heaven except himself that too after his resurrection. How can mortal take abode in heaven if at all Jesus in some pre-existent status has to be with God? Don't you get all these questions like us? Please apply your mind and heart. take care. Adam

I hav noticed something that I do not like on people and that is that if you do not agree with them, you act different to them, then if you do agree with the person. That is not Christian like my friend. We are to love all. That is the Commandment that God has given us. Love God with all of your Heart and your neighbor as thyself. This is the greatest Commandment of all. I hope and pray that in the future that you are a little kinder to those that disagree with you.
Peace and Love Irene

[Not3in1]

Quote (seek and you will find @ June 01 2008,04:32)

Quote (gollamudi @ June 01 2008,01:13) Hi Nick, I think You can not leave this phrase 'monogenes son'. Can you show me where this monogenes son was born in O.T.? What form he was there, whether he was an angel or some spirit being? You know angels or any celestial beings they are immortal in nature which means they can not become mortals. If so then they seem to exist as immortal which is against the nature of creation of God. Jesus told that no man has ever ascended to heaven except himself that too after his resurrection. How can mortal take abode in heaven if at all Jesus in some pre-existent status has to be with God? Don't you get all these questions like us? Please apply your mind and heart. take care. Adam I hav noticed something that I do not like on people and that is that if you do not agree with them, you act different to them, then if you do agree with the person. That is not Christian like my friend. We are to love all. That is the Commandment that God has given us. Love God with all of your Heart and your neighbor as thyself. This is the greatest Commandment of all. I hope and pray that in the future that you are a little kinder to those that disagree with you. Peace and Love Irene

We all agree and disagree.  We have our camps.

But we still love one another, I hope. I certainly sense this feeling coming from Adam when he addresses his brethren.

 

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,03:12)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,22:56) Hi not3, Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning? Why not the firstborn monogenes son? Jb38 Angels were not conceived. Jesus was conceived. How can “Jesus” be alive until he is conceived? Do the gospels lie? Do they mislead us?

Hi not3,
Are angels not alive then?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2008,07:50)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,03:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,22:56) Hi not3, Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning? Why not the firstborn monogenes son? Jb38 Angels were not conceived. Jesus was conceived. How can “Jesus” be alive until he is conceived? Do the gospels lie? Do they mislead us? Hi not3, Are angels not alive then?

Was Adam alive?

[gollamudi]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,05:29)

We all agree and disagree.  We have our camps. But we still love one another, I hope.  I certainly sense this feeling coming from Adam when he addresses his brethren.

Hi Mandy,
You are absolutely right my sis, without love and concern I can not participate in this forum.
May God give us understanding to be free from all miscalculations.
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Who did God give understanding to?

Jn3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

2Peter 1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

[gollamudi]

Hi Nick,
Why are you questioning my faith and salvation?
Then you are not in brotherly love.
Some times I have to doubt your understanding about God.
Please take care before you see the speck in your brother's eye.
Adam

[Not3in1]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 01 2008,22:07)

Hi Nick, Why are you questioning  my faith and salvation? Then you are not in brotherly love. Some times I have to doubt your understanding about God. Please take care before you see the speck in your brother's eye. Adam

Brother Adam,

The fruit of the Spirit is evident in a persons life. You need not defend yourself.

In the end, our works will be rewarded. So press on and add to your faith all the wonderful things God asks us to. Including patience with the brethren.

I'm going to work on mailing that book to you and your wife this week, Adam. I'll let you know, OK?

Love,
Mandy

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,12:39)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2008,07:50) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,03:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,22:56) Hi not3, Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning? Why not the firstborn monogenes son? Jb38 Angels were not conceived. Jesus was conceived. How can “Jesus” be alive until he is conceived? Do the gospels lie? Do they mislead us? Hi not3, Are angels not alive then? Was Adam alive?

Hi not3,
You seem to say beings must be conceived to be alive but Adam and the angels and God Himself would deny such claims.

[NickHassan]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 01 2008,22:07)

Hi Nick, Why are you questioning  my faith and salvation? Then you are not in brotherly love. Some times I have to doubt your understanding about God. Please take care before you see the speck in your brother's eye. Adam

Hi GM,
No judgement and I agree with you.
I am sorry such an interpretation could be taken.
May God give all who are in Christ wisdom and understanding.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2008,06:22)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,12:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2008,07:50) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 01 2008,03:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2008,22:56) Hi not3, Were the angelic sons with God in the beginning? Why not the firstborn monogenes son? Jb38 Angels were not conceived. Jesus was conceived. How can “Jesus” be alive until he is conceived? Do the gospels lie? Do they mislead us? Hi not3, Are angels not alive then? Was Adam alive? Hi not3, You seem to say beings must be conceived to be alive but Adam and the angels and God Himself would deny such claims.

You misunderstand creating versus conception.

Angels are created.
Adam was created.
The plan after that was provided by conception.

The plan won't change until resurrection.
Even though we are born again of the spirit, we still need to be adopted and given our eternal status.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Would you oppose the plan of God, sending of the Word to become flesh?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 02 2008,08:59)

Hi not3, Would you oppose the plan of God, sending of the Word to become flesh?

Silly questions deserve silly faces!

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….now there's a miracle a word (became) Flesh, tell us how that works. I thought a word was Spirit not Flesh and blood. Please explain. I can understand how a word can exist in a flesh body as a thought, but become flesh, impossible. Maybe if we straight this out a lot of things might fall into place, about this word business, please enlighten us Nick.

waiting………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,
Do you not believe what the scriptures say
unless they fit with your human logic?

[GeneBalthrop]

Mandy and Adam………….It's good to see your salt, remember what our brother said “have salt in yourselves, and if salt looses it's savor it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under by the foot of man. Therefore Have salt in yourselves and have peace.”

love and peace to you both…………………..gene

PS…..Adam I wrote you back an email I will send you some of my wittings and study information but I need your Mailing address. Peace to you and your wife and family brother……………gene

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