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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2011,13:43) Hi Princess, Nice avatar.
Do you have any idea why the ancients settled on THREE in their Godheads?
mike! You asked princess a question, I hope princess don't mind if I say something about it. At that time when Constantine was the Roman Emperor, He changed so much. Gods Calendar became the Roman C. the Sabbath was changed to Sunday worship. And much more…Anyone going against his rule, was persecuted and killed by the Catholic Church….In their Churches Basements today, is still evidence of tortures machines….Some were turned into Museums. Bibles were not available, and in general the people were left in the dark….. A very sad time…. Even when I was growing up, we didn't have a Bible either. Not until Georg was 47 and I was 46 did we started to read the Bible. God called us out of the Catholic Church and we for the first time even understood what the Bible was teaching us…. Thanks be to our wonderful God….We have learned so much, it bugles my mind at times…..
It wasn't easy to leave that Church, especially for myself. I was very active. Sang in the Choir, started a Woman's Organization,
was the President of that Organization and of the Rosary Society…. Maria worship is a big thing in that Church….. The Statue of Maria was paraded from the Church to their College and back. It was a candlelight parade while saying the Rosary…. All done at night…. If you ever look at the Churches, their Altars are faced to the East, where the Sun goes up….
So many things that are wrong… and all in the name of God……., Peace and Love IreneThis thread has been very poorly moderated IMO. Pages 1-2 are a disgrace. You mods need to lift your game and enforce some consequences for the immature personal attacks, or someone needs to be appointed who knows what he/she is doing.
I would suggest Is 1:18 as a moderator, but he's trinitarian, so everything he says is wrong. (I say this only to irritate the logic of Is 1:18)
Not really, good moderators act impartially and don't allow their theological proclivities to override their judgement.
All I'm really asking for is members be held to the rules of the forum:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….5;t=482
If the current moderates are impotent in this task, find some new ones.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Sep. 11 2011,15:19) This thread has been very poorly moderated IMO. Pages 1-2 are a disgrace. You mods need to lift your game and enforce some consequences for the immature personal attacks, or someone needs to be appointed who knows what he/she is doing.
Is.You are of course entitled to your opinion, but when someone only criticizes certain people or this website then crying wolf has a lesser impact each time.
People are allowed to criticize a person's doctrine. It is not the same as passing final judgement on a person. That is for God to do.
I remind you of these words:
Titus 1:9:
He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.Refuting someone is quite different to passing final judgement on a person like saying you are evil, or a liar. But it is OK to say, I think you lied. There is a difference. Often moderation is just sorting out whether a person is refuting a person's doctrine and as a result is deeply offended, or if a person is attacking, accusing falsely, or bullying someone.
Also, Moderators rely on posts being reported and many do get reported. If you expect moderators are going to read every post on here themselves, then feel free to fully fund them while they leave their day jobs and go full time in moderating HN. Do I hear an amen or is that you running in the other direction?
Is. Complaining and criticizing is not helpful. Is it not better to be a light and a help, rather than complain and accuse?
Quote (david @ Sep. 11 2011,15:48) I would suggest Is 1:18 as a moderator, but he's trinitarian, so everything he says is wrong. (I say this only to irritate the logic of Is 1:18)
I wouldn't vote for him purely based on some behavior he has displayed in some topics. Read some of the early posts in one of the debates I had with him. He was very unreasonable. Even WJ, who joined in repented later on as he said he felt convicted for the way he was treating some people. Good on WJ. But Is never did apologise. That alone would be enough for me to not give him my vote of confidence.A moderator needs to be fair and believe me as a moderator I have had to penalise people I agreed with (in doctrine) in favour of the person I didn't agree because the person I agreed with stepped on a rule while the other person didn't. Also, when 2 people engage in a argument where both are breaking the rules, I tend to give warnings to each person before I start handing out tiles.
I am aware that moderators are not perfect and I myself do not have the time to moderate everything in the way I would like, but I try to do well with the time I am given.
People forget that this site is not funded by anyone else and neither have I ever asked anyone for a donation. The time that I and Mike put in is for free.
Regardless, you will always have complainers and ungrateful people, and I accept that is the case. So I am not complaining about it. Just highlighting it in the current discussion.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 11 2011,05:04) People forget that this site is not funded by anyone else and neither have I ever asked anyone for a donation. The time that I and Mike put in is for free.
WHAT?!? When I didn't get a check after the first week, I assumed I would get paid monthly. When the first month had come and gone, I just naturally assumed my pay would be annually. Come on t8! I have been counting on that money for the brain transplant I desparately need!
Paul, remember that you don't see the warnings and ensuing backlashes that happen in private. Just so you know, it is ALWAYS me and the “other person” who is at fault each time I do give a warning. No one ever says, “Okay, my bad. I'll chill out.” As it turns out, there really ARE two sides to every story. Who'd have thought that was a real thing?
I do find it interesting that you would bring up the anger and bitterness of the first two pages long after those feelings have subsided and we've all moved on.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2011,03:06) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 11 2011,05:04) People forget that this site is not funded by anyone else and neither have I ever asked anyone for a donation. The time that I and Mike put in is for free.
WHAT?!? When I didn't get a check after the first week, I assumed I would get paid monthly. When the first month had come and gone, I just naturally assumed my pay would be annually. Come on t8! I have been counting on that money for the brain transplant I desparately need!Paul, remember that you don't see the warnings and ensuing backlashes that happen in private. Just so you know, it is ALWAYS me and the “other person” who is at fault each time I do give a warning. No one ever says, “Okay, my bad. I'll chill out.” As it turns out, there really ARE two sides to every story. Who'd have thought that was a real thing?
I do find it interesting that you would bring up the anger and bitterness of the first two pages long after those feelings have subsided and we've all moved on.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2011,03:06) WHAT?!? When I didn't get a check after the first week, I assumed I would get paid monthly. When the first month had come and gone, I just naturally assumed my pay would be annually. Come on t8! I have been counting on that money for the brain transplant I desparately need!
I already gave you the money for the brain transplant. It's just that the new brain didn't come with the memory of this happening.In fact I over paid you. You owe me $1000.
Quote I already gave you the money for the brain transplant.
I know this is now off topic, but:Could there ever be such a thing as a brain transplant?
Or would that be a body transplant?Something to think about.
Quote (david @ Sep. 12 2011,18:13) Quote I already gave you the money for the brain transplant.
I know this is now off topic, but:Could there ever be such a thing as a brain transplant?
Or would that be a body transplant?Something to think about.
davidit would depend on witch one is the most damaged is it not ?
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 12 2011,10:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2011,03:06) WHAT?!? When I didn't get a check after the first week, I assumed I would get paid monthly. When the first month had come and gone, I just naturally assumed my pay would be annually. Come on t8! I have been counting on that money for the brain transplant I desparately need!
I already gave you the money for the brain transplant. It's just that the new brain didn't come with the memory of this happening.In fact I over paid you. You owe me $1000.
You guys are to funny Quote (david @ Sep. 12 2011,11:13) Quote I already gave you the money for the brain transplant.
I know this is now off topic, but:Could there ever be such a thing as a brain transplant?
Or would that be a body transplant?Something to think about.
IF I was going to take a punt, I would say the soul is inside the control panel of the brain somewhere. So it would be a body transplant.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 13 2011,15:02) Quote (david @ Sep. 12 2011,11:13) Quote I already gave you the money for the brain transplant.
I know this is now off topic, but:Could there ever be such a thing as a brain transplant?
Or would that be a body transplant?Something to think about.
IF I was going to take a punt, I would say the soul is inside the control panel of the brain somewhere. So it would be a body transplant.
T8Yes i like it
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2011,13:43) Hi Princess, Nice avatar.
Do you have any idea why the ancients settled on THREE in their Godheads?
Hey Mike,Yes, I like the avatar also. Thank you.
Truly, the answer to what you asked I do not fully understand at this moment, I do know that the elements of the world were first. Water, Air, Earth, Fire. Later void/space was added. Gods were created or named to represent each element. As humanity 'conquered' (for the use of a better term) these elements, the god element was considered to be a lesser god.
Once the idea caught on everything was attached to a god of some sort. Emotions, materials, weather, animals you name it a god was attached to it. Egypt has over two thousand gods.
My take on why three, the common thread throughout religions is this
*A creator
*A host that is chosen/used to create.
*The creation of the creator and host.Each story of creation uses this method, either if it is Gods/Goddess, Earth Elements, God/Humans. Religions then attach titles to each, placement of each so forth and so on.
It is quite amazing how all religions have many commons, but are so far apart. For instance, most religions adhere to not marring outside ones of faith, when this occurs each religion has their own way of handling it, some receive death, others banishment from their own, others are look down upon. This subject however can be taken in many directions.
Hope all is well Mike, take care.
Thanks for the info, Princess.
With the passage of time, the gods of the first Babylonian Empire began to multiply. The pantheon came to have a number of triads of gods, or deities. One such triad was composed of Anu (the god of the sky), Enlil (the god of the earth, air, and storm), and Ea (the god presiding over the waters).
There are the elements you mentioned.
Another triad was that of the moon-god Sin, the sun-god Shamash, and the fertility goddess Ishtar, the lover or consort of Tammuz. The Babylonians even had triads of devils, such as the triad of Labartu, Labasu, and Akhkhazu. The worship of heavenly bodies became prominent (Isa 47:13), and various planets came to be associated with certain deities. The planet Jupiter was identified with the chief god of Babylon, Marduk; Venus with Ishtar, a goddess of love and fertility; Saturn with Ninurta, a god of war and hunting and patron of agriculture; Mercury with Nebo, a god of wisdom and agriculture; Mars with Nergal, a god of war and pestilence and lord of the underworld.
And that supports your claim that seemingly everything had to have a god attached to it.
The cities of ancient Babylonia came to have their own special guardian deities, somewhat like “patron saints.” In Ur it was Sin; in Eridu, Ea; in Nippur, Enlil; in Cuthah, Nergal; in Borsippa, Nebo, and in the city of Babylon, Marduk (Merodach). At the time that Hammurabi made Babylon the capital of Babylonia, the importance of the city’s favorite god Marduk was, of course, enhanced. Finally Marduk was given the attribute of earlier gods and displaced them in the Babylonian myths. In later periods his proper name “Marduk” was supplanted by the title “Belu” (“Owner”), so that finally he was commonly spoken of as Bel. His wife was called Belit (“Mistress,” par excellence).—
Every city had to have a god, it seems. I find it interesting that Marduk slowly “absorbed” many of the other gods' attributes. It's like the others just fell out of fashion. Or perhaps they were slowly building themselves a mega-god.
The picture portrayed of the gods and goddesses in ancient Babylonian texts is but a reflection of sinful mortal man. These accounts say that the deities were born, loved, had families, fought, and even died, as did Tammuz. Terrified by the Deluge, they are said to have ‘crouched like dogs.’ The deities were also portrayed as being greedy, frequently eating to the point of gluttony, and drinking to the point of intoxication. They had furious tempers and were vindictive and suspicious of one another. Bitter hatreds existed among them. To illustrate: Tiamat, bent on destroying the other gods, was overcome by Marduk, who split her into two halves, forming the sky with one half and using the other half in connection with the establishment of the earth. Eresh-Kigal, the goddess of the underworld, instructed Namtaru, the god of pestilence, to imprison her sister Ishtar and afflict her with 60 miseries.—See NERGAL.
The above gives some indication of the environment that faithful Abraham left behind when he went out from the Chaldean city of Ur, which was then steeped in Babylonian idolatry.
It's interesting to me that the gods of Babylon “crouched like dogs” in their fear of the deluge. And that some of them could be punished or killed. Why would a human worship a god who was able to be punished or killed? Or one who was afraid of the earth flooding? Weird that they would set on high and ask for help from these gods who could be made AFRAID.
mike
Hey Mike,
Interesting facts. Thank you.
So to reflect on ancient worship of multiple gods, modern view can be taken from the catholic church.
How does the triads or compound unity ones genderize the holy spirit as female or male?
Quote (princess @ Sep. 15 2011,06:29) How does the triads or compound unity ones genderize the holy spirit as female or male?
Hi Princess,We did have a poster named David who called himself “The Professor” a while back who insisted the Holy Spirit was a female.
But I believe Trinitarians consider all three of their Gods to be male. They often point out scriptures where the Holy Spirit is called “he” or “him”.
I still want to do more research to find out how everyone seemed to come up with THREE gods in their godheads. I heard that Constantine and friends were trying to appease current triad worshippers when they decided to make Jehovah a triad. But I'll have to look into it more when I get some time here and there.
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