Colter takes the seat

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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,08:02)

Satan is the god of this age and the Father of Lies. However, a Satanic religion would paint him as different, because Satan or demons would be the author. 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

It's simply amazing that people who do not believe in the pre existence of our creator Son Jesus on the grounds of monotheism yet they believe in two Gods of this world, one good, one evil.

Colter

[abe]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 17 2013,16:05)

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,08:02) Satan is the god of this age and the Father of Lies. However, a Satanic religion would paint him as different, because Satan or demons would be the author. 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. It's simply amazing that people who do not believe in the pre existence of our creator Son Jesus on the grounds of monotheism yet they believe in two Gods of this world, one good, one evil. Colter

Hi Colter,

Where in the Bible does it say Jesus created anything?

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Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,14:05)

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,08:02) Satan is the god of this age and the Father of Lies. However, a Satanic religion would paint him as different, because Satan or demons would be the author. 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. It's simply amazing that people who do not believe in the pre existence of our creator Son Jesus on the grounds of monotheism yet they believe in two Gods of this world, one good, one evil. Colter

Not amazing. Pretty logical and easy to follow what it says in scripture. There is one Father of lights and there is one Father of lies.

It is better to be the son of God than the god of this age. For the prince of this world has already been judged and he knows that his time is short.

Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him and in return Satan would offer him all the kingdoms of this world. Jesus rebuked the god of this age and said that thou shall worship the Lord thy God only. (Something like that.)

[kerwin]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,00:01)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,04:06) Colter, Quote Micah saw it, for he was progressive and Liberal like Jesus. You can't get more conservative than God who has been around since before time began.   Satan is the progressive one.  The religious authorities were making changes and Jesus rebukes them for doing so. He does not support anarchy but rather calls all to unite in doing what is loving; the way God is always commanding us from the beginning. So you would have rejected Jesus on the same grounds had you been a devout Jew using the scripture? If not why? Jesus was very liberal, he was no reformer of Judaism nor a protector of the status quote. And their is only one God!, Satan was never a God, Colter

Colter,

Jesus promises a righteousness and holiness that is like God's to those who believe.

Those that reject it do so because they love darkness and not because they are part of an organized religion. Those that accept Jesus do so because they long to be righteous as God is righteous.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,00:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,20:29) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 17 2013,01:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 16 2013,09:57) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 16 2013,08:26) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 16 2013,06:38) colter Quote The concept of “original sin” comes from the fact that Adam and Eve lost their own immortality because of their own person rejection of the plan of redemption for our previously fallen world. why would a perfect couple looking for REDEMPTION Terrarcca, * The earth is old, the world had already been betrayed, fallen into darkness because the “crafty beast” joined the rebellion against God, against the Son…….by the time Adam & Eve came on their incarnate mission of redemption. Earth 4.8 billion The life carriers initiated life (started evolution) 550,000,000 BC man became “will concious” 1,000,000 BC The “brilliant angel of light” arrived roughly 500,000 BC to lead the world. The “brilliant angel of light”  rebelled, was lead into sin by Satan, Lucifer about 200,000 BC. He became “the crafty beast” Adam and Eve incarnate 39,000 years ago NOTE: the “crafty beast” has already embraced Sin, has already fallen, is trying to trip up Adam & Eve: Gen. 3  “3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” You see? The beast is ALREADY evil, already on the earth and attempting to mess up the redemption mission. Eve sins, mates with another, Cain is the bastard child of that Sin. Taunted by his half brother Able he would eventually kill Able and decide to leave the garden for the land of his fathers people, Nod. So death came to Adam and Eve, death is normal for mortal man, death was already on the earth. The Son of God decided that earth will be the world of his incarnation on behalf of 10,000,00 inhabited worlds “I have sheep not of this fold, I must bring them also” 1973 BC Melchizedek incarnate, makes covenant with Abram to prepare for arrival of Jesus. After 90 years Melchizedek leaves but continues to work through the prophets. 7 BC Jesus comes, reveals the Father, makes the way of salvation more clear. 1934 Urantia revelation is given. Colter Colter. We dont need words,we need evidence. Great story,but without a shred of evidence. You are speaking of life, millions of years on earth, but where is the evidence? Where are the cities,and the technology left behind? Mind you;we are talking about millions of years here, and they were still using arrowheads of stone? When was the wheel invented?  Two million years ago? Why was the camel not replaced by cars? Millions of years of population; the earth must have been over crowded. But not a shred of evidence. No old cities found in australia or anywhere. No old multistorey concrete buildings found in arabia,nothing but camels. No highways or concrete bridges, no concrete airports. No tombs,No steel warships,no nothing. All we have is a story,this is not history. wakeup. Backward, primitive man hadn't really progressed that far up until the times of Adam, then after the “fall” all their work was for not and man toiled on for thousands of years more. Colter Colter. Be practical: Australia is only about 200yrs old,and look at the cities we have build. Should nations of a million yrs old not have cities build for the population? And sanitation? Have they been living in tents for a million yrs? wakeup. There have been many civilizations that were once great, built great cities, had advanced culture but were overrun by inferior savages and declined for ages afterward. See the Inca's, they once had great thriving cities in South America, they all but disappeared and the jungle grew over the cities. The Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, all these cultures ebbed and flowed. BTW, the UB teaches that Adam and Eve introduced superior genes into the human race, these were the Andites. These people spread out all across the globe and influenced the rise of great cultures. Colter

Colter.

Were Adam and Eve scientist back then? able to introduce new species? Were they that educated?
If they were really that smart;why have they not the technology to build multi storey buildings,and iron horses.

The Inca's were only 1200yrs old.

wakeup.

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Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2013,11:08)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 17 2013,16:05) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,08:02) Satan is the god of this age and the Father of Lies. However, a Satanic religion would paint him as different, because Satan or demons would be the author. 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. It's simply amazing that people who do not believe in the pre existence of our creator Son Jesus on the grounds of monotheism yet they believe in two Gods of this world, one good, one evil. Colter Hi Colter, Where in the  Bible  does it say Jesus created anything?

The creator Sons are the Fathers of their creations:

John 1
King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 14-8

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Colter

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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,18:27)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,04:06) Colter, Quote Micah saw it, for he was progressive and Liberal like Jesus. You can't get more conservative than God who has been around since before time began.   Satan is the progressive one.  The religious authorities were making changes and Jesus rebukes them for doing so. He does not support anarchy but rather calls all to unite in doing what is loving; the way God is always commanding us from the beginning. So you would have rejected Jesus on the same grounds had you been a devout Jew using the scripture? If not why? Jesus was very liberal, he was no reformer of Judaism nor a protector of the status quote. And their is only one God!, Satan was never a God, Colter Colter, Jesus promises a righteousness and holiness that is like God's to those who believe. Those that reject it do so because they love darkness and not because they are part of an organized religion.  Those that accept Jesus do so because they long to be righteous as God is righteous.

Kerwin,

You didn't really answer my question but my point was self evident so I will take the avoidance as an affirmative.

In the original gospel of the master, he taught that his salvation was real and available now to those who commit to the doing of the Fathers will in all aspects of our life NOW. In doing the will of the Father we become more like the Father NOW. But this righteousness is not a self conscious form, it is a self forgetful, service oriented form of genuine love for others.

God will never make you anything beyond your true will.

The living gospel of Jesus is not theoretical, a future hope rather it is a present tense reality.

Colter

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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,13:32)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,14:05) Quote (t8 @ Mar. 18 2013,08:02) Satan is the god of this age and the Father of Lies. However, a Satanic religion would paint him as different, because Satan or demons would be the author. 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. It's simply amazing that people who do not believe in the pre existence of our creator Son Jesus on the grounds of monotheism yet they believe in two Gods of this world, one good, one evil. Colter Not amazing. Pretty logical and easy to follow what it says in scripture. There is one Father of lights and there is one Father of lies. It is better to be the son of God than the god of this age. For the prince of this world has already been judged and he knows that his time is short. Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him and in return Satan would offer him all the kingdoms of this world. Jesus rebuked the god of this age and said that thou shall worship the Lord thy God only. (Something like that.)

…..so two Fathers and now a Son who has been given all power and authority in heaven and on earth.

The quintessential, contemporary American family.

There is only one God and his Sons. His Sons that are mortal have a tendency to blame their own sins, their own weakness on the erring Satan Son, who has been defeated and is gone.

Colter

[kerwin]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,17:34)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,18:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,04:06) Colter, Quote Micah saw it, for he was progressive and Liberal like Jesus. You can't get more conservative than God who has been around since before time began.   Satan is the progressive one.  The religious authorities were making changes and Jesus rebukes them for doing so. He does not support anarchy but rather calls all to unite in doing what is loving; the way God is always commanding us from the beginning. So you would have rejected Jesus on the same grounds had you been a devout Jew using the scripture? If not why? Jesus was very liberal, he was no reformer of Judaism nor a protector of the status quote. And their is only one God!, Satan was never a God, Colter Colter, Jesus promises a righteousness and holiness that is like God's to those who believe. Those that reject it do so because they love darkness and not because they are part of an organized religion.  Those that accept Jesus do so because they long to be righteous as God is righteous. Kerwin, You didn't really answer my question but my point was self evident so I will take the avoidance as an affirmative. In the original gospel of the master, he taught that his salvation was real and available now to those who commit to the doing of the Fathers will in all aspects of our life NOW. In doing the will of the Father we become more like the Father NOW. But this righteousness is not a self conscious form, it is a self forgetful, service oriented form of genuine love for others. God will never make you anything beyond your true will. The living gospel of Jesus is not theoretical, a future hope rather it is a present tense reality. Colter

Colter,

I had already pointed out that God is not a progressive, as the command to love has been along since before Satan rebelled against it. Satan is the progressive one who seeks change from the command to love.

God is liberal in that he shows mercy to those that reveal they love him who is love but exacting justice from those that hate him.

In general, humans are born with a corrupt spirit, a spirit that chains them to sin. It is impossible for them to be good without God. Jesus sacrificed himself that humanity would have the opportunity to choose to obtain and live by the Spirit of he that is love, and so be freed from their chains to hate.

I have no clue what you mean by the buzzwords “self conscious”, “self forgetful, and “service oriented”. Please define them. Thank you.

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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,01:13)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,17:34) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,18:27) Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,00:01) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,04:06) Colter, Quote Micah saw it, for he was progressive and Liberal like Jesus. You can't get more conservative than God who has been around since before time began.   Satan is the progressive one.  The religious authorities were making changes and Jesus rebukes them for doing so. He does not support anarchy but rather calls all to unite in doing what is loving; the way God is always commanding us from the beginning. So you would have rejected Jesus on the same grounds had you been a devout Jew using the scripture? If not why? Jesus was very liberal, he was no reformer of Judaism nor a protector of the status quote. And their is only one God!, Satan was never a God, Colter Colter, Jesus promises a righteousness and holiness that is like God's to those who believe. Those that reject it do so because they love darkness and not because they are part of an organized religion.  Those that accept Jesus do so because they long to be righteous as God is righteous. Kerwin, You didn't really answer my question but my point was self evident so I will take the avoidance as an affirmative. In the original gospel of the master, he taught that his salvation was real and available now to those who commit to the doing of the Fathers will in all aspects of our life NOW. In doing the will of the Father we become more like the Father NOW. But this righteousness is not a self conscious form, it is a self forgetful, service oriented form of genuine love for others. God will never make you anything beyond your true will. The living gospel of Jesus is not theoretical, a future hope rather it is a present tense reality. Colter Colter, I had already pointed out that God is not a progressive, as the command to love has been along since before Satan rebelled against it.  Satan is the progressive one who seeks change from the command to love.   God is liberal in that he shows mercy to those that reveal they love him who is love but exacting justice from those that hate him. In general, humans are born with a corrupt spirit, a spirit that chains them to sin.  It is impossible for them to be good without God. Jesus sacrificed himself that humanity would have the opportunity to choose to obtain and live by the Spirit of he that is love, and so be freed from their chains to hate. I have no clue what you mean by the buzzwords “self conscious”, “self forgetful, and “service oriented”.  Please define them.  Thank you.

Kerwin,

I sence that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical useage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you”

The term “buzz word” itself has an elliment of anti-something to it.

My more contemporary terms should be easily translated by a disciple of Jesus without the legalistic quibbling.

“self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.”

“service oriented” please see the sermon on the mount and then the rest of Jesus life of service to ones fellows.

Jesus disproved the erroneous doctrine of original sin or “chained to sin” as well as the Pagan doctrines of divine sacrifice.

Colter

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Quote (Colter @ Mar. 19 2013,01:40)

…..so two Fathers and now a Son who has been given all power and authority in heaven and on earth. The quintessential, contemporary American family.

Only one thing needs to be said, “You reject scripture” and have followed after a doctrine of demons.

You have fulfilled prophecy, which is in scripture. You prove it correct in that respect.

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Moved to Skeptics Place.

[terraricca]

I am sure Colter will find himself within his own people ,going with the wind ,

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2013,10:08)

Seems no different to all other cults to me. They seem to have their own book in common to take you away from scripture and toward their invented view. e.g., … Atheists -> The Origin Of The Species … They are all cults built around persons who are not Christ.

Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously any more, t8?

Stuart

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Quote (t8 @ Nov. 24 2012,20:27)

Oh Ed J, you have really done it now. How can anyone ever take you serious again.

“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
 and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” (Matt 7:2)

Quote (Stu @ Mar. 19 2013,18:23)

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2013,10:08) Seems no different to all other cults to me. They seem to have their own book in common to take you away from scripture and toward their invented view. e.g., … Atheists -> The Origin Of The Species … They are all cults built around persons who are not Christ. Is it any wonder no one takes you seriously any more, t8? Stuart

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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,07:45)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 19 2013,01:40) …..so two Fathers and now a Son who has been given all power and authority in heaven and on earth. The quintessential, contemporary American family. Only one thing needs to be said, “You reject scripture” and have followed after a doctrine of demons. You have fulfilled prophecy, which is in scripture. You prove it correct in that respect.

t8,

LOL! The first lie of the “Father of lies” is that he was a father at all, and you believe it.

I was thinking “the hot seat” would be more challenging but instead you give us a gay trinity.

Colter

[kerwin]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,23:17)

Kerwin, I sense that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical usage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you” The term “buzz word” itself has an element of anti-something to it. My more contemporary terms should be easily translated by a disciple of Jesus without the legalistic quibbling. “self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.” “service oriented” please see the sermon on the mount and then the rest of Jesus life of service to ones fellows. Jesus disproved the erroneous doctrine of original sin or “chained to sin” as well as the Pagan doctrines of divine sacrifice. Colter

Colter,

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“self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.”

Jesus words about avoiding temptation.

Self awareness = being aware of temptations
Self forgetfulness = ignoring temptation.

The rest of what you wrote vague, irrelevant, point of view, or nonsense.

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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,00:07)

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,23:17) Kerwin, I sense that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical usage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you” The term “buzz word” itself has an element of anti-something to it. My more contemporary terms should be easily translated by a disciple of Jesus without the legalistic quibbling. “self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.” “service oriented” please see the sermon on the mount and then the rest of Jesus life of service to ones fellows. Jesus disproved the erroneous doctrine of original sin or “chained to sin” as well as the Pagan doctrines of divine sacrifice. Colter Colter, Quote “self conscious” would be the antithesis of Jesus' saying “let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing”…….which should flow right into “self forgetfulness.” Jesus words about avoiding temptation. Self awareness = being aware of temptations Self forgetfulness = ignoring temptation. The rest of what you wrote vague, irrelevant, point of view, or nonsense.

Matthew 6
New International Version (NIV)

Giving to the Needy
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.(A) If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Colter

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Some coward has blocked me from replying in the other areas of this forum with no explanation nor notice. I can only assume that the truth is unsettleing to closed minded Bible worshipers.

I will be leaving the forum.

The Talk with Nathaniel

(1767.3) 159:4.1 And then went Jesus over to Abila, where Nathaniel and his associates labored. Nathaniel was much bothered by some of Jesus’ pronouncements which seemed to detract from the authority of the recognized Hebrew scriptures. Accordingly, on this night, after the usual period of questions and answers, Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: “Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings — the best as I view it — and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?” When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:

(1767.4) 159:4.2 “Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.

(1767.5) 159:4.3 “These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.

(1767.6) 159:4.4 “Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

(1768.1) 159:4.5 “Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies — men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

(1768.2) 159:4.6 “The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem. And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom. Nathaniel, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people. Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures.

(1768.3) 159:4.7 “The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation. And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired. Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings. For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records.

(1768.4) 159:4.8 “Mark you well my words, Nathaniel, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.

(1768.5) 159:4.9 “But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.

(1769.1) 159:4.10 “But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations.”

(1769.2) 159:4.11 Nathaniel was enlightened, and shocked, by the Master’s pronouncement. He long pondered this talk in the depths of his soul, but he told no man concerning this conference until after Jesus’ ascension; and even then he feared to impart the full story of the Master’s instruction.” UB

Colter

[Stu]

Bye then Colter.

Another tiny schism develops in the great cracked chamberpot of religious crackpottery.

Stuart

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