Christianity is Hopelessly Confused

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  • #795600
    Proclaimer
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    You guys simply will not learn no matter what you keep saying if I don’t refer to Jesus as “son of God” that somehow makes me not believe in him and yet there is no mention of Jesus being called son of God in the book of James in-fact he leaves out the terms Father and Son so is James wrong too? These were all individual books once so James wrote and entire book without calling Jesus “the son of God” you just don’t get it do you who would leave that out if that was the MOST IMPORTANT aspect?

    Have I said you are wrong?

    What I have said is the Quran says that God has no son, and the Bible says that the antichrist spirit denied the Father and the son.

    I have also said that I do not trust a religion, a book, or a prophet who teaches that God has no son, thus denying the Father.

    No matter what you say or how you try to wiggle out of this, what I am saying is really that simple and clear. No hidden tricks or bias.

    I just do not trust anyone or anything that says “God has no son”. Simple.

    #795604
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Just because the writer of the book of Hebrews didn’t know
    who Melchizedek was
    , does not mean that God didn’t know.
    Melchizedek is declared to be Shem in “the book of Jasher”.
    (See biblical References: Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18)

    So you are saying that the Hebrews writer was incorrect in saying Melchezidek had no father, right?

    #795605
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI EDJ

    Hi BD,

    islam has so warped your mind so that you believe we are saying he had no human father …therefore…
    <–| BUT that’s not it at all, what we are instead saying is this…

    Born of the spirit makes one a “Son of God”, not being born of the flesh. You confuse the two.
    Jesus is the “Son of God” because he was born of the spirit of God, not because he had no father.

    So why is Adam called son of God, is it for the same reason?

    #795606
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi t8

    Have I said you are wrong?

    What I have said is the Quran says that God has no son, and the Bible says that the antichrist spirit denied the Father and the son.

    I have also said that I do not trust a religion, a book, or a prophet who teaches that God has no son, thus denying the Father.

    No matter what you say or how you try to wiggle out of this, what I am saying is really that simple and clear. No hidden tricks or bias.

    I just do not trust anyone or anything that says “God has no son”. Simple.

    God has no son and even Jesus understands term not to be actual because when someone is your father that fact can never be taken away or altered, whether your Father likes you or not you would still be their child but Jesus proves my point:

    John 8:40 41“You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.

    This shows clearly that God has no Son because being an actual son is not contingent on behaviour….Jesus didn’t say well you are disobedient to your Father he changed the designation of who their father was and in return they later call him a demon and as I said this just shows terms being thrown around to express being pious or impious.

    #795610
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    No.

    Behaviour is an outward sign of your inward master’s guidance.

    The SONS OF GOD are led by the Spirit of God.

    The world is under the evil one.

     

     

    #795619
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    No.

    Behaviour is an outward sign of your inward master’s guidance.

    The SONS OF GOD are led by the Spirit of God.

    The world is under the evil one.

    In otherwords, those that are not led by the spirit are not Sons of God….so Adam must have been led by the Spirit and the Angels that came in the daughters of men, were they led by the Spirit although they were called sons of God, Solomon committed adultery he was called the Son of God so basically you are saying what? The Jews told Jesus God was their Father Jesus said the devil was their father, who was right? How can there be a question either you have a Father or not and Jesus knew these jews had the right to say what they said because he said the Jews know what they worship and he included himself with them, so their Father can’t be the devil, can it?

    #795622
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Perhaps”the Jews” really knew they worshiped the devil,but the Samaritans were just too ignorant to realize they did too. 🙂 Father forgive us we know not what we do!

    #795671
    Ed J
    Participant

    islam is Hopelessly Confused

    HI EDJ

    Hi BD,

    islam has so warped your mind so that you believe we are saying he had no human father …therefore…
    <–| BUT that’s not it at all, what we are instead saying is this…

    Born of the spirit makes one a “Son of God”, not being born of the flesh. You confuse the two.
    Jesus is the “Son of God” because he was born of the spirit of God, not because he had no father.

    So why is Adam called son of God, is it for the same reason?

    Hi BD,

    Ever learning but never able to come to the truth.
    When God breathed into Adam his spirit Adam became a son of God.
    When Jesus re-breathes into us God’s HolySpirit we too become a son of God.
    Jesus was the only-begotten “Son of God” because he was spirit-breathed from conception.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #795672
    Ed J
    Participant

    “I(John) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
    whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the HolySpirit, and with fire:

    Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner;
    but he will burn up the chaff (and all squag) with unquenchable fire.” (Matt 3:11-12)

    #795690
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    Hi BD,

    Ever learning but never able to come to the truth.
    When God breathed into Adam his spirit Adam became a son of God.
    When Jesus re-breathes into us God’s HolySpirit we too become a son of God.
    Jesus was the only-begotten “Son of God” because he was spirit-breathed from conception.

    Since Adam not good enough for you what about the actual Angels that are called sons of God weren’t they sons of God before Jesus was spirit-breathed at conception?

    #795694
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #172)

    Even if We did send unto them angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is in Allah’s plan. But most of them ignore (the truth).

    ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #111)

    #795727
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    More human musings?

    #795732
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    I am glad you are amused but paying attention is even more valuable

    #795736
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    No the thoughts of men are mere rubbish compared with the Words of life.

     

    Who is the WE in your contribution?

    #795860
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    Hi BD,

    Ever learning but never able to come to the truth.
    When God breathed into Adam his spirit Adam became a son of God.
    When Jesus re-breathes into us God’s HolySpirit we too become a son of God.
    Jesus was the only-begotten “Son of God” because he was spirit-breathed from conception.

    Since Adam not good enough for you what about the actual Angels that are called sons of God weren’t they sons of God before Jesus was spirit-breathed at conception?

    Hi BD,

    Unless you are born of water and of the Spirit you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (ref.John 3:5-6)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #795886
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @EDJ

    Have you been born of spirit? Is the Holy Spirit Guiding you?

    Did the HOLY SPIRIT tell you that Islam was a fraud EDJ?

    #795888
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You say your teachings are direct from God.

    Yet they often start with WE

    why is this?

    #795952
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    You tell us these writings are directly from your god so is your god multi?

    You are too funny…..I told you read your Bible….”Let us make man in Our image”

    Let us make man in our image. (Gen 1:26)
    Behold, the man has become like one of us. (Gen 3:22)
    Come, let us go down and there confuse their language. (Gen 11:7)

    “Bring forward your strong arguments,” says the King of Jacob.
    “Let them bring forth and declare to us what is going to take place…
    That we may consider them…
    That we may know that you are gods…
    That we may anxiously look about us and fear.”
    (Isaiah 41:21-23)

    the common myths held by Israel’s neighbors was belief in a pantheon of multiple deities. (For example, the chief God of the Canaanites was El, his wife was Asherah, Astarte or Ashtoret, their boy children were Baal, Yam, Mot, and their daughter was Anat.)

    In Genesis there is one Elohim or Supreme God. But he does not have a wife or children. He does not create by having relations with a female deity, as did El with Asherah. The true God creates by speaking words: “Let there be . . . and there was.”

    in regards to whom God would be speaking to or about the scripture says:

    Psalm 103:20-21Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    20
    Bless the Lord, ye his angels,
    that excel in strength, that do his commandments,
    hearkening unto the voice of his word.
    21
    Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts;
    ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

    The heavens will praise Your wonders, O LORD;
    Your faithfuless also in the assembly of the holy ones.
    For who in the skies is comparable to the LORD?
    Who among the sons of God is like the LORD,
    A God greatly feared in the council of the holy ones,
    And awesome above all those who are around Him? (Psalm 89:5-7)

    Nick I wanted to teach you from your own trusted source but you can have a more intimate knowledge by reading the Glorious Quran

    Those to whom we have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own.

    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #121)

    #795954
    Ed J
    Participant


    @EDJ

    (1)Have you been born of spirit? (2)Is the Holy Spirit Guiding you?

    (3)Did the HOLY SPIRIT tell you that Islam was a fraud EDJ?

    Hi BD,

    1) I became a Christian at age 12 and was
    baptized with God’s HolySpirit at 15.

    2) Yes for a long time now.

    3) Since I have the gift of discerning of spirits it was obvious.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #795960
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You quote the words of God to somehow try to justify your god and his team’s writings?

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