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Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,19:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,15:56) Ed Quote Table salt is a very good example of order, because man has manipulated it's structure,
natural salts do not contained in the higher doses of iodine as found in table salt!
OK, pretend you have ground rocksalt in your salt shaker then.Quote Why do you falsely call me “Agnostic”, do you believe that nobody can have more understanding than you?
No, but I don’t think what you claim to be knowledge of supernatural beings and events is knowledge of anything real.See how we are already having a much more interesting conversation now I am ignoring your other numerological nonsense?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You 'choose' to ignore my “Data”, because my DATA Proves “GOD is Real”; a reality you don't want! (Color adds to the clarity)
People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151 to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.
6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.YHVH is ONE GOD=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)
1) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4) (Old “Testament”=117)
2) LORD of Hosts=151…(AKJV Bible)…His Hosts=117: Jesus and ALL of His brethren! (Rev.11:15)
3) Holy Spirit=151 (“The word“ Structure of “GOD”: Old and New “Testament”=117)
4) Jesus Christ=151 (“Testator“=151) (Hebrews 9:16-17) (New “Testament”=117)Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. You use satan's 'title' as you shut your eyes to “Bible Truth”!
How is it you use the word “The” only when it works out numerically? This disproves your whole “book of fraud” and for search engines “Holy city bible code is book of fraud
Hi BD,There's the PROOF right there; BD look! Stuart is using satan's 'title'!
Look carefully at what he is saying in the sentence;
he's declaring he's closing his eyes to “Truth”!Isa:44:26: That (YHVH) confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J), and performeth the counsel of his messengers
(showing you the very proof of satan's 'title' my brother); that saith to Jerusalem (all those willing),
Thou shalt be inhabited (that includes you my brother); and to the cities of Judah (all true believers),
Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof (restore restore is the cry):Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:
thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shall
be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[היוללה]: HALLELUJAH …[ללה hâläl] Praise [ו ü] ye [הי YÄ] the LORD.Psalm 117:1-2 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him,
all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us:
and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,11:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,19:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,15:56) Ed Quote Table salt is a very good example of order, because man has manipulated it's structure,
natural salts do not contained in the higher doses of iodine as found in table salt!
OK, pretend you have ground rocksalt in your salt shaker then.Quote Why do you falsely call me “Agnostic”, do you believe that nobody can have more understanding than you?
No, but I don’t think what you claim to be knowledge of supernatural beings and events is knowledge of anything real.See how we are already having a much more interesting conversation now I am ignoring your other numerological nonsense?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You 'choose' to ignore my “Data”, because my DATA Proves “GOD is Real”; a reality you don't want! (Color adds to the clarity)
People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151 to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.
6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.YHVH is ONE GOD=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)
1) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4) (Old “Testament”=117)
2) LORD of Hosts=151…(AKJV Bible)…His Hosts=117: Jesus and ALL of His brethren! (Rev.11:15)
3) Holy Spirit=151 (“The word“ Structure of “GOD”: Old and New “Testament”=117)
4) Jesus Christ=151 (“Testator“=151) (Hebrews 9:16-17) (New “Testament”=117)Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. You use satan's 'title' as you shut your eyes to “Bible Truth”!
How is it you use the word “The” only when it works out numerically? This disproves your whole “book of fraud” and for search engines “Holy city bible code is book of fraud
Hi BD,There's the PROOF right there; BD look! Stuart is using satan's 'title'!
Look carefully at what he is saying in the sentence;
he's declaring he's closing his eyes to “Truth”!Isa:44:26: That (YHVH) confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J), and performeth the counsel of his messengers
(showing you the very proof of satan's 'title' my brother); that saith to Jerusalem (all those willing),
Thou shalt be inhabited (that includes you my brother); and to the cities of Judah (all true believers),
Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof (restore restore is the cry):Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:
thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shall
be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[היוללה]: HALLELUJAH …[ללה hâläl] Praise [ו ü] ye [הי YÄ] the LORD.Psalm 117:1-2 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him,
all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us:
and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry to let you know ED but everyone who uses english properly will at some point say “I am” Jesus even said itHe saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Matthew 16:14-16But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Mark 10:37-39But after that I am risen, I will go before you into Galilee.
Mark 14:27-29Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
Luke 22:69-71I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:23-25No
w I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
John 13:18-20Also Paul says it many times as well:
Acts 20:26 (King James Version)
26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
But it is simply a common thing to say unrelated to “Satan” unless Satan is the one speaking. Give up “your book of fraud”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,11:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,19:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,15:56) Ed Quote Table salt is a very good example of order, because man has manipulated it's structure,
natural salts do not contained in the higher doses of iodine as found in table salt!
OK, pretend you have ground rocksalt in your salt shaker then.Quote Why do you falsely call me “Agnostic”, do you believe that nobody can have more understanding than you?
No, but I don’t think what you claim to be knowledge of supernatural beings and events is knowledge of anything real.See how we are already having a much more interesting conversation now I am ignoring your other numerological nonsense?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You 'choose' to ignore my “Data”, because my DATA Proves “GOD is Real”; a reality you don't want! (Color adds to the clarity)
People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151 to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.
6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.YHVH is ONE GOD=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)
1) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4) (Old “Testament”=117)
2) LORD of Hosts=151…(AKJV Bible)…His Hosts=117: Jesus and ALL of His brethren! (Rev.11:15)
3) Holy Spirit=151 (“The word“ Structure of “GOD”: Old and New “Testament”=117)
4) Jesus Christ=151 (“Testator“=151) (Hebrews 9:16-17) (New “Testament”=117)Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. You use satan's 'title' as you shut your eyes to “Bible Truth”!
How is it you use the word “The” only when it works out numerically? This disproves your whole “book of fraud” and for search engines “Holy city bible code is book of fraud
Hi BD,There's the PROOF right there; BD look! Stuart is using satan's 'title'!
Look carefully at what he is saying in the sentence;
he's declaring he's closing his eyes to “Truth”!Isa:44:26: That (YHVH) confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J), and performeth the counsel of his messengers
(showing you the very proof of satan's 'title' my brother); that saith to Jerusalem (all those willing),
Thou shalt be inhabited (that includes you my brother); and to the cities of Judah (all true believers),
Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof (restore restore is the cry):Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:
thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shall
be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[היוללה]: HALLELUJAH …[ללה hâläl] Praise [ו ü] ye [הי YÄ] the LORD.Psalm 117:1-2 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him,
all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us:
and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHe saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Matthew 16:14-16
Hi BD,I explained it for you here –> Click Here <– Last Post on the Page.
God bless
Ed JQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,14:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,11:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,09:31) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2010,19:28) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,15:56) Ed Quote Table salt is a very good example of order, because man has manipulated it's structure,
natural salts do not contained in the higher doses of iodine as found in table salt!
OK, pretend you have ground rocksalt in your salt shaker then.Quote Why do you falsely call me “Agnostic”, do you believe that nobody can have more understanding than you?
No, but I don’t think what you claim to be knowledge of supernatural beings and events is knowledge of anything real.See how we are already having a much more interesting conversation now I am ignoring your other numerological nonsense?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You 'choose' to ignore my “Data”, because my DATA Proves “GOD is Real”; a reality you don't want! (Color adds to the clarity)
People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151 to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.The “THREE” main “FEASTS OF GOD” are…
1) “The Passover”=148; made possible by
“JESUS MESSIAH”=1482) “Pentecost”=117 started the “Former Rain”=117 of
“GOD THE FATHER”=117; “Spirit [of] God”=117(Holy Spirit)3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “The Latter Rain”=151 of the
“HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father); “Feast [of] Tabernacles”=151.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!God’s Name (יהוה) is written exactly 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.
6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.YHVH is ONE GOD=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)
1) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2 / Isaiah 26:4) (Old “Testament”=117)
2) LORD of Hosts=151…(AKJV Bible)…His Hosts=117: Jesus and ALL of His brethren! (Rev.11:15)
3) Holy Spirit=151 (“The word“ Structure of “GOD”: Old and New “Testament”=117)
4) Jesus Christ=151 (“Testator“=151) (Hebrews 9:16-17) (New “Testament”=117)Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. You use satan's 'title' as you shut your eyes to “Bible Truth”!
How is it you use the word “The” only when it works out numerically? This disproves your whole “book of fraud” and for search engines “Holy city bible code is book of fraud
Hi BD,There's the PROOF right there; BD look! Stuart is using satan's 'title'!
Look carefully at what he is saying in the sentence;
he's declaring he's closing his eyes to “Truth”!Isa:44:26: That (YHVH) confirmeth the word of his servant (Ed J), and performeth the counsel of his messengers
(showing you the very proof of satan's 'title' my brother); that saith to Jerusalem (all those willing),
Thou shalt be inhabited (that includes you my brother); and to the cities of Judah (all true believers),
Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof (restore restore is the cry):Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:
thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shall
be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[היוללה]: HALLELUJAH …[ללה hâläl] Praise [ו ü] ye [הי YÄ] the LORD.Psalm 117:1-2 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him,
all ye people. For his merciful kindness is great toward us:
and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHe saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Matthew 16:14-16
Hi BD,I explained it for you here –> Click Here <– Last Post on the Page.
God bless
Ed J
Are you saying that Jesus is Satan? You keep seeming to say they are the same at one point.You even said Lucifer=74 Jesus =74 are you calling Jesus “Satan”?
Are you saying that Jesus was Lucifer and came to earth to crucify his Satanic side?
I ask because you keeop saying Satan was part of the Godhead. Is that what you are telling everyone?
mikeboll64
Quote If ill on your current life is what it takes for you to receive everlasting life, it's a small price to pay. Sorry if that statement hurt you, though.
The last thing in the world I could possibly want is ‘everlasting life’. What a truly horrendous thing to wish for. Thank goodness it doesn’t really happen!Quote But what if we Christians are wrong, Stu? What's the harm? What if we die and end up fertilizing trees? We try our best to live our lives by the two greatest commandments.
Your first point is Pascal’s point, and if there was a deity that had respect for Pascal suggestion that you can just have a bob each way, then I can’t see why it would be worthy of worship. your second point about living your life by commandment I’m afraid does not reach high enough for the standards I set for living my life.Quote 1. Love God with all your heart-translation:don't be so egotistical to think one species on one planet of billions has all the answers and are the smartest things in the universe.
If I may say so that is slightly hypocritical: you are telling people not to be egotistical from the point of view of adherence to one of the most egotistical belief systems in all human history.Quote 2. Love your neighbor as you love yourself-translation:don't cheat, steal from or hurt anybody else.
And apple pie is great too. Are you seriously suggesting that, prior to the mythological event of Moses lumbering down Mount Horeb with stone tablets from your Imaginary Friend, the Children of Israel had absolutely no clue that stealing was bad? That hurting others is wrong? Did Judeo-christianity just codify existing morality, or did it steal the ethics that already existed and parade them as original? Is that honest?Quote So what if we're wrong and the world is a better place because we believe and try to live by those commandments? (And please don't go to the “most wars, etc. are caused by religion” place. We know that guns don't kill people-people kill people. Same applies. Religion doesn't start wars, people do.)
Christianity is based around living a better existence because of a human sacrifice. Christianity demands that you believe things despite there being no evidence for them. Christianity is used every day to oppress people. Sure there are other means by which people are oppressed too, but there is no good that cannot be done without religious belief. in the words of Steven Weinberg:With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Quote BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?
If I am wrong, and I am standing before your god at any stage, I will use whatever energy I can muster to demand that your god account for its singular and systematic brutality towards humanity, as admitted by it in the Jewish bible. I will do that on your behalf, as a fellow human being.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 19 2010,14:34)
You keep seeming to say they are the same at one point.I ask because you keeop saying Satan was part of the Godhead. Is that what you are telling everyone?
Hi BD,When you ask a question that I 'think' you already know the answer to, I will generally ignore those questions.
However, when you ask because you genuinely want to know the answer, I will gladly explain if I can.“The Passover”
The removal of Lucifer from the Godhead…YHVH is GOD. YHVH is a Spirit. All originated from YHVH(was Created).
Lucifer was suppose to represent YHVH to flesh creatures(Humans),
but he did NOT give YHVH the Glory YHVH He deserved as the Creator.
So a plan was devised to remove Lucifer from the Godhead.I will have to give some Physical representations to help you to understand Truth of “Spirit”…
You understand how water can strain through a strainer, to get water into a different container without contaminates.First let me say: we were all created in God's Image.
Jesus' Father was “HolySpirit”; meaning Jesus was born
1/2(50%) God and 1/2(50%) Human. The rest of us were
born 100% Human, so Jesus basically looks no different then any of us.Next, Jesus is Baptized at the river Jordan where he receives more of the
“HolySpirit”(God), The Bible says without measure. So I cannot give you a % at this point.Lucifer in spirit form contaminated God's linage through Adam. Mary had some contamination through
the linage of Adam. So now after Jesus' baptism, Jesus has the exact proportional ratios of Lucifer as God himself has.
The Bible reports this FACT: saying Jesus had all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. Which means Jesus
was now (in essence) an exact carbon copy of God. meaning Jesus reached equilibrium (equal to God) on a smaller scale.Now the plan of God was that the unGodly (un unbeknown to them) would
Crucify Jesus separating the God Spirit from the Lucifer spirit once and for all!
God would then raise Jesus back to life, free of ANY residual Lucifer ratio;
successfully extracted Lucifer from the Godhead!
Meaning after resurrection Jesus would return to God with a 0% Lucifer retention Ratios.
Next, when Jesus returns to God, Lucifer becomes inactivated From God's Presence.“Pentecost”: Explained starting from Heaven…
Lucifer now successfully removed from the Godhead!“Pentecost” begins by Jesus sending the “HolySpirit” back to Earth in behalf of GOD The Father…
and God the Father sending Jesus(Now in Spirit Form) back to earth with the “HolySpirit” to reside in all believers.
Now believers get the same ratio of Lucifer as God had to start with and the same ratio Jesus had after his baptism.
I don't know if you understood all that I said, but I believe that to be a complete (up till this point) explanation of “Bible Truth”!Explaining the “Pentecost” procedure once again using bible verses:
Starting in heaven after the Crucifixion and Ascension, but before Pentecost day…These three verses together should help to better understand what I have just explain to you.
A personal “Pentecost” promised is for all believers: “THE SECOND TIME” refers to Jesus returning at Pentecost.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
“WE“(Jesus' Father + Jesus)[Isaiah 64:4-5 + Heb.9:28=John 14:23]
will come unto him(the believer), and make OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
Jesus Return!
Heb.9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation(A personal Pentecost).
Jesus' Father(HolySpirit) entering into Man.
Isaiah 64:4-5 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard,
nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God(HolySpirit),
beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Thou(HolySpirit + Jesus: A Personal “Pentecost”) meetest him(the Believer)
that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways:
behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.Feel free to ask me questions if you still have trouble understanding what I just explained to you; OK?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. I explain this more thoroughly In “HolyCityBibleCode”.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,16:58) Quote
“The Passover”
The removal of Lucifer from the Godhead…YHVH is GOD. YHVH is a Spirit. All originated from YHVH(was Created).
Lucifer was suppose to represent YHVH to flesh creatures(Humans),
but he did NOT give YHVH the Glory YHVH He deserved as the Creator.
So a plan was devised to remove Lucifer from the Godhead.You have made a horrible statement as how is it you have placed others in Godhood with YHVH when it is clear when YHVH stated:
Ye [are] My witnesses, an affirmation of Jehovah, And My servant whom I have chosen, So that ye know and give credence to Me, And understand that I [am] He, Before Me there was no God formed, And after Me there is none.
Isaiah 43:9-11You do understand that the word Godhead only means Godhood. There is no god but GOD
Quote I will have to give some Physical representations to help you to understand Truth of “Spirit”…
You understand how water can strain through a strainer, to get water into a different container without contaminates.God was never contaminated, how horrible you speak about God Almighty.
Quote First let me say: we were all created in God's Image.
Jesus' Father was “HolySpirit”; meaning Jesus was born
1/2(50%) God and 1/2(50%) Human. The rest of us were
born 100% Human, so Jesus basically looks no different then any of us.And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:6-8That was the Holy Spirit just as Jesus breathed:
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
John 20:21-23Quote Next, Jesus is Baptized at the river Jordan where he receives more of the
“HolySpirit”(God), The Bible says without measure. So I cannot give you a % at this point.and yet Jesus says:
John 14:12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jesus didn't give a percentage to his disciples either and he didn't have to because he explained to them faith is the fulness of the Spirit, saying:
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 17:19-21Quote Lucifer in spirit form contaminated God's linage through Adam. Mary had some contamination through
the linage of Adam. So now after Jesus' baptism, Jesus has the exact proportional ratios of Lucifer as God himself has.This is far from the truth:
Do you not realize that Jesus was Sanctified?
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:35-37Sanctified= To make holy; purify.
In other words Jesus was born uncontaminated but what's more is Jesus says:
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:18-20Jesus explains that he keeps himself uncorrupted and those who receive the truth will be pure as well.
Quote The Bible reports this FACT: saying Jesus had all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. Which means Jesus
was now (in essence) an exact carbon copy of God. meaning Jesus reached equilibrium (equal to God) on a smaller scale.No, it does not mean that Jesus was an exact Copy, no one is equal to God, you err greatly, it simply means Jesus was full of Spirit. It's like an Ocean filling a glass bottle, the bottle is not equal to the ocean although it is full of the ocean, understand?
Quote Now the plan of God was that the unGodly (un unbeknown to them) would
Crucify Jesus separating the God Spirit from the Lucifer spirit once and for all!
God would then raise Jesus back to life, free of ANY residual Lucifer ratio;
successfully extracted Lucifer from the Godhead!
Meaning after resurrection Jesus would return to God with a 0% Lucifer retention Ratios.
Next, when Jesus returns to God, Lucifer becomes inactivated From God's Presence.That was a pretty elaborate and imaginative story, however it simply is not true. Jesus even says he saw Satan fall from the sky and this was before any crucifixion.
Quote
“Pentecost”: Explained starting from Heaven…
Lucifer now successfully removed from the Godhead!“Pentecost” begins by Jesus sending the “HolySpirit” back to Earth in behalf of GOD The Father…
Jesus gave the Holy Spirit before he was ascended
Quote and God the Father sending Jesus(Now in Spirit Form) back to earth with the “HolySpirit” to reside in all believers.
Now believers get the same ratio of Lucifer as God had to start with and the same ratio Jesus had after his baptism.So do all these believers now have to be crucified as well to seperate them from their lucifer ratio? Come on! ED you are preaching something Bizarre indeed.
Quote I don't know if you understood all that I said, but I believe that to be a complete (up till this point) explanation of “Bible Truth”! I understood everything you said but I'm hoping you don't understand everything that you've said. Had you only had read the Quran you would have had the knowledge but instead you tried to plug in the holes you
didn't understand with fantasy. But in all fairness to you there are many Christian denominations that have done the same thing.Quote Explaining the “Pentecost” procedure once again using bible verses:
Starting in heaven after the Crucifixion and Ascension, but before Pentecost day…These three verses together should help to better understand what I have just explain to you.
A personal “Pentecost” promised is for all believers: “THE SECOND TIME” refers to Jesus returning at Pentecost.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
“WE“(Jesus' Father + Jesus)[Isaiah 64:4-5 + Heb.9:28=John 14:23]
will come unto him(the believer), and make OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
Jesus Return!
Heb.9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation(A personal Pentecost).
Jesus' Father(HolySpirit) entering into Man.
Isaiah 64:4-5 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard,
nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God(HolySpirit),
beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Thou(HolySpirit + Jesus: A Personal “Pentecost”) meetest him(the Believer)
that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways:
behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.Feel free to ask me questions if you still have trouble understanding what I just explained to you; OK?
Okay, But I would sugget you read the Quran
Quote God bless
Ed JGod Bless
Jesus gave the disciples(except thomas) the Holy Spirit before the day of pentecostJohn 20:21-23 (Young's Literal Translation)
21Jesus, therefore, said to them again, `Peace to you; according as the Father hath sent me, I also send you;'
22and this having said, he breathed on [them], and saith to them, `Receive the Holy Spirit;
23if of any ye may loose the sins, they are loosed to them; if of any ye may retain, they have been retained.'
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 20 2010,06:12)
Jesus gave the disciples(except thomas) the Holy Spirit before the day of pentecostJohn 20:21-23 (Young's Literal Translation)
21Jesus, therefore, said to them again, `Peace to you; according as the Father hath sent me, I also send you;'
22and this having said, he breathed on [them], and saith to them, `Receive the Holy Spirit;
23if of any ye may loose the sins, they are loosed to them; if of any ye may retain, they have been retained.'
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2010,16:58)
“The Passover”
The removal of Lucifer from the Godhead…YHVH is GOD. YHVH is a Spirit. All originated from YHVH(was Created).
Lucifer was suppose to represent YHVH to flesh creatures(Humans),
but he did NOT give YHVH the Glory YHVH He deserved as the Creator.
So a plan was devised to remove Lucifer from the Godhead.You have made a horrible statement as how is it you have placed others in Godhood with YHVH when it is clear when YHVH stated:
Ye [are] My witnesses, an affirmation of Jehovah, And My servant whom I have chosen, So that ye know and give credence to Me, And understand that I [am] He, Before Me there was no God formed, And after Me there is none.
Isaiah 43:9-11You do understand that the word Godhead only means Godhood. There is no god but GOD
Quote I will have to give some Physical representations to help you to understand Truth of “Spirit”…
You understand how water can strain through a strainer, to get water into a different container without contaminates.God was never contaminated, how horrible you speak about God Almighty.
Quote First let me say: we were all created in God's Image.
Jesus' Father was “HolySpirit”; meaning Jesus was born
1/2(50%) God and 1/2(50%) Human. The rest of us were
born 100% Human, so Jesus basically looks no different then any of us.And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:6-8That was the Holy Spirit just as Jesus breathed:
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
John 20:21-23Quote Next, Jesus is Baptized at the river Jordan where he receives more of the
“HolySpirit”(God), The Bible says without measure. So I cannot give you a % at this point.and yet Jesus says:
John 14:12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jesus didn't give a percentage to his disciples either and he didn't have to because he explained to them faith is the fulness of the Spirit, saying:
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 17:19-21Quote Lucifer in spirit form contaminated God's linage through Adam. Mary had some contamination through
the linage of Adam. So now after Jesus' baptism, Jesus has the exact proportional ratios of Lucifer as God himself has.This is far from the truth:
Do you not realize that Jesus was Sanctified?
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:35-37Sanctified= To make holy; purify.
In other words Jesus was born uncontaminated but what's more is Jesus says:
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:18-20Jesus explains that he keeps himself uncorrupted and those who receive the truth will be pure as well.
Quote The Bible reports this FACT: saying Jesus had all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily. Which means Jesus
was now (in essence) an exact carbon copy of God. meaning Jesus reached equilibrium (equal to God) on a smaller scale.No, it does not mean that Jesus was an exact Copy, no one is equal to God, you err greatly, it simply means Jesus was full of Spirit. It's like an Ocean filling a glass bottle, the bottle is not equal to the ocean although it is full of the ocean, understand?
Quote Now the plan of God was that the unGodly (un unbeknown to them) would
Crucify Jesus separating the God Spirit from the Lucifer spirit once and for all!
God would then raise Jesus back to life, free of ANY residual Lucifer ratio;
successfully extracted Lucifer from the Godhead!
Meaning after resurrection Jesus would return to God with a 0% Lucifer retention Ratios.
Next, when Jesus returns to God, Lucifer becomes inactivated From God's Presence.That was a pretty elaborate and imaginative story, however it simply is not true. Jesus even says he saw Satan fall from the sky and this was before any crucifixion.
Quote
“Pentecost”: Explained starting from Heaven…
Lucifer now successfully removed from the Godhead!“Pentecost” begins by Jesus sending the “HolySpirit” back to Earth in behalf of GOD The Father…
Jesus gave the Holy Spirit before he was ascended
Quote and God the Father sending Jesus(Now in Spirit Form) back to earth with the “HolySpirit” to reside in all believers.
Now believers get the same ratio of Lucifer as God had to start with and the same ratio Jesus had after his baptism.So do all these believers now have to be crucified as well to seperate them from their lucifer ratio? Come on! ED you are preaching something Bizarre in
deed.Quote I don't know if you understood all that I said, but I believe that to be a complete (up till this point) explanation of “Bible Truth”! I understood everything you said but I'm hoping you don't understand everything that you've said. Had you only had read the Quran you would have had the knowledge but instead you tried to plug in the holes you didn't understand with fantasy. But in all fairness to you there are many Christian denominations that have done the same thing.
Quote Explaining the “Pentecost” procedure once again using bible verses:
Starting in heaven after the Crucifixion and Ascension, but before Pentecost day…These three verses together should help to better understand what I have just explain to you.
A personal “Pentecost” promised is for all believers: “THE SECOND TIME” refers to Jesus returning at Pentecost.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
“WE“(Jesus' Father + Jesus)[Isaiah 64:4-5 + Heb.9:28=John 14:23]
will come unto him(the believer), and make OUR ABODE WITH HIM.
Jesus Return!
Heb.9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation(A personal Pentecost).
Jesus' Father(HolySpirit) entering into Man.
Isaiah 64:4-5 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard,
nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God(HolySpirit),
beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Thou(HolySpirit + Jesus: A Personal “Pentecost”) meetest him(the Believer)
that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways:
behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.Feel free to ask me questions if you still have trouble understanding what I just explained to you; OK?
Okay, But I would sugget you read the Quran
Quote God bless
Ed JGod Bless
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 19 2010,16:05) mikeboll64 Quote If ill on your current life is what it takes for you to receive everlasting life, it's a small price to pay. Sorry if that statement hurt you, though.
The last thing in the world I could possibly want is ‘everlasting life’. What a truly horrendous thing to wish for. Thank goodness it doesn’t really happen!Quote But what if we Christians are wrong, Stu? What's the harm? What if we die and end up fertilizing trees? We try our best to live our lives by the two greatest commandments.
Your first point is Pascal’s point, and if there was a deity that had respect for Pascal suggestion that you can just have a bob each way, then I can’t see why it would be worthy of worship. your second point about living your life by commandment I’m afraid does not reach high enough for the standards I set for living my life.Quote 1. Love God with all your heart-translation:don't be so egotistical to think one species on one planet of billions has all the answers and are the smartest things in the universe.
If I may say so that is slightly hypocritical: you are telling people not to be egotistical from the point of view of adherence to one of the most egotistical belief systems in all human history.Quote 2. Love your neighbor as you love yourself-translation:don't cheat, steal from or hurt anybody else.
And apple pie is great too. Are you seriously suggesting that, prior to the mythological event of Moses lumbering down Mount Horeb with stone tablets from your Imaginary Friend, the Children of Israel had absolutely no clue that stealing was bad? That hurting others is wrong? Did Judeo-christianity just codify existing morality, or did it steal the ethics that already existed and parade them as original? Is that honest?Quote So what if we're wrong and the world is a better place because we believe and try to live by those commandments? (And please don't go to the “most wars, etc. are caused by religion” place. We know that guns don't kill people-people kill people. Same applies. Religion doesn't start wars, people do.)
Christianity is based around living a better existence because of a human sacrifice. Christianity demands that you believe things despite there being no evidence for them. Christianity is used every day to oppress people. Sure there are other means by which people are oppressed too, but there is no good that cannot be done without religious belief. in the words of Steven Weinberg:With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Quote BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?
If I am wrong, and I am standing before your god at any stage, I will use whatever energy I can muster to demand that your god account for its singular and systematic brutality towards humanity, as admitted by it in the Jewish bible. I will do that on your behalf, as a fellow human being.Stuart
Hi Stu,Are you angry? Your post “sounds” angry.
1. Have a bob each way? I don't understand the teminology. But I'm not thinking “we may be wrong”. I asked you that to make the point, “so what if YOU think we're wrong?” Are we hurting you personally?
2. What exactly do you do in your life that is above and beyond the commandment and Jesus' teaching.
3. How is Christianity an “egotistical belief system”?
4. “Steal the ethics that already exixted”? Where DID ethics come from? Animals don't have them. And mankind doesn't need them to survive. What virus did they “evolve” from?
5. “Christianity demands you believe things despite no evidence”. Are you for real? It takes more faith to believe that a one-celled organism first began by a lucky lightning strike and then expanded into every living thing on this planet due to “environmental stresses” than it does to believe there is a creator. Where is a YOUR proof? In God's words to Job, “tell me since you must have been there, you have lived so many years.”
6. “about good and evil”, again where did the concept “evolve” from? If we evolved, why wouldn't it just be “eat or be eaten”. Why do we even have a concept of good and evil?
7. “you will DEMAND an account”? I used to feel that way. Like somehow I could have done a better job than God. But I learned from the Bible that all through history, had man done it the way God said to, the world woudn't be in this sad shape. Again in God's words to Job, “Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.”
And Stu, though I know it might make your skin crawl to know this, I will pray for you and invite everyone on this site to do the same.
Peace and love to you
mikeQuote Are you angry? Your post “sounds” angry.
Hi Mike. No I don’t think I am angry. I accept that I sound angry but I don’t feel anger. Christianity does bring out the worst in me!Quote 1. Have a bob each way? I don't understand the teminology. But I'm not thinking “we may be wrong”. I asked you that to make the point, “so what if YOU think we're wrong?” Are we hurting you personally?
Have a bob each way is an Australasian expression, a metaphor that taken literally would mean to bet equally on all the horses in a race. Pascal’s wager is an example of betting on both horses.You have not hurt me personally, but I think when creationists lie to children about natural history for dogmatic religious reasons, and Catholic priests tell little children that their little unsaved friends will go to hell if they do not repent (not to mention what else that obscene organisation has done to children), and Jews cut off a perfectly functioning part of their infant sons’ penises and have a Rabbi such that organ as well, then yes I think Judeo-christianity causes a great deal of hurt. I could go on you know, but will spare you further accounts of Judeo-christian atrocities.
Quote 2. What exactly do you do in your life that is above and beyond the commandment and Jesus' teaching.
Well none of us actually know what Jesus really said (or if he even existed, with any confidence), so how could I answer that?Quote 3. How is Christianity an “egotistical belief system”?
It is pretty obvious that the universe is indifferent to us, indeed we would not survive outside this delicately thin biosphere without some sophisticated technology. Now your system of religious belief insists that the universe was specially made with you in mind, by an Imaginary Friend that listens simultaneously to you and every other one of the billions who bother it with requests to suspend the laws of physics specifically to their benefit. It tells you that you are special and other people will be punished for not belonging to your club. You stand to benefit personally from the supposed judicial execution of an ancient Palestinian. If that is not egotistical to you then I’m not sure what would be.Quote 4. “Steal the ethics that already exixted”? Where DID ethics come from? Animals don't have them. And mankind doesn't need them to survive. What virus did they “evolve” from?
Not sure what viruses have to do with it. I think it would be possible to have an argument over whether other animal species have ethics or not, that would depend on definitions. Certainly other species don’t appear to have traditions of moral philosophy, but they do display controls on behaviours.Ethics are the genetically hard-wired and acquired cultural attitudes and behaviours that have played an important part in human survival and the continuation of the species. The equivalent in other species is derived from the same origins.
What do you think about the question about Moses and the Children of Israel?
Quote 5. “Christianity demands you believe things despite no evidence”. Are you for real?
Virgin birth, resurrection, walking on water. Gullibility 3 – Evidence 0.Quote It takes more faith to believe that a one-celled organism first began by a lucky lightning strike and then expanded into every living thing on this planet due to “environmental stresses” than it does to believe there is a creator.
I don’t think that takes any faith to believe at all (apart from the lightning bit, that sounds like pop-nonsense). On the other hand, a ‘creator’ for which there is no evidence explains nothing anyway.Are you sure you were an atheist at some point? Usually an atheist in a god-deluded world would have thought about these issues already.
Quote Where is a YOUR proof? In God's words to Job, “tell me since you must have been there, you have lived so many years.”
Where is my ‘proof’ for what? A mathematical theorem?Quote 6. “about good and evil”, again where did the concept “evolve” from? If we evolved, why wouldn't it just be “eat or be eaten”. Why do we even have a concept of good and evil?
Although Steven Weinberg used it in that quote, I don’t subscribe any meaning to the word ‘evil’ personally. It is a simplistic nonsense religious noun. Perhaps that is why you have the concept, being religious. Why WOULD it be ‘eat or be eaten’?Quote 7. “you will DEMAND an account”? I used to feel that way. Like somehow I could have done a better job than God. But I learned from the Bible that all through history, had man done it the way God said to, the world woudn't be in this sad shape. Again in God's words to Job, “Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.”
So you are saying that your answer to ‘evil’ would be to arbitrarily smite people (even Uzzah, who was only trying to help) and to drown virtually everyone in the world?Why do you worship such a petulant monster? Anyone else who admitted to the atrocities of the OT would end up in the International Court of Justice in the Hague, charged with genocide.
Quote And Stu, though I know it might make your skin crawl to know this, I will pray for you and invite everyone on this site to do the same.
Please don’t do that. It makes me more likely to die of complications of cardiac surgery. Which would be a real shock because I have not had any heart surgery. Also your life is too precious to waste on political rituals that have no documented effect whatever above placebo. I would feel guilty if you were to waste your lifetime like that. After all, you only have this one life: thank goodness for that,
and make the most of it!Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Quote Are you angry? Your post “sounds” angry.
Hi Mike. No I don’t think I am angry.
I accept that I sound angry but I don’t feel anger.
Christianity does bring out the worst in me!It is pretty obvious that the universe is indifferent to us
Stuart
Hi Stuart,God has indeed been misrepresented by many, but
that should not cause you to feel spiteful toward Him.Matt. 5:44-45 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them
which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the
children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to
rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,05:53) The odds are that inbreeding would cause extinction in quite short order. Stuart
First off, even if there were genetically weak offspring, there could also be strong individuals among them. Inbreeding doesn't always lead to genetic disorders, it only increases the chances because any recessive trait that has bad consequences, can easily pair up and become dominant. But remember that for every recessive genetic trait, there is a dominant one that has a greater chance of winning. So lets say that gene (B) is a recessive weak trait that leads to an early death for what ever reason, and (A) is a dominant normal trait. The genotype of both parents is sound in as far as they can live normal lives but are both carriers of gene (B), so they have been unaffected themselves. In this case, their offspring have a 25% chance of inheriting the bad trait, which means that 75% have a chance of inheriting the good trait. If the bad trait affected survival, then that bad trait would less likely be passed on as the ones with the good trait live longer and reproduce more. This could eventually flush out the bad trait if the bad trait non-coding activated before puberty. If it was after, then it would flush out slower.Here are the combinations of this example if we assume the parents are healthy enough to survive and have no dominant traits that lead to extinction:
(AA) Good. The trait wasn't passed on.
(BB) Bad because this trait leads to an early death as mentioned.
(AB) OK, because you can survive, like the parents, but you are a carrier like them.
(BA) OK, because you can survive, like the parents, but you are a carrier like them.In normal conditions with parents who are not a genetic match, you don't often get a match with recessive weak traits that are a matter of life and death. But that said, even a genetically weak population of people could still survive on this island because there are no other people existing on this island for them to compete with. As long as any bad traits were not lethal, but only at worse affected survival performance in some way, then their lack of competition with stronger humans is a plus that could counter their deficit to some degree.
As long as they desire to live and can feed, clothe, and house themselves, they should have no problem surviving. Of course we are assuming that the original couple can reproduce.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 20 2010,20:26) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 18 2010,05:53) The odds are that inbreeding would cause extinction in quite short order. Stuart
First off, even if there were genetically weak offspring, there could also be strong individuals among them. Inbreeding doesn't always lead to genetic disorders, it only increases the chances because any recessive trait that has bad consequences, can easily pair up and become dominant. But remember that for every recessive genetic trait, there is a dominant one that has a greater chance of winning. So lets say that gene (B) is a recessive weak trait that leads to an early death for what ever reason, and (A) is a dominant normal trait. The genotype of both parents is sound in as far as they can live normal lives but are both carriers of gene (B), so they have been unaffected themselves. In this case, their offspring have a 25% chance of inheriting the bad trait, which means that 75% have a chance of inheriting the good trait. If the bad trait affected survival, then that bad trait would less likely be passed on as the ones with the good trait live longer and reproduce more. This could eventually flush out the bad trait if the bad trait non-coding activated before puberty. If it was after, then it would flush out slower.Here are the combinations of this example if we assume the parents are healthy enough to survive and have no dominant traits that lead to extinction:
(AA) Good. The trait wasn't passed on.
(BB) Bad because this trait leads to an early death as mentioned.
(AB) OK, because you can survive, like the parents, but you are a carrier like them.
(BA) OK, because you can survive, like the parents, but you are a carrier like them.In normal conditions with parents who are not a genetic match, you don't often get a match with recessive weak traits that are a matter of life and death. But that said, even a genetically weak population of people could still survive on this island because there are no other people existing on this island for them to compete with. As long as any bad traits were not lethal, but only at worse affected survival performance in some way, then their lack of competition with stronger humans is a plus that could counter their deficit to some degree.
As long as they desire to live and can feed, clothe, and house themselves, they should have no problem surviving. Of course we are assuming that the original couple can reproduce.
Now go back and do the maths again, this time for a population of just one breeding pair.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Hi Mike. It tells you that you are special and other people will be punished for not belonging to your club.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,If all the special people that belonged to my club got special privileges,
but the ones that refused to join were denied the same special privileges.
Would you consider those that were denied the special privileges Punished?This is a legitimate question, one that I sincerely hope you will answer seriously.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,20:22) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Quote Are you angry? Your post “sounds” angry.
Hi Mike. No I don’t think I am angry.
I accept that I sound angry but I don’t feel anger.
Christianity does bring out the worst in me!It is pretty obvious that the universe is indifferent to us
Stuart
Hi Stuart,God has indeed been misrepresented by many, but
that should not cause you to feel spiteful toward Him.Matt. 5:44-45 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them
which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the
children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to
rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
It would be madness to feel real spite towards something that does not exist.Let's say you went and saw a Batman movie, and you felt something like anger for the dastardly deeds of the Joker, then I suppose that might be some kind of analogy with my feelings towards your god concept.
Of course the Judeo-christian god is not just a cartoon villain, it is one of the most bloodthirsty fictional characters in all mythology.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Christianity does bring out the worst in me!
Well it is written that darkness hates the light because the light overcomes it.That said, I can understand animosity toward Christianity. I have similar sentiments because God's name has been used by many evil men in the name of Christianity. Christianity became a very useful tool for Roman Emperors and it could be said that the Roman Empire lived on as the Holy Roman Empire that eventually morphed into the RCC with the Vatican as the headquarters. Millions have been slaughtered by this organisation, even real believers. This is really not about the Church but Politics.
Of course I do not have those same feelings toward God himself or Jesus Christ. If you really listen what Jesus said, he never condoned what was done in the name of Christianity.
Like I said once before, if people are really stupid, then all it takes to destroy an enemy is to become or join the enemy and give a bad witness. The Roman Empire used Christianity in this way. It was very useful to their purposes. At first Believers were a huge threat to the empire that they sought to extinguish. They failed there, so the next thing to do was join it and then take it over. (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer).
Like I said, those who think that God and Jesus are personified by Christianity, are not really thinking straight. Jesus never taught that you should kill your enemy for a start. He preached love for God and all men.
Forget Christianity, think Christ. One is politics and the other is the truth that is carried by the true Church which is his body made of believers. This can be verified in scripture in case you think I made it up.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,20:37) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Hi Mike. It tells you that you are special and other people will be punished for not belonging to your club.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,If all the special people that belonged to my club got special privileges,
but the ones that refused to join were denied the same special privileges.
Would you consider those that were denied the special privileges Punished?This is a legitimate question, one that I sincerely hope you will answer seriously.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you know your own mythology?I have denied Jesus in a couple of forums, including this one at least twice (for a bit of a laugh really). Now you know that does not just mean I cannot enjoy the promised (but never delivered on) privileges of your special treehouse club, it ALSO means I will be dug up on judgment day and destroyed by burning.
Do you consider that the withdrawing of special promised privileges is not the only threat your club makes to those who exercise their free will not to join?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 20 2010,20:41) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Christianity does bring out the worst in me!
Well it is written that darkness hates the light because the light overcomes it.That said, I can understand animosity toward Christianity. I have similar sentiments because God's name has been used by many evil men in the name of Christianity. Christianity became a very useful tool for Roman Emperors and it could be said that the Roman Empire lived on as the Holy Roman Empire that eventually morphed into the RCC with the Vatican as the headquarters. Millions have been slaughtered by this organisation, even real believers. This is really not about the Church but Politics.
Of course I do not have those same feelings toward God himself or Jesus Christ. If you really listen what Jesus said, he never condoned what was done in the name of Christianity.
Like I said once before, if people are really stupid, then all it takes to destroy an enemy is to become or join the enemy and give a bad witness. The Roman Empire used Christianity in this way. It was very useful to their purposes. At first Believers were a huge threat to the empire that they sought to extinguish. They failed there, so the next thing to do was join it and then take it over. (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer).
Like I said, those who think that God and Jesus are personified by Christianity, are not really thinking straight. Jesus never taught that you should kill your enemy for a start. He preached love for God and all men.
Forget Christianity, think Christ. One is politics and the other is the truth that is carried by the true Church which is his body made of believers. This can be verified in scripture in case you think I made it up.
You would not be writing these words today were it not for the Holy Roman Empire of Constantine. There almost certainly would be no modern interest in the christian cult had it not been for the conversion of that emperor. It would have gone the way of Greek mythology and cults like that of Mithras (which is virtually identical to christianity in its mythology).Aren't you being just a little ungrateful to those who kept your delusion alive all this time?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,20:45) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 20 2010,20:37) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 20 2010,16:21) Hi Mike. It tells you that you are special and other people will be punished for not belonging to your club.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,If all the special people that belonged to my club got special privileges,
but the ones that refused to join were denied the same special privileges.
Would you consider those that were denied the special privileges Punished?This is a legitimate question, one that I sincerely hope you will answer seriously.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you know your own mythology?I have denied Jesus in a couple of forums, including this one at least twice (for a bit of a laugh really). Now you know that does not just mean I cannot enjoy the promised (but never delivered on) privileges of your special treehouse club, it ALSO means I will be dug up on judgment day and destroyed by burning.
Do you consider that the withdrawing of special promised privileges is not the only threat your club makes to those who exercise their free will not to join?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You did not answer my question?
You answered according to preconceived prejudices.
Using your analogy it would be like you describing what you would do to a cartoon villain.Now just answer my question without prejudice.
Try again
Ed JReposted from another discussion in response to KJ's statement that some Christians believe in Evolution.
God created life forms which reproduce “after their kind”. Obviously like any good programmer that requires robustness, each of these kinds would need a vast amount of genetic information to cater for a wide variety of environments in order to survive. This results in weeding out some genetic information for sure, and it also favours other information. Think of the large variety of dogs for example. They are found in the Arctic Circle to the deserts of Australia and come in all shapes and sizes which favour certain environments.
This is natural selection or originally known as artificial selection. Before you go thinking that I am subscribing to the Theory of Evolution, I need to remind you that Edward Blyth (a creationist who was a year younger than Darwin), thought of the concept 25 years before Darwin’s 'Origin of Species' was published, although he never actually used the term “natural selection'. Blythe even recognised that Darwin had been feeding off him like an intellectual leech and Francis Hitching, an evolutionist, wrote: “Darwin took everything Blyth had said and used it to support an opposite conclusion”.
Blyth regarded natural selection as a process that would remove defective traits, to maintain the health and archetype of species. In other words a design of God that helped species to survive and adapt, to stop them from becoming weaker. It has been speculated that Darwin removed much reference to Blythe in his notebook which has the cryptic reference “All useful pages cut out” so you can draw your own conclusion here, but he did say in 'Origin of Species', “Mr. Blyth, whose opinion, from his large and varied stores of knowledge, I should value more than that of almost any one, …”.
Evolution doesn't own Natural Selection, but not all know that, and so some think they believe in Evolution, but they really believe in Natural Selection minus the Evolutionist's reason for it. Evolution goes way beyond Natural Selection in suggesting that species evolve into new species. Such as dinosaur species becoming bird species over time, or primitive apes becoming man.
I might start up a discussion on Darwin's use of Blythe's ideas. Could be very educational.
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