Cf and bif debate

[Is 1:18]

Hi SF,
I suggest you just go ahead and pick a topic and get this thing kicked off.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,09:02)

Hi SF, I suggest you just go ahead and pick a topic and get this thing kicked off.

Any topic on Mike's existing list except the four I indicated. We have beat those in to the ground already and it will be nothing but repetition and a waste of time again. Or any topic Mike wants to discuss about Christ's divinity that is not on his list.

Jack

[Is 1:18]

I didn't realise there was a list, where is it?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,11:51)

I didn't realise there was a list, where is it?

Paul,

The list is on page 5 of our debate 2nd post down. The four I have disqualified have already beaten to death and two of them are presently being discussed in Scripture and Biblical Doctrine (protokos and begotten).

Jack

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,13:39)

Why can't we go question by question?  I ask one.  He answers and asks one of his own?   mike

Hi Mike,

That's exactly what I told WJ Here –>(Third Post). but he ran from me.
“Bible Truth” is hard to refute, so the 'only option' is run. (James 4:7)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,12:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,13:39) Why can't we go question by question?  I ask one.  He answers and asks one of his own?   mike Hi Mike, That's exactly what I told WJ Here –>(Third Post). but he ran from me. “Bible Truth” is hard to refute, so the 'only option' is run. (James 4:7) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Another chest beating ape.

KJ

[Ed J]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 18 2010,12:49)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,12:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2010,13:39) Why can't we go question by question?  I ask one.  He answers and asks one of his own?   mike Hi Mike, That's exactly what I told WJ Here –>(Third Post). but he ran from me. “Bible Truth” is hard to refute, so the 'only option' is run. (James 4:7) God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Another chest beating ape. KJ

Hi Kang,

You run as well. Fifth Post last Paragraph!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Is 1:18]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 18 2010,12:25)

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,11:51) I didn't realise there was a list, where is it? Paul, The list is on page 5 of our debate 2nd post down. The four I have disqualified have already beaten to death and two of them are presently being discussed in Scripture and Biblical Doctrine (protokos and begotten). Jack

That's a good list. I wish Mike would just hurry up and pick a topic and there would be some agreement around a format.

Mike, ball's in your court.

[mikeboll64]

Is wrote:

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Thank you Paul, it IS a good list.  I made it.  

Jack, if I said you picked pasa ktisis and it grew to include monogenes, but it was really the other way around, I'm dreadfully sorry for my mistake.  Did my mistake defame your name in any way?  You yell that I'm a bald faced liar because I got the ONLY two things we really ever discussed mixed up in my head?  Wow, man.

And you have a couple of things mixed up as well.  We have NEVER discussed right hand.  I have tried and tried, but you would not let the pasa ktisis and monogenes go.  Well too, bad for you now.  I've got new proof on those.      

If anyone were to read the last few pages of our debate, they would see me almost begging to move on to right hand, and you refusing to quit on monogenes and pasa kitisis.  And we never even hit on prototokos.  So now that you know I have killer proof on the two we discussed, you want to not only avoid them, but jump right over what was to be my next choice before you quit.      

Just forget it guys.  I don't feel like debating within a format anyway.  All I want is a point by point with a moderator who can try to keep Jack from avoiding and running away.  You can all clearly see he is already running away from monogenes, prototkos pasa ktisis and right hand before we even start.

Like I've said before Jack, put up or shut up.  If you are so sure those words mean what you think, you should have no problem proving that.

Sorry Dennison.  Get him to agree to you “moderating” our current debate, and I will EAGERLY continue. I've been bumping both Jack's and WJ's debates occasionally, but to no avail.

I am getting increasingly frustrated at HN. It seems no one wants to answer when you make a good point that refutes their beliefs. They don't even deal with your point, just do end runs around it. 

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Correction: we did discuss firstborn, but the focus was more on the “of every creature”. My mistake.

mike

[Is 1:18]

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Just forget it guys. I don't feel like debating within a format anyway.

Backing out Mike? That's very hypocritical after you accused Jack from running away from you all over the forum.

[Lightenup]

I'd like to see a debate between Mike and Paul…that would be interesting!

[Proclaimer]

I second that. What about it.
To make it easy, just one thing per topic and let people weigh in when one person decides to dodge a legit point.

[Is 1:18]

Okay. As long as I can pick the topic, format and timeline.

[Is 1:18]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2010,16:17)

I'd like to see a debate between Mike and Paul…that would be interesting!

Mike debates with Paul (the NT writer) all the time…..

[SimplyForgiven]

Hi Is- Paul,

Finally!..
I have had enough debating about debating!!! I cant believe this…
im actually disapointed.

I smell fear in the air, my nostrils are senstive to these scents.

Ok how are we going to do this?
Whats the topic?

??Im think about making a format that is in Question and Answer style, that would be easier for everyone to use.
what do you think???

[SimplyForgiven]

Hi all,

Im aware that this format seems complicated,
Even though the whole point was to make people stop dodging questions and actualyl reach a conclusion.

Should i make it more simple? more open?

[Is 1:18]

Hi SF,
I've got some thoughts but I'll wait to see if Mike accepts before I lay it out if that's okay. Mike might not like my conditions but I have to do this on my terms due to some other commitments I have.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 18 2010,19:54)

Hi SF, I've got some thoughts but I'll wait to see if Mike accepts before I lay it out if that's okay. Mike might not like my conditions but I have to do this on my terms due to some other commitments I have.

Very well,

but i dont think Mike is fond of the format i provided, even though its the answer to finaly solve debates.

I might create a Q&A format with limitations. I dont know, it seems that members want something a bit quicker and simple for everyone to use, but finallly gets us to a result.

[KangarooJack]

TO MIKE:

Mike,

I over reacted in calling you a bald faced liar. I will apologize for that. I am still burning from your false accusations that I said that Jesus is above His Father. You falsely accused me of this at the beginning of our debate and again near the end. The second time you even included WJ and said that we are both blasphemers. I proved that your charges were wrong both times and you never apologized.

And we did discuss the Right Hand point on Echad 2. I even copied and pasted the beginning of our discussions to the debate because I did not want to discuss points we had agreed upon elsewhere. And you would not discuss it there. Remember my saying that king David called Christ his “Adonay” (God) in Psalm 110:5 and you denied that Adonay always refers to God? David replied to Jehovah saying, “My Adonay (God) is at your right hand.” I showed you that Jesus reigns at God's right hand as God. But you denied that Adonay always refers to God and you even said that Christ does not reign at all now. Then I asked you what Jesus is doing at God's right hand and you said He is “waiting” on God.  REMEMBER?

We continued to discuss it on Echad for several long posts after that. At the same time we were discussing it on Echad you were demanding that we discuss in the debate even after you had ignored that I copied and pasted it there. It is somewhere in the last half of the debate.

I am willing to debate anything on your list that we have not discussed but it must have format with an end in sight. You are too demanding on my time. By “format” I mean that we each present opening remarks of certain word length, a fixed number rebuttals each within a certain amount of words and closing statements each within a certain amount of words.

Jack

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