Can We Please God?

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 07 2010,02:29)

Mandy……..Sis, chosenone is right we experience Evil to learn to love the Good. without experiencing it in our lives we could never come to hate Evil and love the good. The more we have been exposed to evil the more were hate it. As cruel and hateful evil is, it does serve a Godly purpose of God would have never allowed it in the first place. It takes both sides of the picture to get the balance. Love the good and Hate the Evil and you do.

It's alway good to hear from you Mandy.

peace and love to you and your Mandy……………….gene

gene

it stinks and it is not scriptural what you are teaching and that included your friend Choseone,

your interpretation is only in your entourage.

the truth is not in your explanation.
we experience evil because we do not rely on God for protection ,and God did not create evil ,you are corrupting the truth

so Mandy stand 100 feet away from people who teaches things like this.

March 8, 2010 at 8:55 pm#182493

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2010,16:42)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 07 2010,02:29)

It's alway good to hear from you Mandy.

peace and love to you and your Mandy……………….gene

gene

it stinks and it is not scriptural what you are teaching and that included your friend Choseone,

your interpretation is only in your entourage.

the truth is not in your explanation.
we experience evil because we do not rely on God for protection ,and God did not create evil ,you are corrupting the truth

so Mandy stand 100 feet away from people who teaches things like this.

terraricca.
You say “it stinks” what we are teaching. First of all , I am not “teaching”. What I say is scriptural, and I usually post the scripture in referal to what I say. So please don't try to discredit me with these cruel remarks.
You say “God did not create evil”, please look at the scripture 'Isaiah 45:7' I will quote the scripture:

Former of light and Creator of darkness,
Maker of good and Creator of evil,
I, Leue Alueim, made all these things.

Now, I am not 'teaching' falsehoods, this is scripture I am quoting. If you think it “stinks”, then you are blaspheming Gods word, not my so-called 'teachings'.
An apology would be appreciated, God Bless.

Jerry.

March 8, 2010 at 9:15 pm#182497

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Jerry,
The word you show as evil is 'Ra' in Hebrew and is translated as – adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displeasure, distress. Yes God truly does bring this on those who oppose Him. But that is far from creating evil.

My opinion – Wm

March 8, 2010 at 9:18 pm#182499

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Quote (chosenone @ Mar. 09 2010,07:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2010,16:42)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 07 2010,02:29)

It's alway good to hear from you Mandy.

peace and love to you and your Mandy……………….gene

gene

it stinks and it is not scriptural what you are teaching and that included your friend Choseone,

your interpretation is only in your entourage.

the truth is not in your explanation.
we experience evil because we do not rely on God for protection ,and God did not create evil ,you are corrupting the truth

so Mandy stand 100 feet away from people who teaches things like this.

Former of light and Creator of darkness,
Maker of good and Creator of evil,
I, Leue Alueim, made all these things.

Jerry.

wen you give your opinion you should know ,that you are teaching,the one who do not is a listener he does not give advise,

secondly if you take a verse to explain what you define as accurate make sure it do so.

here is the top and bottom verses ;Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
Isa 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
men may know there is none besides me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

Isa 45:8 “You heavens above, rain down righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness grow with it;
I, the LORD, have created it.

Isa 45:9 “Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker,
to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’

the way i see it correct me if i am wrong,god created the light and by doing so he created also darkness ,
God created righteousness by opposition open a door to wickedness,just because people chose to do wrong it is not to be blamed on God,

just because i build a bridge that i responsible for the people using it to kill themselves by jumping off of it.or all the accidents on it.

you made a misuse of that verse and so is Gene.

sorry no apology

March 9, 2010 at 2:26 am#182588

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terraricca.
I strongly disagree, an opinion is NOT giving “advice”. Also, according to the 'Interlinear Scripture Analyser', the correct translation for that scripture is “evil”. It is only 'your' opinion that Gene and I are wrong, It is our opinion that you are wrong. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. I will not correspond on this subject again, there is no piont in continuing to do so.

Blessings, Jerry.

March 9, 2010 at 2:45 am#182593

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When I state something followed by “my opinion” I''m saying that it is to the best of my understanding and I'm submitting it for discussion to better understand truth, if I state things as facts, then I'm teaching.

March 9, 2010 at 6:24 am#182633

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 09 2010,13:45)

Hi Wm.
I agree, that is a good explanation. I included scripture with my opinion, would you call that scripture, copied directly from my bible (it may not be the same version as others) word for word, would you call that an opinion or a fact?
Just wondering.

Blessings, Jerry.

March 11, 2010 at 6:29 pm#182926

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Jerry,
I'm not questioning your method and I agree that it is the proper source to establish your case, but what I am questioning is the interpretation of your particular source. I also quoted the definition from a site offering the Hebrew text and the definition of each word. The whole of scripture teaches that God commands us to purge evil so I cannot agree with an interpretation that has God creating evil, especially one that has God dowling it out, consider these scriptures:

Job 34:10
“So listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do evil, from the Almighty to do wrong.

James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

When God warned them of the evil if they forsook His ways, He was letting them know He would remove His protection and evil would have it's way.

My opinion – Wm

March 11, 2010 at 9:14 pm#182974

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Hi seekingtruth.

In Job 34:10, I believe it says that “God cannot do evil”, I agree totally, God cannot “DO” evil, but He “uses” it for His purpose. Which is “to become all in all” (1Cor.15)

Also in James 1:13, Again, I believe in that statement, that God does not “tempt anyone”. Scripture says “All is of God”, His purpose is to achieve that “every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess”, and He uses evil (that He created) to teach mankind the knowledge of 'good'. One cannot know “good”, unless one experiences “evil”.

That is my understanding of why God ceated “evil”.

Blessings, Jerry.

March 11, 2010 at 11:20 pm#182998

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Jerry,
I see it more as God allows evil to accomplish a greater good, however I still do not believe that God created anyone evil, only with the freedom to choose evil. In fact you will find on other threads where I postulated that part of the Fathers reasoning for our creation was to demonstrate to the angels the effects that sin would have if allowed to continue (the difference would be He can redeem finite man, but not immortal angels).

Quite obviously my opinion – Wm

March 12, 2010 at 12:33 am#183006

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Hi Wm.
You stated that you do not believe God created anyone evil.
In Proverbs 16:4…
Yahwey has made everything for its own pertinent end,
Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Also, in Ro.9:21…
21 Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?
I believe this is God saying, in other words, that He makes some good, and some evil. Would you agree with this?

I would like to quote more of this scripture if I may?…
Ro.9:16-23
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
17 For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that “For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth.”
18 Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.
19 You will be protesting to me, then, “Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?”
20 O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is molded will not protest to the molder, “Why do you make me thus?”
21 Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?
22 Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much patience, the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction,
23 it is that He should also be making known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory —

I would be pleased it you would read this part of the book of Romans, I believe it states that God is in complete control, He is “operating ALL in accord of the councel of HIS WILL” (Eph.1:11)

Let me know what you think.

God Bless, Jerry.

PS. I use the “Concordant Version”, of scripture, a literal translation.

March 12, 2010 at 3:59 pm#183111

GeneBalthrop

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WM……..What do you do with where it say in Job that GOD Brought all the EVIL ON JOB? Job 42:11

While God (HIMSELF) does no EVIL , He certainly can and does cause Evil to be done. Even sets up evil leaders for the destruction of a nation.Good and Evil are teaching tools GOD uses to teach us with, “FOR YOU SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD”. God is in total control of (ALL) thing in HIS Creation no matter what any arrogant pride infested Human thinks. And no greater arrogance exists as to think we need to give GOD permission by our so-called “FREE WILLS” to do with us as He see fit.

WM………Man does not want to Give GOD (FULL) Authority in (ALL) things so he invents the word “FREE”WILLS, there exists no such thing as a “FREE” WILL. GOD allows us the freedom to express our (INFLUENCED) WILL but He can and does (IN) His childern control those Influences. Or who do you explain these words, “THE LORD BLESS YOU AND (KEEP) YOU, THE LORD (MAKE) HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO YOU, THE LORD LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE ON YOU AND (GIVE) YOU PEACE. Where do you see man “FREE” Will in any of that. It is (ALL) of GOD or ALL of Man no in between.

WM, Chosenone has presented it right from scripture, accurately, IMO.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

March 19, 2010 at 7:50 pm#183992

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 13 2010,02:59)

WM……..What do you do with where it say in Job that GOD Brought all the EVIL ON JOB? Job 42:11

WM, Chosenone has presented it right from scripture, accurately, IMO.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

God does not cause evil,your interpretation is evil,and put dirt on God name,

March 24, 2010 at 4:27 am#184553

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terraricca.
Isaiah 45:7 Former of light and Creator of darkness,
Make of good and creator of evil.
I, Ieue Alueim, made all of these things.

Do you not believe scripture?

March 24, 2010 at 4:50 am#184559

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Quote (chosenone @ Mar. 24 2010,16:27)

terraricca.
Isaiah 45:7 Former of light and Creator of darkness,
Make of good and creator of evil.
I, Ieue Alueim, made all of these things.

Do you not believe scripture?

your conclution stinks;

Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
Isa 45:6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
men may know there is none besides me.
I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.

Isa 45:8 “You heavens above, rain down righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.

GOD CREATED LIGHT (DAY) AND DARKNESS (NIGHT)

YOU CAN NOT CONVICE TRUE WORSHIPER OF THIS TYPE OF UNDERSTANDING.

March 24, 2010 at 5:17 am#184565

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terraricca.
I quoted scripture from my bible, if you don't believe what is written it is not worth continuing this discussion. I'll end my participation now.

Jerry.

March 24, 2010 at 4:14 pm#184608

GeneBalthrop

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Jerry………> If they don't really believe what is written then what can you do, you are right in discontinuing discussions on this.

Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene

March 24, 2010 at 4:32 pm#184614

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2010,04:14)

Jerry………> If they don't really believe what is written then what can you do, you are right in discontinuing discussions on this.

Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene

Jerry/GB

Mt 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’”
Mt 4:11 Then the devil left him

March 24, 2010 at 7:12 pm#184631

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2010,04:14)

Jerry………> If they don't really believe what is written then what can you do, you are right in discontinuing discussions on this.

Peace and love to you and yours……………..gene

Thanks Gene, another example of terrariccas comment…

Mt 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’’”
Mt 4:11 Then the devil left him

If only one understands what Jesus said in Matt.15:24, that He was commissioned only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”. They would not mistake His words were to them only, and not for us.

Blessings.

March 24, 2010 at 10:21 pm#184651