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Quote (2besee @ Sep. 30 2013,11:18) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2013,21:42) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,05:29) Wakeup, you are a deceiver AND YOU KNOW IT.
2besee,A gentler rebuke might serve God better. For example the teachings you choose to hold to are false and you should know it. We are to slow to anger and in our anger we are not to sin. Lessons I too am learning.
Kerwin yes you're right.Wakeup, I apologize
Besee.We all get carried away sometimes.
I also have done the same.
Thanks.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,03:00) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,17:51) Wakeup, sorry. Did you not teach that to be born again of “water” is NOT water baptism?
Did you not say that being born again of water is being born from your mothers womb?
Besee.There is no such as born again of water,
this is an invention of religion with no understanding.
Born again can only be the second birth,and that is
when Mother zion gives birth to her children/the resurrection.
Then you will be spirit,for Mother zion is spirit.It is sown a natural body?flesh.
It is raised a spiritual body.
The natural first;and then the spiritual.Jesus was born of water and blood/his birth.
Meaning: he is truly flesh,not some hybrid.
He is like his brethren.
He feels pain and sorrow,and sad,and being abused.
and also hunger.He is the son of man/human.
He is full of the holy spirit;and yet he is not spirit
but flesh,and resurrected in a body so much better than the angels.wakeup.
Wakeup, isn't that Mormon or New Age, (Mother Zion). I've never heard of that. Where did you learn that.Being born again of water and spirit – is water baptism – followed eventually, if God chooses, by the Spirit. It's that simple.
Quote Besee.
We all get carried away sometimes.
I also have done the same.
Thanks.
wakeup.Thanks Wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 30 2013,11:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,03:00) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,17:51) Wakeup, sorry. Did you not teach that to be born again of “water” is NOT water baptism?
Did you not say that being born again of water is being born from your mothers womb?
Besee.There is no such as born again of water,
this is an invention of religion with no understanding.
Born again can only be the second birth,and that is
when Mother zion gives birth to her children/the resurrection.
Then you will be spirit,for Mother zion is spirit.It is sown a natural body?flesh.
It is raised a spiritual body.
The natural first;and then the spiritual.Jesus was born of water and blood/his birth.
Meaning: he is truly flesh,not some hybrid.
He is like his brethren.
He feels pain and sorrow,and sad,and being abused.
and also hunger.He is the son of man/human.
He is full of the holy spirit;and yet he is not spirit
but flesh,and resurrected in a body so much better than the angels.wakeup.
Wakeup, isn't that Mormon or New Age, (Mother Zion). I've never heard of that. Where did you learn that.Being born again of water and spirit – is water baptism – followed eventually, if God chooses, by the Spirit. It's that simple.
Besee.Zion is Gods Woman,
and the *daughter* of zion is Jesus woman,
he is going to marry her on his wedding day
spiritually speaking.She is our spiritual Mother, because
She will give birth to her children at the
resurrection.
She is also called the *Holy Jerusalem*
the *city of God* where all his people dwell.If we truly follow God's teachings and works,
we are in her belly, and when she is ready
to give birth; we will be born of her in the spirit.
At the resurrection.Satan also has his city; its called babylon the great
full of abominations.
People of the world dwell in her.
they are in her belly so to speak.
She is ready to be destroyed.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2013,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,04:46) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2013,04:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,02:26) was it not imperative that Christ showed himself as an resurrected man 
yes ;that was the visible prove of what he ad teach them that was to happen to the Christ ;and it was important to be seen as he was ,as they have known him ,agreed that he was raised as a spirit being ,that is why he became invisible
T,Jesus did not give evidence he was a spirit being, he gave evidence he was not a spirit.
so any man could appear in a locked room
T,Yes, if God chooses to allow us the super advanced technology it would take. God does not need that technology.
I have to disagree with you ;God does not do anything without reason ,and so far you have not produce a single reason why he would do that any man could go through walls ;this was not an ILLUSION,JUST AS CHRIST WALKED ON WATER ;NOT AN ILLUSION ,HIS ELEVATION TO HEAVEN NOT AN ILLUSION,FOR ALL CHRIST DID THERE IS A REASON ,IF DONE BY ANY OTHER MAN WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON
Quote (2besee @ Sep. 30 2013,06:27) Quote scriptures says flesh and blood can not go to
heaven ;nature will tell you thatTerraricca,
Nature ALSO tells us that flesh cannot be thrown into a fiery oven, and not be burnt.
However, with God, anything is possible.
So if God choose to change human flesh into a new resurrected type which is capable of things which we could not even imagine – being also imperishable.. then, we either believe it or we do not.
But I quoted you the reason for the protection,God does never do anything without reason,
Resurrection is not for spirit beings ,only for men,
For those that are called to heaven to be with Christ those will be changed ,
As for Christ he received ALL POWERS from his father ,on earth and in heaven,before he ascended to heaven ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,08:14) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2013,05:22) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,04:46) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2013,04:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,02:26) was it not imperative that Christ showed himself as an resurrected man yes ;that was the visible prove of what he ad teach them that was to happen to the Christ ;and it was important to be seen as he was ,as they have known him ,agreed that he was raised as a spirit being ,that is why he became invisible
T,Jesus did not give evidence he was a spirit being, he gave evidence he was not a spirit.
so any man could appear in a locked room
T,Yes, if God chooses to allow us the super advanced technology it would take. God does not need that technology.
I have to disagree with you ;God does not do anything without reason ,and so far you have not produce a single reason why he would do that any man could go through walls ;this was not an ILLUSION,JUST AS CHRIST WALKED ON WATER ;NOT AN ILLUSION ,HIS ELEVATION TO HEAVEN NOT AN ILLUSION,FOR ALL CHRIST DID THERE IS A REASON ,IF DONE BY ANY OTHER MAN WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON
T,I did not say it was an illusion. A wall and a human body are mostly empty space. It is the forces the bind the little parts together that prevent you going through. They are forces God controls. God may choose to give humanity the power to control those forces in this world but I see no problem with him giving Jesus such powers in any world, after all he walked on water and was thought to be a spirit for doing so.
His reason for walking on water was to catch up with his students so he could be with them. They also saw the power of God in action and bear witness of that to us and others. It seems similar to the reason why he might walk choose to walk though a wall, though I am not sure he did.
I am not sure he did because Jesus entered what could be thee same room while in disguise and accompanied by two disciples.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,02:26) was it not imperative that Christ showed himself as an resurrected man yes ;that was the visible prove of what he ad teach them that was to happen to the Christ ;and it was important to be seen as he was ,as they have known him ,agreed that he was raised as a spirit being ,that is why he became invisible
T,Jesus explicitly states that his resurrected body has flesh and blood which a spirit does not have.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,06:34) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 30 2013,11:18) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2013,21:42) Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,05:29) Wakeup, you are a deceiver AND YOU KNOW IT.
2besee,A gentler rebuke might serve God better. For example the teachings you choose to hold to are false and you should know it. We are to slow to anger and in our anger we are not to sin. Lessons I too am learning.
Kerwin yes you're right.Wakeup, I apologize
Besee.We all get carried away sometimes.
I also have done the same.
Thanks.wakeup.
Wakeup and 2besee, God's love endures forever.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 29 2013,15:51) 1) MANY WAYS; TRUE: BUT ONLY THE ONE WAY IS THE TRUTH. 2) John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of **this bread**, he shall live for ever:
and ****the bread that I will give is my flesh****,
which I will give for the life of the world.THE BREAD IS HIS FLESH; IS THE HOLY SPIRIT,
IS THE WORD OF GOD.3) John 16:14 **He shall glorify me**: for ****he shall receive of mine****, and shall shew it unto you.
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH SHALL GLORIFY JESUS.
HE SHALL RECEIVE *OF JESUS*.4) John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I,
that ****he shall take of mine****, and shall shew it unto you.THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES FROM JESUS.
THE *WORD OF GOD* IS FULL OF TRUTH.
Wakeup,1) There is one teaching of Christ but many ways to communicate that teaching; speech, writing, textural bumps, and hand signals are four ways I can think of.
2) The bread = flesh is symbolism as the bread is not literal. If we chose to take it literal then it would be his flesh comes from above. Instead we can hypothesize that the bread from above represents his flesh which represents the Spirit and that teaches the Word.
3) The Spirit takes Jesus' teachings and teaches them as the hypothesis above states. In doing so it glorifies Jesus.
4) The teachings of Jesus are God's and the Spirit takes them from God who is the source;even though Jesus has possession.
John 16:7
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 14:26
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jesus sends the Spirit as God is in him doing his works.
Note: The bold also works like the quote function, which Mike told you about earlier. Hit the bold type the word then his the bold again. The difference between the two tags is open tag just has a b in []'s while the close has a /b inside.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 30 2013,18:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 29 2013,15:51) 1) MANY WAYS; TRUE: BUT ONLY THE ONE WAY IS THE TRUTH. 2) John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of **this bread**, he shall live for ever:
and ****the bread that I will give is my flesh****,
which I will give for the life of the world.THE BREAD IS HIS FLESH; IS THE HOLY SPIRIT,
IS THE WORD OF GOD.3) John 16:14 **He shall glorify me**: for ****he shall receive of mine****, and shall shew it unto you.
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH SHALL GLORIFY JESUS.
HE SHALL RECEIVE *OF JESUS*.4) John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine:
therefore said I,
that ****he shall take of mine****, and shall shew it unto you.THE HOLY SPIRIT COMES FROM JESUS.
THE *WORD OF GOD* IS FULL OF TRUTH.
Wakeup,1) There is one teaching of Christ but many ways to communicate that teaching; speech, writing, textural bumps, and hand signals are four ways I can think of.
2) The bread = flesh is symbolism as the bread is not literal. If we chose to take it literal then it would be his flesh comes from above. Instead we can hypothesize that the bread from above represents his flesh which represents the Spirit and that teaches the Word.
3) The Spirit takes Jesus' teachings and teaches them as the hypothesis above states. In doing so it glorifies Jesus.
4) The teachings of Jesus are God's and the Spirit takes them from God who is the source;even though Jesus has possession.
John 16:7
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
John 14:26
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jesus sends the Spirit as God is in him doing his works.
Note: The bold also works like the quote function, which Mike told you about earlier. Hit the bold type the word then his the bold again. The difference between the two tags is open tag just has a b in []'s while the close has a /b inside.
Thank you Kerwin.[/B]and ****the bread that I will give is ****my flesh****,
which I will give for the life of the world..
This is the result,Iknow it's still not right,but I'll get
there.Thanks.Let me explain:
Re' the Word of God.The Word of God is spirit;
and Jesus/Word, now is also spirit.
In him is truth;the Word is truth.
The holy spirit is the spirit of truth,
also called the *comforter*.He/Jesus can send his flesh/Truth
to whom he chose.
His teachings are recorded in print.
and paper.Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.Jesus himself is feeding on the spirit of
God. He came out from inside God.
The Word came out of God.
Because in the beginning God brought him forth.Kerwin: There is no more flesh involved,re' Jesus.
The flesh was only for a time period.
Same with all of us in Christ.wakeup.
Quote Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.WITHOUT BELIEVING YOU HAVE NOTHING ,
AND I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD SEND HIS HOLY SPIRIT VIA EMAIL,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,23:58) Quote Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.WITHOUT BELIEVING YOU HAVE NOTHING ,
AND I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD SEND HIS HOLY SPIRIT VIA EMAIL,
That's a silly comment.wakeup.
Kerwin………Not only did Jesus walk on water but so did Peter, and both of them were flesh and blood beings. God shows Adam could lived forever had he eaten from the tree of life . Also the three that were cast into the fiery furnace, were flesh and blood human beings and they were not burned. All things are possible with God. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,20:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,23:58) Quote Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.WITHOUT BELIEVING YOU HAVE NOTHING ,
AND I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD SEND HIS HOLY SPIRIT VIA EMAIL,
That's a silly comment.wakeup.
i don't think so ;if you compare your statement to it ;Quote Anyone finding the truth will glorify him the written word his the truth so says Christ ,BUT NOT ALL BELIEVE IT ;MANY HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A COPY OF GOD'S WORD BUT DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT ,OR ONLY SOME OF THE THINGS,OR ONLY BY INTERPRETATION LIKE YOU DO ,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2013,20:52) Kerwin………Not only did Jesus walk on water but so did Peter, and both of them were flesh and blood beings. God shows Adam could lived forever had he eaten from the tree of life . Also the three that were cast into the fiery furnace, were flesh and blood human beings and they were not furred. All things are ossicle with God. IMO Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,Yes.
FYI: You might want to correct the spelling of possible.
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,05:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,20:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,23:58) Quote Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.WITHOUT BELIEVING YOU HAVE NOTHING ,
AND I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD SEND HIS HOLY SPIRIT VIA EMAIL,
That's a silly comment.wakeup.
i don't think so ;if you compare your statement to it ;Quote Anyone finding the truth will glorify him the written word his the truth so says Christ ,BUT NOT ALL BELIEVE IT ;MANY HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A COPY OF GOD'S WORD BUT DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT ,OR ONLY SOME OF THE THINGS,OR ONLY BY INTERPRETATION LIKE YOU DO ,
Terra.Read it again:
***Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word***
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone ***finding the truth*** will glorify him.NOT ANYONE FINDS THE TRUTH.
ONLY WHEN GIVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 01 2013,03:08) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 01 2013,05:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,20:15) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 30 2013,23:58) Quote Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone finding the truth will glorify him.WITHOUT BELIEVING YOU HAVE NOTHING ,
AND I DO NOT THINK HE WOULD SEND HIS HOLY SPIRIT VIA EMAIL,
That's a silly comment.wakeup.
i don't think so ;if you compare your statement to it ;Quote Anyone finding the truth will glorify him the written word his the truth so says Christ ,BUT NOT ALL BELIEVE IT ;MANY HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A COPY OF GOD'S WORD BUT DO NOT BELIEVE IN IT ,OR ONLY SOME OF THE THINGS,OR ONLY BY INTERPRETATION LIKE YOU DO ,
Terra.Read it again:
***Anyone seeking/feeding on God's Word***
Which is Jesus/spirit.
Jesus will send him his spirit of truth.
His flesh is the Word of God,
which is spirit.The truth will glorify him.
Anyone ***finding the truth*** will glorify him.NOT ANYONE FINDS THE TRUTH.
ONLY WHEN GIVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT.wakeup.
wupyou must trust God ,and believe in him ,by doing so you will believe in the one he as send down from heaven to save us ,
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