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Nick,
You are sounding like a child of Satan.
The truth is found wherever it is. It cries out on the streets and in other places and you can hear it if you learn to discern it. I can find the truth in half truth because they have their is truth in half truths which is why they called half truths.
You should know those that seek the truth will find wherever it is.
Nick…… FIRST of all you again are misrepresnting me, what i said is, a parable, is a “fictious” “illistration”, let me be more clear just for you ok, a “parable” is a “fictious” story to “illustrate” a “true” principle about something. The story “ITSELF” can not be taken as literal. It must be properly decerned. Now is that clear enough for you? I am not saying the principle it illustrates is fictious OR UNTRUE.
Your accusitory spirit seem quite anxious to express itself brother, At times. But then again iron does sharpen iron. And we are to have salt in our selves, but ALSO MAINTAIN peace, AS JESUS TOLD US.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Nick……Here you go, Eze 37:13-14, that should clarify it for you.
peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Hi GB,
You take on yourself to explain the meaning of scripture?
Scripture does that and does not need your help.
Nick,
You mine for treasure away from the lode?
You must not read if you do not know the lode is in the streets as well as other places. After all we are told the wisdom cries in the street. (Proverbs 1:20)
And claim the ability to discern what is of value??
If you do not have the ability to discern what is of value then you cannot be led to the truth. So if you do not have then seek it.
God granted me a portion of wisdom.
It does not take much to know that a teaching of Sheol present among the Jews and a parable that is based on that place are related. When both speak of the place the righteous go being at Abraham’s bosom and one calls it Paradise then when the other speaks of going to Paradise that day and they were planning to die that they were speaking of going where the righteous dead await Judgement Day.
I am more curious why something that obvious is not taught among the churches. It is like people are either anti-Jewish or they just do not care and prefer to breath out the dreams of their own head.
Gene is an example as the bottom line is he is accusing Jesus of heresy. Why does he think Jesus would give legitimacy to false teaching by using it in a parable. His viewpoint is nonsense. Do you also desire to embrace nonsense. Does giving up your own misconceptions grief you that much? I was where Gene is now and I moved on to acceptance when my doctrine did not hold up to testing.
Nick,
Why do you care?
Are you not concerned about yourself?
Do what Scripture states and “get wisdom”.
If you had it you would be relevant points as it is all I here is vain mumblings with glimpses of understanding.
Stop attacking the messenger and start addressing the message.
Nick,
You have not pointed out any flaws in my statements for me to stand by.
If you are speaking of the red hearing about wisdom then either believe God gives wisdom or you do not, you either believe wisdom can may be found in the street or not.
As for me having wisdom, test what I say.
The real topic is Sheol and my point that Jesus was legitimizing a Jewish teaching. It also whether the side of Hades the righteous go is called Paradise and the side the wicked go is called Tartarus.
The rest either an attack on my creditability or/and a red herring.
Hi KW,
You regard other sources as equal in validity.
That is your choice.
But does it not devalue the word of God?
Can you show us what you claim is written in the jewish teachings?
Nick,
Your words are presumptuous. I did not say I regarded sources as equal. If you paid attention to my words then you would know I do and so would not make an accusation that is false.
For your own reasons you do not like what I said but you also cannot disprove it. So you deny it. Your reason may because you are grieving for some cherished idea that is endangered by my words.
Kerwin……HERE is a simple one you also have wrong ,besides ignoring the scripture i posted to support my point as NICK DID. You say, JESUS said to the thief he would be with him in paradise “That” day, That is a complete false understanding of that scripture “O” wise one, what JESUS ACTUALLY SAID is this , “I TELLING YOU THIS DAY or TODAY I AM TELLING YOU, YOU “SHALL” BE WITH ME IN PARADISE”. JESUS DID NOT GO TO PARADISE THAT DAY, HE WENT TO THE GRAVE AND SO DID THAT THIEF. He was simply telling him “that day”, that the thief would be with him in paradise, “in the future”, another words, after the thief was resurected “in the future”, he was not telling it would happen “THAT VERY DAY”. THE SPIRIT SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT. There is not a single scripture that says JESUS WENT TO ANY PARADISE THE DAY HE DIED, his body want to the grave, the spirit returned to GOD WHO GAVE IT. Same happened to the theft that day And everyone else Who dies.
Your caught up in a “mysterious” idea about what happens when a person dies, trying to use, the parable of the rich man and poor man to justify you false teachings is leading you to one false assumption to another. THAT PARABLE IS SPEAKING ABOUT AFTER THE RESURECTION NOT BEFORE IT. And the word BOSOM means in scripture next to, not a place of paradise.
kerwin if you were in the place i am in you should have stayed there instead of drifiting off to all kind of false understandings. When clear scriptures say clearly, ” THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING IN THE DAY HE DIES HIS THOUGHTS “PARISH”, THAT CLEARLY MEANS HE IS NO LONGER THINKING, and you just blow by those scriptures as if they are not even in you bible, who is the one making the word of GOD A LIE.
And by the way, parables were not give to make things clear, they were give to the unbelievers, to obscure truth, for them that have eyes to see but don’t see, and them that have ears to hear but don’t hear, or haven’t you read that? That is why Jesus had to explain the parables later to his deciples, they also were dule of hearing and seeing, before they recieved the spirit of truth into them.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
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