Both Jesus and John the baptist not preexistent

[kerwin]

Barley,

Philippians 2:15 was a good scripture to answer the question about the light coming into the world. The Holy Spirit is the light within us that makes us a light unto the world.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,12:47)

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2010,01:15) Pierre, It sounds like the holy spirit in that those who live by it do not sin, i.e. gratify the desires of the world, Galatians 5:16; and its fruit are acts of righteousness, Galatians 5:22-23. kerwin would this mean that those who apply themself to fallow and practice what Christ and his diciples teachings do live according to God ans Christ spirit ,and so produce the fruits of that spirit ,??? Pierre

You are correct.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 14 2010,14:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,12:47) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2010,01:15) Pierre, It sounds like the holy spirit in that those who live by it do not sin, i.e. gratify the desires of the world, Galatians 5:16; and its fruit are acts of righteousness, Galatians 5:22-23. kerwin would this mean that those who apply themself to fallow and practice what Christ and his diciples teachings do live according to God ans Christ spirit ,and so produce the fruits of that spirit ,??? Pierre You are correct.

Kerwin

you are in agreement with me on this ,so i will bring it one step further ,would it be that because the ones who are doing and applying the teaching of Christ ,so that they produce the fruits of those words that were teached by Christ ,but we know that the words Christ spook was not his words but the words of his father ,right?
and because of it, the ones doing just that would acquired the spirit of those words spooken by the son of God right?
and we could say that they are guided by that spirit that is now in them,right?but we know that that spirit is the spirit of truth,right?
but we also know that the truth of God only comes trough the holy spirit,right?

and so it is true that we can say that those men are guided by the holy spirit ,right?

so we always should reach to be as holy as possible ,right?

Pierre

[kerwin]

Pierre,

I believe we can stop sinning because when we walk by the spirit it is God that does his works through us and we have surrendered our will to his. So when you say “so we always should reach to be as holy as possible”, it I God not us striving to be holy in our flesh and all things are possible with him. This is done by the spirit writing God’s law both in our hearts and in our minds. When that writing is finished we will be fully trained in righteousness and so mature in Christ. As God shapes us we will more and more act according to his will until we behave in complete conformance.

So other than the differences stated above I agree with you.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 14 2010,19:30)

Pierre, I believe we can stop sinning because when we walk by the spirit it is God that does his works through us and we have surrendered our will to his. So when you say “so we always should reach to be as holy as possible”, it I God not us striving to be holy in our flesh and all things are possible with him.  This is done by the spirit writing God’s law both in our hearts and in our minds.  When that writing is finished we will be fully trained in righteousness and so mature in Christ. As God shapes us we will more and more act according to his will until we behave in complete conformance. So other than the differences stated above I agree with you.

Kerwin

you say it is God not us,right,

how is it that i would say it not be so??

the words is not ours
we only planting in our hearths and to move ahead to holiness we have to water our self with the word of God not ours, and so God can make us grow,and in time produce fruit.
just young threes do not give fruit in there first few years.

we have to grow in truth.

Pierre

[kerwin]

Pierre,

I have some trouble understanding your English use but it sounds like we agree.

[terraricca]

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Pierre, I have some trouble understanding your English use but it sound like we agree.

kerwin

do not worry i do not understand my own English.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (barley @ Nov. 14 2010,04:22)

[  Your ability to divert people's attention from the true meaning of those scriptures is most remarkable.   barley

barely………Thank God you can see that to, Terricca is a master at diversion and twisting what is being said. He cause more confusion and obscurity of things being posted and said here by far then anyone else i have every seen here, and i have been here for about five years or better.

peace and love to you and your………………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 14 2010,07:50)

Barley, Philippians 2:15 was a good scripture to answer the question about the light coming into the world. The Holy Spirit is the light within us that makes us a light unto the world.

Kerwin………Preexistences alway want to try to (SEPARATE) Jesus from our Identity with Him , so they quote scriptures that show Jesus as the Light of the World and Present him as the (ONLY) Light of the World and down play his words saying We are also light of the word. I am glad barely brought that out, i was thinking about posting that also.

What is obvious to those who have the Spirit of Truth in them is that Preexistences are alway trying to Separate Jesus” Identity with Man Kind and move him to another place in the plan and purpose of GOD. They continue try to create this rift between Us and Him, making him the object of there adoration and worship, they do not even understand that while they do that they are also moving God the Father out of the picture and as the center of our focus, as he was for Jesus. This (SEPARATIST) teaching is exactly what John was talking about as the Spirit (Intellect) of Antichrist, that has infected now the whole of Christendom.

peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 15 2010,10:48)

Quote (barley @ Nov. 14 2010,04:22) [  Your ability to divert people's attention from the true meaning of those scriptures is most remarkable.   barley barely………Thank God you can see that to, Terricca is a master at diversion and twisting what is being said. He cause more confusion and obscurity of things being posted and said here by far then anyone else i have every seen here, and i have been here for about five years or better. peace and love to you and your………………….gene

gene

you can keep going your way it seems you have not improved in those five years or so,

who can make you see your blindness exept Christ,so keep waiting for it,

wen you are ready to see, Christ will open your eyes.

Pierre

[kerwin]

Gene,

Then perhaps it is time to address more basic parts of the gospel that answer the question of why it is important to believe Jesus is a human being even though of the new creation.

The necessity to believe that Jesus was tempted as we are but without sin is one starting point.

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