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Quote Jesus was the “first born again from a spiritual death could elaborate on this
I am confused wen you say that Christ was ever SPIRITUALLY DEAD , BECAUSE HE NEVER WAS ,when Paul talks in Ephe;2 he was not refering to Christ but to the gentiles and Jews ,in my understanding of your quote it seems to me you place Christ the son of God equaly to all of us ,and that can not be ,because he never sin ,so he never needed to be born again ,he was the one that teach his disciples and made them to be born again by their complete faith in him,
we know Christ was separated for a few moments wen he died from the father and so was resurrected by his father ;and as a metaphore i can understand “spiritualy dead = separation, but this still foggy
Mike
Quote I don't even know what Pierre is trying to tell me with his scriptures what I try to show you is that is to be born again is not being resurrected from the dead to life ,the resurrection to everlasting life in heaven or on earth is the promise of the faith,
being born again is the means to collect everlasting life ,
sinning means not living according to God righteousness ,but we do not know God righteousness ,so Christ came and show us the way to aquired it ,it is by having faith in him and his father our comon God ,and wen we obey and do what is ask from us that we produce the fruits of that faith we have in him and that is how we become BORN AGAIN because we no longer SIN,
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 24 2012,10:00) Hi wakeup: I do not believe that all generations who have died will be resurrected to be judged.
The scripture states that:
Quote Rom 5:12 ¶ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Adam and Eve's judgement for disobeying God was:
Quote Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return
Those who lived during this period of time until the flood shared this same judgement. During this period of time, Enoch repented and walked with God, and was saved, and possibly Abel was in right standing with God when he was murdered by Cain. Noah and his family were saved from the judgement by the flood by the Arc. Those who were judged by the flood have been destroyed.
Those who obeyed God under the Law of Moses will be born again from the dead when Jesus comes for the church. They are part of the body of Christ. The blood of Jesus will wash away their sins.
There were those who were judged by the Law and were destroyed. My understanding is that those who are not saved under the Law of Moses have already been judged. They will not be resurrected to be judged.
Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Pharoah and his army were judged by God and destroyed when they pursued the children of Israel into the Red Sea.
But from the time of Jesus ministry until he comes for the church, the gospel is to be preached to every creature. Those who have died in their sins during this period of time, will be raised from the dead in the second resurrection to be judged according to their works. Thos who are alive and in their sins when the Lord comes for the church will be judged and destroyed by the seven last plagues.
Jesus said this relative to judgement:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Jhn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day
Quote Luk 12:43 Blessed [is] that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Quote Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.quote:
I do not believe that all generations who have died will be resurrected to be judged.unquote.1.WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM,WILL THEY JUST BE FORGOTTEN, AND LEFT IN TH
E GRAVE?(where is righteous judgement)? (all men will be judged).2. THEY DIED NEVER KNOWING MOSES,NOR ABRAHAM OR JESUS. And they will just be dismissed, and just pretend they never existed? NO. they also will be judged,in the second resurrection.
quote:
Pharoah and his army were judged by God and destroyed when they pursued the children of Israel into the Red Sea.
unquote:SORRY,BUT THEIR DEATH WAS *NOT* THE JUDGEMENT.
EVERY CHRISTIAN OR NOT, THAT DIED IN AN ACCIDENT WILL STILL BE JUDGED IN THE FIRST, OR SECOND RESURRECTION,AND SO WILL BE THE DEAD PHARAOH,AND HIS ARMIES. THEIR PLACE IS IN THE SECOND RESURRECTION.
quote:
But from the time of Jesus ministry until he comes for the church, the gospel is to be preached to every creature. Those who have died in their sins during this period of time, will be raised from the dead in the second resurrection, to be judged according to their works. unquote:I AGREE UP TO A POINT: NOT FROM JESUS TIME: BUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF MANKIND,THEIR PLACE IS IN THE SECOND RESURRECTION,JUDGEMENT OF THE THE SHEEP *AND* THE GOATS.(rev11:15).
quote:
Those who are alive and in their sins when the Lord comes for the church will be judged and destroyed by the seven last plagues. unquote:I DONT AGREE WITH THIS PART: THE TRUMPETS IS NOT THE JUDGEMENT. IT IS THE WRATH OF GOD.(punishment).(the judgements will be done in the 1st, and 2nd, resurrection).
THE SEVEN TRUMPETS WILL BE BEFORE THE COMING,AND THE COMING WILL BE AT THE LAST TRUMP,THE 7TH TRUMPET.(rev11:15).
THOSE ALSO WILL BE JUDGED IN THE 2ND RESURRECTION.
ALL WHO ARE NOT RESURRECTED IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION, WILL BE RESURRECTED IN THE SECOND RESURRECTION.
THERE ARE ONLY 2 RESURRECTIONS.
1. THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
2. THE SECOND RESURRECTION.
3. THE TRUMPETS AND ARMAGEDDON IS THE PUNISHMENT; THE WRATH OF GOD.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2012,13:56) This is not the resurection;but the bringing back to life.
Like I've just posted from Dictionary.com, “resurrect” actually MEANS “bring back to life”.I do realize the difference between Jesus resurrecting Lazarus, and the “MAIN” resurrection of all dead which will someday come to happen.
But the words mean the same thing.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2012,13:56) A spirit body is the reward of the saints only,so the bad in the 2nd resurrection will not be given a spirit body,but flesh.
Perhaps, but there is no scriptural support for this claim.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,00:48) what I try to show you is that is to be born again is not being resurrected from the dead to life ,the resurrection to everlasting life in heaven or on earth is the promise of the faith, being born again is the means to collect everlasting life ,
I disagree with you and Marty on this subject. You take Jesus' words in John 3 to refer to a METAPHORICAL “rebirth” – one that people can undergo while still living on earth as human beings.I don't understand it that way. I understand Jesus to be speaking LITERALLY about the “MAIN” resurrection, which is to come.
I didn't see how any of the scriptures you quoted support your metaphorical understanding.
Perhaps it would help if you were to quote only ONE scripture or passage at a time, complete with your own comments about why you think that particular scripture or passage supports your understanding.
peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,22:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,00:48) what I try to show you is that is to be born again is not being resurrected from the dead to life ,the resurrection to everlasting life in heaven or on earth is the promise of the faith, being born again is the means to collect everlasting life ,
I disagree with you and Marty on this subject. You take Jesus' words in John 3 to refer to a METAPHORICAL “rebirth” – one that people can undergo while still living on earth as human beings.I don't understand it that way. I understand Jesus to be speaking LITERALLY about the “MAIN” resurrection, which is to come.
I didn't see how any of the scriptures you quoted support your metaphorical understanding.
Perhaps it would help if you were to quote only ONE scripture or passage at a time, complete with your own comments about why you think that particular scripture or passage supports your understanding.
peace,
mike
Mikewell then you answer my questions ;
1) how can some one receive the resurrection to everlasting life in heaven and on earth
2) why did it took 3.5 years to Christ for teaching his disciples
and what was that teaching any way
3) what was the requirement to follow Christ ,??? if we wanted to benefit from his dead
1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God.
2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,???so our faith means nothing ,
so truth does not mean anything either ,
born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days,
born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed
resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith ,
all of this can not be separated
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:32) your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right
I suppose if you read my answer to #3, you wouldn't be asking me this question.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,03:49) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2012,13:56) A spirit body is the reward of the saints only,so the bad in the 2nd resurrection will not be given a spirit body,but flesh.
Perhaps, but there is no scriptural support for this claim.
Mike B.The sriptures are not specific regarding the resurrection.
So we Just have to look at Jesus,how he was given a glorified body.A glorified body(spirit body) is the reward of the saints,it is not for everybody.
God spoke of *bringing back* israel in Ezekiel 37,
and jeremiah 31.Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.(KILLED BY HEROD).
(ABOUT 200 CHILDREN).Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be REWARDED, saith the LORD; and they SHALL COME AGAIN from the land of the enemy.(THE GRAVE).
Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine END, saith the LORD, that thy children *SHALL COME AGAIN*, to their own border.(ISRAEL).
Ramah,the city of ephra'im'the children of Rachel, Jacobs wife; they were killed by king Herod,will be brought back in israel. In the 1000yr reign. in the flesh.
We can conclude that there are two kinds of resurrections.
1.In spirit.
2.In the flesh.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,00:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:32) your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right
I suppose if you read my answer to #3, you wouldn't be asking me this question.
you mean this ; (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,???so our faith means nothing ,
so truth does not mean anything either ,
born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days,
born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed
resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith ,
all of this can not be separated
Terra.How can you be so confused?
Why make it so hard for yourself.1.JESUS; WAS BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD.
This means he came as a human.(first time born).2. JESUS WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN *IN HIS MIND*,
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS LOVED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.THERE WAS NOT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT LOVE GOD.BEFORE HE WAS BABTISED HE LOVED GOD.
3.HE WAS ONLY BORN AGAIN PHYSICALLY,WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED.(this is the second time born).
This means he was born of water, AND born of the spirit.
1x+1x=2x. NO MORE THAN 2TIMES.BORN AND BORN AGAIN. THAT MAKES IT BORN TWICE,ONLY.
WE ALSO; THE SAME: BORN OF WATER,AND BORN OF THE SPIRIT;AT THE COMING. PHYSICALLY.
The idea that we will be born 3x is not correct.
The idea that we are born out of mother; and then born AGAIN when we are baptised; and then born AGAIN when we are resurrected is false.The word AGAIN meaning TWICE, not 3x.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.MEANS 3X,AGAIN: this is false.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,00:07) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,???so our faith means nothing ,
so truth does not mean anything either ,
born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days,
born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed
resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith ,
all of this can not be separated
Terra.How can you be so confused?
Why make it so hard for yourself.1.JESUS; WAS BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD.
This means he came as a human.(first time born).2. JESUS WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN *IN HIS MIND*,
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS LOVED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.THERE WAS NOT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT LOVE GOD.BEFORE HE WAS BABTISED HE LOVED GOD.
3.HE WAS ONLY BORN AGAIN PHYSICALLY,WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED.(this is the second time born).
This means he was born of water, AND born of the spirit.
1x+1x=2x. NO MORE THAN 2TIMES.BORN AND BORN AGAIN. THAT MAKES IT BORN TWICE,ONLY.
WE ALSO; THE SAME: BORN OF WATER,AND BORN OF THE SPIRIT;AT THE COMING. PHYSICALLY.
The idea that we will be born 3x is not correct.
The idea that we are born out of mother; and then born AGAIN when we are baptised; and then born AGAIN when we are resurrected is false.The word AGAIN meaning TWICE, not 3x.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.MEANS 3X,AGAIN: this is false.
wakeup.
Exactly!!And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!!
So they get born, born again accepting Christ, fall away, get born again-again and then die and are resurrected only to find themselves born again-again & again!!
Gee!!
What a wobbly wall that doctrine is.We are only born again ONCE.
This level of math is primary school stuff!!
1+1=2
Born + born again (resurrected) =2
Not 3 , 4 , or 5 times!!Too many messed up & apostate ear tickling feel good doctrines have come out of England & America…especially America…WHY do people still listen to these charlatans?
This doctrine is one of those feel good put you to sleep and condemn your soul to complacency in the process kind of doctrines!!
“Don't worry, you're born again, you're never gonna die!!(Vomit, retch)
LIE.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,15:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,00:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:32) your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right
I suppose if you read my answer to #3, you wouldn't be asking me this question.
you mean this ; (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
Nope. I mean this: 3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings.Doesn't that address your concern that “nothing has to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do “ ?
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,02:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,00:07) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,???so our faith means nothing ,
so truth does not mean anything either ,
born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days,
born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed
resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith ,
all of this can not be separated
Terra.How can you be so confused?
Why make it so hard for yourself.1.JESUS; WAS BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD.
This means he came as a human.(first time born).2. JESUS WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN *IN HIS MIND*,
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS LOVED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.THERE WAS NOT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT LOVE GOD.BEFORE HE WAS BABTISED HE LOVED GOD.
3.HE WAS ONLY BORN AGAIN PHYSICALLY,WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED.(this is the second time born).
This means he was born of water, AND born of the spirit.
1x+1x=2x. NO MORE THAN 2TIMES.BORN AND BORN AGAIN. THAT MAKES IT BORN TWICE,ONLY.
WE ALSO; THE SAME: BORN OF WATER,AND BORN OF THE SPIRIT;AT THE COMING. PHYSICALLY.
The idea that we will be born 3x is not correct.
The idea that we are born out of mother; and then born AGAIN when we are baptised; and then born AGAIN when we are resurrected is false.The word AGAIN meaning TWICE, not 3x.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.MEANS 3X,AGAIN: this is false.
wakeup.
Exactly!!And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!!
So they get born, born again accepting Christ, fall away, get born again-again and then die and are resurrected only to find themselves born again-again & again!!
Gee!!
What a wobbly wall that doctrine is.We are only born again ONCE.
This level of math is primary school stuff!!
1+1=2
Born + born again (resurrected) =2
Not 3 , 4 , or 5 times!!Too many messed up & apostate ear tickling feel good doctrines have come out of England & America…especially America…WHY do people still listen to these charlatans?
This doctrine is one of those feel good put you to sleep and condemn your soul to complacency in the process kind of doctrines!!
“Don't worry, you're born again, you're never gonna die!!(Vomit, retch)
LIE.
Their leaders are like car salesmen.
“Buy this car and nothing will ever go wrong again. You will never breakdown.”
“This ones the best”
“We will even throw in all the nice trimmings and goodies for you”
“Whatever you want, the dealer will give you….. All yours for only $$$ per week till the day you die.”“You were purchased for a price”
“and that price must be paid back to us”Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2012,02:57) Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 26 2012,02:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,00:07) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2012,05:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2012,23:26) 1. By being raised at that last day AND being judged favorably, thereby being able to enter the Kingdom of God. 2. What does that have to do with this subject? If YOU think it pertains to this subject, then just say what is on your mind.
3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings. (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right ,???so our faith means nothing ,
so truth does not mean anything either ,
born of water = knowledge of the son of God that as been reveal in the last days,
born of the spirit = apply the knowledge of the faith in whom we have believed
resurrecting into the approve ones = receiving the promise of our true faith ,
all of this can not be separated
Terra.How can you be so confused?
Why make it so hard for yourself.1.JESUS; WAS BORN OF WATER AND BLOOD.
This means he came as a human.(first time born).2. JESUS WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN *IN HIS MIND*,
BECAUSE HE ALWAYS LOVED GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.THERE WAS NOT A TIME WHEN HE DID NOT LOVE GOD.BEFORE HE WAS BABTISED HE LOVED GOD.
3.HE WAS ONLY BORN AGAIN PHYSICALLY,WHEN HE WAS RESURRECTED.(this is the second time born).
This means he was born of water, AND born of the spirit.
1x+1x=2x. NO MORE THAN 2TIMES.BORN AND BORN AGAIN. THAT MAKES IT BORN TWICE,ONLY.
WE ALSO; THE SAME: BORN OF WATER,AND BORN OF THE SPIRIT;AT THE COMING. PHYSICALLY.
The idea that we will be born 3x is not correct.
The idea that we are born out of mother; and then born AGAIN when we are baptised; and then born AGAIN when we are resurrected is false.The word AGAIN meaning TWICE, not 3x.
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.MEANS 3X,AGAIN: this is false.
wakeup.
Exactly!!And what about those born againers who FALL AWAY…and then become BORN AGAIN…again!!
So they get born, born again accepting Christ, fall away, get born again-again and then die and are resurrected only to find themselves born again-again & again!!
Gee!!
What a wobbly wall that doctrine is.We are only born again ONCE.
This level of math is primary school stuff!!
1+1=2
Born + born again (resurrected) =2
Not 3 , 4 , or 5 times!!Too many messed up & apostate ear tickling feel good doctrines have come out of England & America…especially America…WHY do people still listen to these charlatans?
This doctrine is one of those feel good put you to sleep and condemn your soul to complacency in the process kind of doctrines!!
“Don't worry, you're born again, you're never gonna die!!(Vomit, retch)
LIE.
Their leaders are like car salesmen.
“Buy this car and nothing will ever go wrong again. You will never breakdown.”
“This ones the best”
“We will even throw in all the nice trimmings and goodies for you”
“Whatever you want, the dealer will give you….. All yours for only $$$ per week till the day you die.”“You were purchased for a price”
“and that price must be paid back to us”
Agreed J,“Beware lest they make merchandise out of you”.
Gee, even spreading one of their Interpretations (born again) is promoting their corporations with their glossy pamphlets, books, DVDs etc…willingly making themselves or ignorantly making oneself into just another religions commodity ripe for exploitation…good old word of mouth…just like merchandise, and born again one of the biggest scams perpetrated by those hyped up gold chain wearing, Rolex sporting, in your face holier than thou types always screaming “go on, give me a hallelujah” types with their plastic suits, and their plastic looks, and their polished teeth and immaculate hair…so worldly that lot…so worldly.
Oh, and always saying give us your tithes!!
Me me me me me.
Not forgetting all their adulteries & scams & freemasonry & riches & spiritualist influences & occult practises (numerology) etc etc et .Give me a Panadol!!
Quote (Devolution @ Dec. 25 2012,11:08) ……those hyped up gold chain wearing, Rolex sporting, in your face holier than thou types always screaming “go on, give me a hallelujah” types with their plastic suits, and their plastic looks, and their polished teeth and immaculate hair………….. 
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,21:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,15:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 25 2012,00:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2012,12:32) your answer to #1 means that nothing as to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do right
I suppose if you read my answer to #3, you wouldn't be asking me this question.
you mean this ; (Again, what does that have to do with this subject?)
Nope. I mean this: 3. Believe in the name of the one God sent, and follow his teachings.Doesn't that address your concern that “nothing has to be done and that it is God that judges us to be approved or not no matter what we do “ ?
did you believe that I beleive thatI told you that to you ,to make you understand that the resurrection his NOT being born again but the promise,but to obtain the promise we have to believe in Christ the only son of God and by believing in him and obey him ,we become BORN AGAIN OF THE WILL OF GOD ,BECAUSE IT IS THE WILL OF GOD TO SAVE US ALL ,
read this ;
LK 15:8 “Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it?
LK 15:9 “When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’
LK 15:10 “In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”UNDERSTAND THE NEXT ;
LK 15:11 And He said, “A man had two sons.
LK 15:12 “The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them.
LK 15:13 “And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living.
LK 15:14 “Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished.
LK 15:15 “So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
LK 15:16 “And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him.
LK 15:17 “But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger!
LK 15:18 ‘I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight;
LK 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.”’
LK 15:20 “So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.
LK 15:21 “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
LK 15:22 “But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet;
LK 15:23 and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate;
LK 15:24 for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate.
LK 15:25 “Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing.
LK 15:26 “And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be.
LK 15:27 “And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.’
LK 15:28 “But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him.
LK 15:29 “But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends;
LK 15:30 but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’
LK 15:31 “And he said to him, ‘Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours.
LK 15:32 ‘But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found.’ ”
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