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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,03:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,02:49) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,02:35) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,02:12) (Wakeup's version of Matt.23:13) You're neglecting your future opportunity and also
preventing others from having their future opportunity to qualify for the resurrection.Now is that what you are really getting from this:
FOR YE NEITHER GO IN YOURSELVES, NEITHER SUFFER YE THEM THAT ARE ENTERING TO GO IN.
So you agree with my summation (of your interpretation of Matt.23:13) then right?
EdJ.(1) Why do you have to repeat that,since your interpretation is otherwise.I agree with my summation.
(2) You dont believe that teaching the wrong doctrine CAN prevent one to enter the kingdom. So you dont agree,with my summation.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,1) So is that a “Yes” then?
(summation of Matt.23:13)2) I never said I disagreed with that?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.I agree with my summation.
Do you agree then?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, with what?
(Wakeup's version of Matt.23:13) You're neglecting your future opportunity and also
preventing others from having their future opportunity to qualify for the resurrection. …”No!”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:26) Hi Wakeup, with what? (Wakeup's version of Matt.23:13) You're neglecting your future opportunity and also
preventing others from having their future opportunity to qualify for the resurrection. …”No!”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Edj.Have you not finished?
The scribes and pharisees are not going to enter his rest,and also preventing others to enter.
YES. I agree.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:44) Hi Wakeup, No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Was Paul in his spirit body when he entered the kingdom?
Because flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,05:51) What? I don't understand the question, or what it relates to.
mikeyes all is related to the teachings either of the law it self or to the understanding of it ,right
and so how could it be interpreted by you that Joh 3-5 is literal,
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Math 23;13;You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
so would not the words of Christ “”born again “” mean to be re educated in the truth ,
just like Paul was wen he was send to ,Ac 9:6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
Ac 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus.
Ac 9:20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.we do not work in the flesh but in the spirit of truth ,the rebirth as to be in spirit not in the flesh ,
everlasting life his the promise to whomever believes in the son of God ,
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,04:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:44) Hi Wakeup, No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Was Paul in his spirit body when he entered the kingdom?
Because flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.wakeup.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:38) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,04:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:44) Hi Wakeup, No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Was Paul in his spirit body when he entered the kingdom?
Because flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.wakeup.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink” does not
mean that you cannot be birthed into it while in the flesh.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,13:38) But ye are not in the flesh…………………
Ed,Was Paul writing these words to people who WERE still in their flesh bodies? Or did he write these words to SPIRIT BEINGS who were dwelling on earth without one ounce of flesh?
Which one, please?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:38) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,04:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:44) Hi Wakeup, No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Was Paul in his spirit body when he entered the kingdom?
Because flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.wakeup.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink” does not
mean that you cannot be birthed into it while in the flesh.
Edj.Let me explain those scripture to you.
It means that the kingdom of God is not about mens traditions and celebrations,or what you eat and drink.
BUT ABOUT DOING THE WILL OF GOD AND FOLLOW HIS WORD.(the Holy bible),not some other.Peter,James and John was *SHOWN* just a glimps of the kingdom; IN THE TRANSFIGURATION OF JESUS.
But to enter in ; NO.
One must have a glorified body to ENTER IN.
This corrupt flesh can not in anyway enter.If you have the Holy spirit; you can see the kingdom with your understanding. You can see the big picture,in Cinema Scope.But not enter, untill the change.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,01:41) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:38) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,04:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,04:44) Hi Wakeup, No I don't agree; Shaool (the Apostle Paul) was a Pharisee.
He was “Born Again” having received the “HolySpirit”.
So he did in fact enter the “kingdom of God”. ……………….. (ref. Rom.14:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.Was Paul in his spirit body when he entered the kingdom?
Because flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom of God.wakeup.
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink” does not
mean that you cannot be birthed into it while in the flesh.
edjRo 14:15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
Ro 14:16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
Ro 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
Ro 14:18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
Ro 14:19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Ro 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
Ro 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.Paul definitely talks to men in the flesh ,but so that they should stop to live for the flesh and so should understand that the KINGDOM OF GOD HIS ABOUT THE SPIRIT ,
MEANS ” THE RULE OF LOVE “” THIS IS WHAT MAKE US BEING REBORN AND WHORTY TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD AFTER WE ARE DEAD ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2013,10:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,13:38) But ye are not in the flesh…………………
Ed,Was Paul writing these words to people who WERE still in their flesh bodies? Or did he write these words to SPIRIT BEINGS who were dwelling on earth without one ounce of flesh?
Which one, please?
Paul was writing those words to people who were still in their flesh bodies.Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,11:07) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:41)
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.“The kingdom of God is not meat and drink” does not
mean that you cannot be birthed into it while in the flesh.
Edj.Let me explain those scripture to you.
It means that the kingdom of God is not about mens traditions and celebrations,or what you eat and drink.
BUT ABOUT DOING THE WILL OF GOD AND FOLLOW HIS WORD.(the Holy bible),not some other.wakeup.
Then we agree to the meaning of the verse. YEA!!!Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2013,11:07) edj Paul definitely talks to men in the flesh ,but so that they should stop to live for the flesh and so should understand that the KINGDOM OF GOD HIS ABOUT THE SPIRIT ,
MEANS ” THE RULE OF LOVE “” THIS IS WHAT MAKE US BEING REBORN AND WHORTY TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD AFTER WE ARE DEAD ,
PIERREWhat's stopping YOU from entering the “Kingdom of God” now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2013,12:07) yes all is related to the teachings either of the law it self or to the understanding of it ,right and so how could it be interpreted by you that Joh 3-5 is literal,
Hi Pierre,Matthew 25
31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him………..32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another………….
34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
Pierre, has Jesus already come in his glory, and all his angels with him? It is at THAT time, that those chosen will enter God's Kingdom.
Acts 14:22
They strengthened the souls of the disciples and encouraged them to continue in the faith, saying, “We must enter the kingdom 3 of God through many persecutions.”Footnote #3 says: This reference to the kingdom of God clearly refers to its future arrival.
I agree with this footnote, Pierre. It is clear from these encouraging words that these people had not yet entered the Kingdom of God, but knew they must go through many hardships ON EARTH to SOME DAY enter that Kingdom.
Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven………22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name…………
23 Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you.
Notice the words “on that day”, and “Then”? Those words tell us that there will be a particular day in the future on which the vast majority will be judged. Some will say, “Lord, Lord”, and be allowed to enter the kingdom on that day. Others will say “Lord, Lord”, and will hear, “I never knew you”.
Pierre and Ed,
I understand that many people believe they have already been “born again” spiritually, and are already “in” the Kingdom of God because of the way they live their lives according to God's will.
But until “that day”, when they say to Jesus in the presence of his angels, “Lord, Lord”, they will not truly know whether or not they will be allowed to enter that Kingdom.
There are some people who are like Enoch and Elijah, and have been taken right from life on earth to life in the Kingdom of God. These are those “who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.” (Rev 6:9) These are people like Paul and Peter. But that is a different subject altogether.
The vast majority of those who are to someday enter God's Kingdom, will do so after being judged on “that day”.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,18:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2013,10:55) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,13:38) But ye are not in the flesh…………………
Ed,Was Paul writing these words to people who WERE still in their flesh bodies? Or did he write these words to SPIRIT BEINGS who were dwelling on earth without one ounce of flesh?
Which one, please?
Paul was writing those words to people who were still in their flesh bodies.
But he said they were NOT in the flesh, right? Hmmm…………. perhaps then Paul was speaking metaphorically in this case?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,06:34) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 10 2013,11:07) edj Paul definitely talks to men in the flesh ,but so that they should stop to live for the flesh and so should understand that the KINGDOM OF GOD HIS ABOUT THE SPIRIT ,
MEANS ” THE RULE OF LOVE “” THIS IS WHAT MAKE US BEING REBORN AND WHORTY TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD AFTER WE ARE DEAD ,
PIERREWhat's stopping YOU from entering the “Kingdom of God” now?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote What's stopping YOU from entering the “Kingdom of God” now? the full course of our lives has to completed ,and it is at the resurrection in the first that those in Christ will receive what they have believed in ,God promise ,through Christ ,
Mike
Quote Pierre, has Jesus already come in his glory, and all his angels with him? It is at THAT time, that those chosen will enter God's Kingdom. what his Christ glory
Quote Footnote #3 says: This reference to the kingdom of God clearly refers to its future arrival. I agree with that ;
but what I say unless you are reborn you will certainly not enter the kingdom ,SO WHAT HAVE WE TO DO TO BECOME REBORN ,THAT HIS FROM THE STATE IN WITCH WE ARE AT THE TIME OF EARING THE WORDS OF CHRIST GOSPEL
it is like going to meet someone but you are told to come in dressed in a smoking suit OR THEY WILL NOT LET YOU IN ;so the time what is left to you to make up your mind is from receiving the announcement and wen you reach the front entrance of your trip destiny after that you would have lost all
Quote I understand that many people believe they have already been “born again” spiritually, and are already “in” the Kingdom of God because of the way they live their lives according to God's will. But until “that day”, when they say to Jesus in the presence of his angels, “Lord, Lord”, they will not truly know whether or not they will be allowed to enter that Kingdom.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits (144k); then, when he comes, those who belong to him (the great crowd ). ALL OF THOSE TWO CLASSES HAVE BEEN REBORN BY THE TIME OF THEIR DEAD ,
(REBORN MEANING HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THE WORLD IN ANY WAY ,HAVE BEEN TOTALLY CHANGED IN A SPIRITUAL SOUL BUT YET NOT RELEASED IN THE KINGDOM THE RELEASING COMES WITH THE RESURRECTION ;THE FIRST ONE ONLY )
Quote The vast majority of those who are to someday enter God's Kingdom, will do so after being judged on “that day”. THEIR ARE TWO RESURRECTION AND SO TWO CALL BUT ONE JUDGMENT ;WE ALL GET JUDGE BY CHRIST FAITH ,BUT THE FIRST RESURRECTION ARE THOSE WHO ENTER THE KINGDOM A 1000 YEARS EARLIER AND LIVE WITH JOY ,WHILE ALL OTHERS WILL BE IN THE SECOND RESURRECTION AND YET HAVE TO SHOW THIER FAITH FOR THE JUDGMENT WILL BE FATAL TO THOSE WHO MISS ON IT .
I AGREE THAT MANY LIKE TO BELIEVE THEY MADE IT BUT IN TRUTH THEY DO NOT ,
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