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Wakeup, being born again is water baptism (baptism of water), then is the being born of the spirit (baptism of spirit). Born of water and born of spirit. two things. That is all I can say though, I am away for a while, take care, God Bless.
Romans 6:4
'We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.'See how Paul said that through baptism we are as if buried with Christ, and then we are raised from the dead. We were once dead, but now we have been given life, and it is then up to us to produce good fruit or bad, once we have received the Holy Spirit (baptism in the spirit), and this can often take many years to happen. This is while we are alive!
I was baptized in water aged 15. I was baptized in the Spirit nearly 20 years later. That was a long gap! In between the two, I was lost.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,20:47) I was baptized in water aged 15. I was baptized in the Spirit nearly 20 years later. That was a long gap! In between the two, I was lost.
HI 2BESEE.You were babtised with the Holy spirit AFTER you started searching.This is how it works.
Have a good one.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 31 2012,15:47) I was baptized in water aged 15. I was baptized in the Spirit nearly 20 years later. That was a long gap! In between the two, I was lost.
2beechanging the baptism of repentance of the Jews into a baptism for all and called it reborn is the same to reinstitute the circumcision,
and we all know that the circumcision is only valid if you follow the law so this is impossible ,so it is impossible to be baptized in water and be saved,
believing in the son of God and producing the fruits of the kingdom IS NOT THE BAPTISM IN WATER ,the baptism does not do more than make you wet,
no one can built his life on a dip in water ,but in the teaching and receiving knowledge we can ,and in trusting God ,and his written word we can ,in applying the word of God in our lives we can ,by living in truth 24/7 we can ,all of this builds our faith ,except a dip in water what create a division ,one of the division well known in scriptures his ;
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)religion says that they baptize in Christ ? this is the big lie ,why then are they separated from each other no they baptize in the name of their own church .
1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
how much water did you or can you drink
And happy new year to all the brother sand sisters.
and may knowledge come in abundance.
Knowledge is our foundation.
No wind of doctrine can shake it loose.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,22:07) HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TERRA. wakeup.
sorry I do not mix my live with wordly event ,just another day in the years God as given me
Quote (942767 @ Dec. 31 2012,13:25) water baptism is an action showing that one has believed the Word of God,
and has repented, and it symbolizes ones union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection.
Hi Marty,How people miss the obvious.
The Jews needed to accept Jesus
ransom sacrifice, so baptism was proof.
We believe apart from the law, so no need. (see Acts 10:44-46)Peter asked: “Can any man forbid water” (Acts 10:47),
no-one forbids water baptism, though it is not necessary.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
yes; and this is it because of the water baptism like Marty says that it stumbled the little children to come to Christ ???or is through false knowledge distribution
MT 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
JN 12:44 And Jesus cried out and said, “ He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.
JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;
LK 6:46 “ Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
what did Christ say
Jn 4:21 Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
Jn 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”if you have not change your life to live it in godly truth and learn Gods will of what to do ,and act upon it ,this will kill you
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,03:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,22:07) HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TERRA. wakeup.
sorry I do not mix my live with wordly event ,just another day in the years God as given me
Sorry Terra,but you got it all wrong.
new year celebrations has nothing to do with RELIGION.
You still have the jw streak in you.
Not enough knowledge.We can not break away from friends and the world,because we have to try to bring them into the fold.
We are still *IN BABYLON*; but not *OF BABYLON*.Be as a jew if you are amongst jews, and be as a greek if you are amongst greeks,and try to bring them to the fold,
that is our job. bUT DONT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,16:46) i Mike, Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul are teaching different doctrine?
Not at all, Ed.Jesus was making a LITERAL teaching, while Paul and Peter were speaking METAPHORICALLY.
The teachings do not contradict each other.
Btw, I didn't care for your answer to my question. I want to know, YES OR NO, if you can, right now, today, in your flesh body, ENTER the Kingdom of God. Well…………. CAN YOU?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,11:04) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,16:46) i Mike, Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul are teaching different doctrine?
Not at all, Ed.Jesus was making a LITERAL teaching, while Paul and Peter were speaking METAPHORICALLY.
The teachings do not contradict each other.
Btw, I didn't care for your answer to my question. I want to know, YES OR NO, if you can, right now, today, in your flesh body, ENTER the Kingdom of God. Well…………. CAN YOU?
Hi Mike,The Kingdom of God is always going to be spiritual.
When we are “born again” meaning baptized with
God's HolySpirit, we have entered God's kingdom.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2013,05:55) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,03:40) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2012,22:07) HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR TERRA. wakeup.
sorry I do not mix my live with wordly event ,just another day in the years God as given me
Sorry Terra,but you got it all wrong.
new year celebrations has nothing to do with RELIGION.
You still have the jw streak in you.
Not enough knowledge.We can not break away from friends and the world,because we have to try to bring them into the fold.
We are still *IN BABYLON*; but not *OF BABYLON*.Be as a jew if you are amongst jews, and be as a greek if you are amongst greeks,and try to bring them to the fold,
that is our job. bUT DONT FOLLOW THEIR RELIGIOUS CELEBRATIONS.wakeup.
Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,11:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,11:04) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,16:46) i Mike, Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul are teaching different doctrine?
Not at all, Ed.Jesus was making a LITERAL teaching, while Paul and Peter were speaking METAPHORICALLY.
The teachings do not contradict each other.
Btw, I didn't care for your answer to my question. I want to know, YES OR NO, if you can, right now, today, in your flesh body, ENTER the Kingdom of God. Well…………. CAN YOU?
Hi Mike,The Kingdom of God is always going to be spiritual.
When we are “born again” meaning baptized with
God's HolySpirit, we have entered God's kingdom.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And
saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.I disagree, Ed. I believe the Kingdom of God is a REAL place that some of us will physically go – not just something in our minds.
And we can't GO there unless we are rid of flesh, and made of spirit.
I see no need to keep arguing about this topic, so I'll leave it to the rest of you. As with many scriptural topics, there are different ways to understand certain words.
It is clear that you and Pierre and 2B are taking Jesus' words in John 3 to be METAPHORICAL. I do not take them that way.
Who's right, and who's wrong? We can beat each other up over it for months without ever getting closer to the actual truth of it.
For right now, I will agree to disagree with you, Pierre, and 2B. No harm done.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,12:04) I disagree, Ed. I believe the Kingdom of God is a REAL place that some of us will physically go – not just something in our minds. And we can't GO there unless we are rid of flesh, and made of spirit.
I see no need to keep arguing about this topic, so I'll leave it to the rest of you. As with many scriptural topics, there are different ways to understand certain words.
It is clear that you and Pierre and 2B are taking Jesus' words in John 3 to be METAPHORICAL. I do not take them that way.
Who's right, and who's wrong? We can beat each other up over it for months without ever getting closer to the actual truth of it.
For right now, I will agree to disagree with you, Pierre, and 2B. No harm done.
Mike B.I agree.
And he *shall* reign with a rod of iron.
not in our minds.How can his kingdom in our minds have a limit of a 1000yrs.
His physical kingdom on earth has a 1000yr limit, before he gave it to his father.
How can all that; ?? fit in the kingdom of the mind.wakeup.
Nor would anyone ever have to “ENTER” into a Kingdom that was already in their mind. And Jesus and the Apostles speak many times about “ENTERING” the Kingdom of God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,07:36) Nor would anyone ever have to “ENTER” into a Kingdom that was already in their mind. And Jesus and the Apostles speak many times about “ENTERING” the Kingdom of God.
MikeQuote I believe the Kingdom of God is a REAL place that some of us will physically go – not just something in our minds. of cause it his, this is why the gospel is preached ,and the faith in the hope is there
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,11:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 01 2013,11:04) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,16:46) i Mike, Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul are teaching different doctrine?
Not at all, Ed.Jesus was making a LITERAL teaching, while Paul and Peter were speaking METAPHORICALLY.
The teachings do not contradict each other.
Btw, I didn't care for your answer to my question. I want to know, YES OR NO, if you can, right now, today, in your flesh body, ENTER the Kingdom of God. Well…………. CAN YOU?
Hi Mike,The Kingdom of God is always going to be spiritual.
When we are “born again” meaning baptized with
God's HolySpirit, we have entered God's kingdom.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
THE PHYSICAL KINGDOM.Isaiah 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isaiah 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
THIS IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD; CHRIST WILL RULE WITH THE SAINTS,OVER THE JEWS.
PARADISE FOR THE JEWS IN THE FLESH.wakeup.
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