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- May 6, 2020 at 3:20 pm#863745LightenupParticipant
Beautifully said Pilgrim, thank you. I’ve been reading some of the earliest church father’s lately, Ignatius, Polycarp, and Ireanaus. Ignatius and Polycarp died for those truths that you wrote. Ignatius was fed to the lions and Polycarp was put in the midst of fire and then stabbed by a sword. Both of these believers in Jesus as God with God in the beginning were happy to die that type of death as they looked forward to the reward of being with the risen Savior, Jesus Christ. The worship of Jesus as our God with the Father was true back when Jesus died and is true today. Truth doesn’t change.
Blessings, LU
May 6, 2020 at 4:28 pm#863746PilgrimParticipantAmen LightenUp to your reference to Jesus as the Christ as a babe and young child, “the Anointed”, in those two lovely scriptures from Mark & Luke.
It is so true that only by the Spirit can anyone make such confessions as Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 17. It’s great to have the vail taken away from our hearts to truly know who Jesus is, isn’t it?
Praise God.
May 6, 2020 at 4:44 pm#863747PilgrimParticipantEd J,
Bless you in your love and honour for Jesus, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, He who is truly MAN and truly GOD in whom God Himself resided reconciling the world unto God himself, and we have every right to bow to Christ Jesus and worshipped him in the same manner as the Father. They are false accusers that accuse Christ’s true followers (us) as idol worshippers. Such accusations are of the Devil, the accuser of the brethren.
“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” Rom 8:34
Nothing can “separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
May 6, 2020 at 8:52 pm#863748carmelParticipantHi Edj,
POOR Gene!!!
YOU: Are you claiming Jesus (according to Gene) was not Christ?
John4:25 The woman saith to him: I know that the Messias cometh (who is called Christ): therefore, when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith to her:
I am he, who am speaking with thee.
Please and love in Jesus Christ
May 7, 2020 at 1:08 am#863749PilgrimParticipantDear Ed J, LightenUp and Carmel,
Be encouraged dear friends. Content for the faith, exhort and rebuke with all authority.
The beloved Apostle Paul, speaking by grace and revelation, informs us the Father himself has testified (Colossians 1) that:
- ALL THINGS were “created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” BY his beloved son (repeating it twice); and
- ALL THINGS were created FOR the beloved Son.
We are further informed that
- His beloved Son “is before all things”
- By his beloved Son “all things consist”
- His beloved Son “is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead”
- IN ALL THINGS his beloved Son might have “the preeminence”.
There is nothing unprepared, nothing unforeseen, in God’s dealings with mankind. The community of redeemed men was chosen in Christ before the world’s foundation, “according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel”.
Though Adam (the created Son Of God) sin and losing both his likeness to a holy God and that direct and intimate fellowship with Elohim his creator, though Israel (“his firstborn Son”) refuse God speaking to them directly at Sinai and require a man as mediator and a prophet instead, though Israel reject God reigning over them choosing instead to have a man as a king like the nations around them, yet God never turned aside from his purpose and plan. Yes God himself was in Christ reconciling the world back to himself, the Son in that body prepared for him, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, living as MAN, as that Prophet and Mediator, as King, that once again all would be brought back into direct relationship to himself, the Son having delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, once the Son shall have put down all rule and all authority and power, the Son himself subjecting himself unto God, that God may be all in all once again. “That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:31
Yes God himself had to provide a Lamb to take away all sin and pay the price of man’s rebellion, redeem, reconcile and save, so that the new mankind (those regenerated and renewed and born of the Spirit) could enter into the presence of God.
The Father honoured the Son, so that the Son could bring honour back to the Father.
Hallelujah.
May 7, 2020 at 3:06 am#863753GeneBalthropParticipantCarmel……Jesus is “the anointed one” I have never said differently, but he is “not” the ANOINTING THAT WAS AND IS UPON HIM.
He is the “the Messiah of God” none of that make he himself that anointing Spirit that was upon him, no more then The spirit of truth that is given us, makes us that Spirit itself, it is the Spirit of (from) God that gives us the cognisitie of the truth. It comes from the Father, the Same applies to Jesus he has the Seven Spirits of God upon him, given him by GOD the Father, after his baptizim at the Jordan river .
Luke 4:18…..The “Spirit” of the Lord is upon me, why? because he (God) has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he (God) has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deleverance to the captives and recovering of site to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
My question to you Carmel do you “truly” believe what Jesus himself says?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
May 7, 2020 at 4:59 am#863760LightenupParticipantAmen Pilgrim!
God bless, LU
May 7, 2020 at 5:25 am#863762LightenupParticipantQuestion:
Was Jesus anointed in order to be the first begotten son of God?
Or
Was Jesus anointed because he WAS the only begotten son of God?
In other words, which came first…the state of being the only begotten son of God or the state of being anointed in order to become the first begotten son of God.
I believe either view will lead to either the faith in the person of the son of God or faith in the anointing work of God on a person.
May 8, 2020 at 2:06 am#863786PilgrimParticipantHi LightenUp,
In answer to your question LightenUp, the short answer is Jesus was anointed because he was the Son Of God.
Here is a more detailed answer. While there are other scripture we could use to show support for this response, suffice it to limit ourselves to John’s gospel and his epistle and to Colossians 1. To start with I will quote from a another writer who gives a good summary on the subject and then add some comments of my own.
A well researched writer has provided this summary in regard to Jesus as the Son Of God in John’s gospel. “In the Gospel of John, Jesus is the presented as the eternally pre-existent Son who was sent from heaven into the world by the Father (e.g., John 3:17; John 4:34; John 5:24–37). He remains conscious of the divine pre-existence he enjoyed with the Father (John 8:23, John 8:38–42). He is one with the father (John 10:30; John 14:7) and loved by the Father (John 3:35; John 5:20; John 10:17; John 17:23–26). The Son has the divine power to give life and to judge (John 5:21–26; John 6:40; John 8:16; John 17:2). Through his death, resurrection, and ascension the Son is glorified by the Father (John 17:1–24), as prophesied in Isaiah 53:10-12. His glory not only existed from the time of the incarnation to reveal the Father (John 1:14), but also pre-existed the creation of the world (John 17:5-7-24) and so he ascended back to that glory he had before coming to earth. Where Paul and the author of Hebrews picture Jesus almost as the elder brother or the first-born of God’s new eschatological family (Rom 8:14–29; Heb 2:10–12), John insists even more on the clear qualitative difference between Jesus’ sonship and that of others. Being God’s “only Son” (John 1:14–1:18; John 3:16–3:18), he enjoys a truly unique and exclusive relationship with the Father”.
This same writer continues “According to the Synoptic Gospels, Jesus referred to himself obliquely as “the Son” and even more significantly spoke of God as “my Father” (Matt. 11:27; Matt 16:17; Luke 22:29). He not only spoke like “the Son” but also acted like “the Son” in knowing and revealing the truth about God, in changing the divine law, in forgiving sins, in being the one through whom others could become children of God, and in acting with total obedience as the agent for God’s final kingdom. This clarifies the charge of blasphemy brought against him at the end (Mark 14:64); he had given the impression of claiming to stand on a par with God. Jesus came across as expressing a unique filial consciousness and as laying claim to a unique filial relationship with the God whom he addressed as “Abba”. He made himself out to be more than only someone chosen and anointed as divine representative to fulfil an eschatological role in and for the kingdom…. Jesus not only thought of himself as God’s Son, but also spoke of himself as sent by God…
”It should be observed that the language of “sending” (or, for that matter, “coming” with its stress on personal purpose (Mark 10:45; Luke 12:49, 51) by itself does not necessarily imply pre-existence. Otherwise one would have to ascribe pre-existence to John the Baptist, “a man sent from God”, who “came to bear witness to the light” (John 1:6–8; cf. Matt. 11:10, 18 ). In the Old Testament, angelic and human messengers, especially prophets, were “sent” by God, but one should add at once that the prophets sent by God were never called God’s sons. It makes a difference that in the the Pauline passages it was God’s Son who was sent. Here being “sent” by God means more than merely receiving a divine commission and includes coming from a heavenly pre-existence and enjoying a divine origin”.
Among the reasons for which the Son Of God was sent into the world is recorded for us in passages like Rom. 8:3, 32; Gal. 4:4 where the focus is not on the Son’s pre-existence, but on his being sent or given up to free human beings from sin and death, to make them God’s adopted children, and to let them live (and pray) with the power of the indwelling Spirit. As Jesus said “Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.” John 12:27-28. Yet another reason for which he was born was what he stated to Pilate “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice”.
“Even if historically he never called himself “the only” Son of God (cf. John 1:14, 18; John 3:16, 18), Jesus presented himself as Son and not just as one who was the divinely appointed Messiah (and therefore “son” of God) but implicitly Jesus claimed an unique relationship of sonship to God”, the only one who has seen God being in the bosom of the Father, which provided grounds for his role as mediator, prophet, priest and king of the Kingdom of God & the Kingdom Of Heaven. He appoints a kingdom to his disciples just as His Father appointed him (Luke 22:29-30). He was able to dismiss his spirit back to God his Father, something the other sons of God cannot do (Luke 23:46).
Here also are other interesting facts. Jesus never called the Father OUR Father. It was always “Father” or “my Father” or “the Father”. This is in contrast to how he spoke to the disciples or others about the Father where he always said “your Father” or “their Father”. See some references:
- “Father” – Matt 11:25-27; Matt 12:50; Matt 15:13; Matt 16:17 & 27; Matt 20:23; Matt 24:36; Matt 26; Mark 14:36; Luke 2:47; Luke 9:26; Luke 10:21-22; John 5:17; John 12:28; John 14; John 17
- “my Father” – Matthew 7:21; Matt 10:32-33; Matt 13:23 & 43; Matt 18; Mark 11:26-27; Luke 11 & 12
- “The Father” – John 5, 6, 8 and many other verses in John
- “your father” or “their Father” – John 20:17; Matthew 5:16 & 45; Matt 6; Matt 10:20
While both Jesus and the sons of God both have God as their father, Our sonship is derived and dependent on his, we as adopted sons (Galatians 4:5; Rom 8:15), born of the Spirit, regenerated and renewed by the Holy Spirit and being an abode Of the Father, the Son and the Spirit, which makes us “children of God”, “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ” (Rom 8:16-17) and “sons of God” (Rom 8:14) being led by the Spirit Of God, brethren of Christ (John 20:17; Hebrews 2:10-28). Nevertheless we are not in that special relationship that Jesus had with God the Father. This leads me into Colossians.
In Colossians 1:12-21, Paul speaking by the grace given him and by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, informs us that God OUR Father, who is also the Father of our Lord Jesus (verses 2 & 3), made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light and delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son (Son Of his love). He then goes on to say that it is in this Son that we have received redemption, the forgiveness of sins, and that this Son is not only the image of the invisible God (who is Spirit), but among other things was the one by whom all things were created and they were created for him (the Son). So we may safely say, the Son preceded his Anointing as Jesus Christ (Khristos). In the purposes and will of God a Messiah was to come, prophesied and typed and fore shadowed throughout the Old Testament but was manifested in time. The types, figures, shadows all depict Christ in his person and ministry. The Son existed at creation and creation was by Him and for him.
In John 1:1-4 we are informed by the Apostle John, who is speaking by grace and the revelation of the Holy Spirit, informs us that the WORD (Logos) was with God and is God, and was in the beginning with God, and all things were created by him (him being a person/being not just a purpose in the will of God) and nothing was made without him and that in this WORD was life. Then later in the chapter (verse 14) this WORD was made flesh and in him could be seen the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father, who in verse 18 is the only one, being in the bosom of the Father and seeing him, that has or is able to declare (unfold, tell out, make known) what and who God is and like. The man Jesus was not in the beginning, nor is his manhood God, but the WORD was in the beginning, was with God, and is God; and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. The creation is ascribed to him, and his being said to be the life and light of men comes from God alone. This is what is meant when it says “God was in Christ reconciling the (lost and rebellious) world unto Himself” I.e. to God, and in the next verse “be ye reconciled to God” (2 Cor 5:19-20).
Then in 1 John 1:1-2 this Word Of life is also called the Eternal Life and could be touched, seen and handled (being in the flesh) and this Eternal life was WITH the Father and manifested to the Apostles. Then in 1 John 5:11 & 20 we are told this Eternal Life is in his Son Jesus Christ and that this Jesus Christ is the true God and Eternal life.
So we can conclude from this and many other scriptures that the Son Of God (the WORD) became Jesus the Christ (Khristos), the Anointed Of God, to fulfil all that is written of the Messiah (variously called the Branch, My Servant or My righteous servant, a man of sorrows, the Messenger Of the Covenant, God’s Holy arm or Arm Of the Lord, the salvation of God, the Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, to name a few.
There is so much that can be said on this important matter.
As to Jesus Christ’s human genealogy, the New Testament provides two accounts of the genealogy of Jesus, one in the Gospel of Matthew and another in the Gospel of Luke. Matthew starts with Abraham, while Luke begins with Adam. The lists are identical between Abraham and David, but differ radically from that point. Matthew has twenty-seven generations from David to Joseph, whereas Luke has forty-two, with almost no overlap between the names on the two lists from David down. Notably, the two accounts also disagree on who Joseph’s father was: Matthew says he was Jacob, while Luke says he was Heli. Traditional Christian scholars (starting with Africanus and Eusebius) have put forward various theories that seek to explain why the lineages are so different, such as that Matthew’s account follows the lineage of Joseph, while Luke’s follows the lineage of Mary (Heli being Joseph’s Father-in-Law, Mary’s Father).
It is important to be clear that though Jesus is called the “Son Of Joseph” in the both genealogies he was not of the human seed of Joseph, but conceived of the Holy Spirit. In Luke 1:35, in the Annunciation, before the birth of Jesus, the angel tells the Virgin Mary that she shall conceive by the Holy Spirit (as he did also to Joseph) and that her child “shall be called the Son of God”, “Son Of the highest”.
The reason for tracing Jesus’ human genealogy through the lineage of Joseph (to whom Mary was espoused, so part of the family of Joseph) is to associate Jesus as being Of the tribe of Judah and thereby fulfilling the prophecies relating to Abraham and his seed and David and his seed.
The reason for tracing Jesus’ lineage back to Adam, is to associate Jesus as a human being from God and so fulfilling his promise to the Woman about her seed, and because Adam was the first human being whose origin was by a direct operation of God.
The difference between Adam (a type of Christ) and Jesus (the anti-type) being Adam was created from the earth and had the breath of God breathed into him to become a living human, whereas Jesus was conceived and begotten Of God by the Holy Spirit through Mary to receive flesh and blood so that he could identify with those he came to restore back into a relationship with God the Father (Hebrews 2).
Only two men have come into this world directly from God, Adam the first Man and Jesus, the second Man (hence the teaching in 1 Cor 15). Jesus never came from Adam’s sinful seed. If God can make a man from the earth and give him/them life, he is well able to conceive a human being in Mary and bring him forth by a human birth. It has to be this way or he could not have been the sacrifice without blemish offered in the acceptable year of the Lord. Note also that the Church comes forth and receives its existence and life from Christ just as Eve came forth from Adam and received existence. The sons of God (the Church, the called out ones) are “members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones” just as the woman was of Adam, and as Adam and Eve were two yet one flesh, so it is with Christ and the Church (the teaching of Ephesians 5).
The revelation of scripture is glorious. Truly we could apply this scripture to all God’s marvellous works “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.” (Rom 11:33-36).
May 8, 2020 at 3:30 am#863790GeneBalthropParticipantPilgrim……your, so-called “short” answer” , is not found in scripture, that is why you have to take people through your “long” egress, in order to try to reach some kind of reason. Putting your trinitarian ideas into our text is called “forcing the text”, to say what in fact it does not say, a typical “trinitarian” ploy
ĹU,…..Jesus was anointed because he was a Son of Man, he had to be anointed inorder to do the Will of God, exactly as we have to be also.
Now thats a short answer, without all the smoke screens.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
May 8, 2020 at 4:34 am#863792LightenupParticipantHi Pilgrim,
Thank you for your answer and all the support information (Gerald O’Collins?)…well done and I agree.
Blessings, LU
May 8, 2020 at 4:45 am#863793LightenupParticipantGene,
Thank you for your response.
This is what you said:
Jesus was anointed because he was a Son of Man, he had to be anointed in order to do the Will of God, exactly as we have to be also.
So how did he get singled out since all humans aside from Adam and Eve are a “son of man?”
May 9, 2020 at 4:52 am#863809LightenupParticipantCan we hear from others on this, please???
Question:
Was Jesus anointed in order to be the first begotten son of God?
Or
Was Jesus anointed because he WAS the only begotten son of God?
In other words, which came first…the state of being the only begotten son of God or the state of being anointed in order to become the first begotten son of God.
I believe either view will lead to either the faith in the person of the son of God or faith in the anointing work of God on a person.
May 13, 2020 at 5:57 am#863877LightenupParticipantBump
May 13, 2020 at 6:06 am#863878JodiParticipantHi Lu,
In prophecy FIRST you have a human son and THEN that human has God’s Spirit come to abode upon him, an anointing.
In prophecy FIRST you have a human son and THEN God says He makes this son into His own son.
JESUS IS A HUMAN, a son of Adam, who the LORD made strong for Himself, who the LORD called to righteousness and directed all his ways.
Psalms 80:15 And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou madest strong for thyself. 16 It is burned with fire, it is cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance. 17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man (Adam) whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. 16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name where with she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.
Zech 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my SERVANT the BRANCH.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my SERVANT, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
The resurrected Jesus is this human of prophecy, the son of Adam, the son of Abraham, the son of Jesse, the son of David through being the son of Joseph by the power of the Holy Spirit to fulfill God’s sign unto the house of David concerning the Branch of David the LORD promised to call to righteousness and sit him at His right hand, settling him into His house and giving him an eternal throne.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him,Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Scripture tells us that we are all sons of God through Adam, and we are told in Acts 17, for in God we live, and move, and have our being, for we are also His offspring.
Jesus is a son of Adam, and a son of God through Adam, as we all are.
What separates Jesus from all sons of men and from all the sons of God, making him a one of a kind son of man and a one of a kind son of God, is that he was the only mortal of weak flesh who was anointed with the fullness of the Spirit. Jesus was the only mortal called to righteousness to have God direct ALL of his ways so that he could make God’s power known, to make known unto mankind that by God’s Spirit sin could be condemned in human flesh.
God is not the God of the dead but of the living, and likewise He is not the Father of the dead but is the One God the Father of the living. The Spirit is life because of righteousness, Jesus was called to righteousness where the Spirit bore witness to his spirit that he was a Son of God. Jesus was fully led by God’s Spirit and thus he was a Son of God. We are promised to be joint heirs with Jesus, given God’s Spirit at Jesus’s return where by that Spirit God will also cause us to walk in all His ways.
One human brought sin and death, that one human represents all humans of whom did not receive the fullness of God’s Spirit, and thus sin was inevitable.
The one human who did receive the fullness of God’s Spirit died paying for all sins giving us access to the Spirit that brings forth righteousness and life.
Jesus out of all the mortal sons of men born as a son of God through Adam, only he was fully begotten by God of His Spirit, called to righteousness, born again of water and of the Spirit. As he paid the penalty of all sin by his death on the cross bringing forth access to the Spirit to all, he was raised a firstborn of many.
May 13, 2020 at 6:33 am#863879LightenupParticipantHi Jodi,
Thank you for your post. How would you answer this question:
Was Jesus anointed in order to be the first begotten son of God?
Or
Was Jesus anointed because he WAS the only begotten son of God?
In other words, which came first…the state of being the only begotten son of God or the state of being anointed in order to become the first begotten son of God.
LU
May 13, 2020 at 8:18 am#863881JodiParticipantHi Lu,
Scripture is clear as to WHO the resurrected Jesus is, a human raised from the dead whose flesh was not allowed to see decay. He received the promised Holy Spirit, on that day he was begotten by God. He is the son of man exalted to sit at God’s right hand.
Jesus being dead and made alive again as God’s begotten Son we don’t see some sort of mitosis going on, we see a human given God’s Spirit being led by that Spirit. This eternal man appears to many and teaches of himself according to prophecy, him being the prophet Moses spoke of, him being the seed of Abraham where through him all nations would be blessed, him being the son of David who God said He would make into His firstborn higher than the kings of the earth having dominion overall the works that God created, him being the son of Jesse given the Spirit to judge in righteousness, a man ordained by God, him being the man called to execute God’s purpose who God declared would come since the beginning of the world.What he does not teach at all is that he pre-existed or that he was God. He identifies himself exactly as who Paul in Romans 1 identifies him as, likewise that which was spoken afore by the prophets, a son of David being God’s Son according to the Spirit.
Just as Jesus was a human raised up at the river Jordan being begotten by God and a Son being led by God’s Spirit, Jesus was a human raised up from the dead being begotten by God and a Son being led by God’s Spirit, “now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David”, which is an eternal kingdom having eternal life by God’s eternal Spirit dwelling within his flesh as he sit’s on his father David’s throne.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 THIS JESUS hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him,Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Lu, as said before Isaiah’s prophecies are not yet fully completed. The son of Man, the son of Jesse is returning in our Father’s glory, which is a man who has upon him God’s anointing Spirit. He is going to reward those who have faith in the operation of God, who believe in unity, that the Son of God is a perfect man, the measure and stature of the fullness of an anointing. Those who believe God and the power of His anointing Spirit, He will quicken them and give them a new heart of flesh, a new spirit, and God will place His Spirit upon them and cause them to walk in all His ways making them JOINT heirs with Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15 tells you directly that Jesus is a HUMAN raised first in an order. He is not God, he is returning to execute God’s purpose to destroy all enemies, when enemies are all destroyed what remains are people who have God ALL IN them, as Jesus and those who are his at his return have God all in them being heirs of God. This is the END that our One God the Father declared from the beginning, nothing would have been made if it were not for this human who first received God being all in him, called to righteousness to be for a light unto the whole world.
God made humans in His image, the anointed Jesus is a human of the seed of Jacob who exists in God’s image. God made earth for it to be inhabited eternally by humans. When God before the world was had promised eternal life to mankind, it was a promise of God making man in His own image through being all in, through directing all their ways through His anointing Spirit given for evermore.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
May 13, 2020 at 8:19 am#863882BereanParticipantJOHN 3
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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[1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.May 13, 2020 at 8:19 am#863883JodiParticipantHi Lu,
I posted the second post before I saw your question directed to me so I will answer it in my next post.
May 13, 2020 at 8:30 am#863884JodiParticipantHi Lu,
YOU:
Was Jesus anointed in order to be the first begotten son of God?
Or
Was Jesus anointed because he WAS the only begotten son of God?
In other words, which came first…the state of being the only begotten son of God or the state of being anointed in order to become the first begotten son of God.
ME:
My understanding is that Jesus was the only mortal human anointed with the fullness of God’s Spirit becoming the only mortal human to be thus called God’s only begotten son. This only begotten son died.
God raised him from the dead as a firstborn of many, as his death payed the penalty for all of man’s sins bringing forth a resurrection as well as access to God’s anointing Spirit.
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