Born and begotten

[Jodi]

Hi Pilgrim,

Thanks for your thorough reply.

YOU: Believers believe the being who was Jesus came into the World from the Father (was made flesh) to accomplish The Father’s will, which he did by only doing and saying what Father showed him and spoke, culminating in the death, resurrection and ascension then returned home to Father.

ME: There are some, like myself, who do not find a single scripture at all that attests to the existing of a being who came to earth and was made into the flesh.

All the scriptures you gave to defend your stance I have debated before and know them well and they support my understanding perfectly. Those passages I believe you take out of context, and fail to likewise apply other passages that give clarity to their true meaning.

YOU:

Now as to Hebrews 1:8-13. Please note where talking of a person:
1. God addressed Jesus, his Son, as God (not gods)
2. He said thy throne I.e. the Son’s throne, that is God the son’s throne
3. Called the Son Lord
4. And stated that this Lord created I.e. laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens were the works of thine hands:
5. Stated the earth and heavens would perish but He would remain
6. Stated the Son would fold up (a creative act) the earth and the heavens
7. Stated the Sons years would not fail.
How can a man born of a women, made under the law, be outside earth and heavens so as to creat and destroy them? Only God is outside time, space and matter.

ME:

1.  Of course God did not call His Son “gods”, that would be absurd.

God called him a god, as He called Moses a god. Together they would equate to the gods that God spoke about in the OT that then Jesus’s quoted God’s words, where Jesus in fact was speaking of himself as one of those gods, so that they would not be confused thinking that Jesus thought himself to be the One True God, but rather he made it clear that he was ONE of the gods that God spoke about. 

Let me give you the passages again,

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

A few things we can establish from this passage.

1. Jesus is not God, but one of the gods who God calls a god.
2. Jesus is called a god by God because the word of God came to him
3. There were other gods, like Moses who also spoke God’s word.
4. Jesus is not the word of God but one like Moses who received God’s word.
5.  The Father is God, Jesus is not.
6. Jesus was sanctified and then sent into the world to do the works of the Father.

2. “God the Son” is NOT FOUND IN ANY SCRIPTURE.

This is what you have done,

You failed to apply scripture to a part of a verse, where you instead created your own idea directly against the scriptures you should have applied. You then take that totally false idea and apply it to the other part of the verse while you then deny once again other passages it is directly suppose to be applied to.

There is no God the Son, and thus there is no God the Son who has a kingdom.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O god, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The Son of God is called a god by God, and those who God calls gods, are children of the most High. 

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

gods  – ‘elohiym

rulers, judges, godlike one

1 Chronicles 17 tells you that first there is a son of David and THEN God makes him into His own Son and gives him an eternal kingdom.

Luke 1 speaks of the child to be born that is to be named Jesus. He is said to be the son of David and it is said that he will be called the Son of the Highest, and that he will receive the throne of his father David where he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and there will be no end to his kingdom. 

3. God called the Son lord, well of course He did as He made Jesus who was crucified a lord.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

and that same Jesus in Acts 13 is declared the promised son of David who God would be a Father to, begetting him on that day he rose from the dead, making him the firstborn of the dead of many brethren having eternal life.

4, 5, and 6. You are apply the Son to that which is speaking of our ONE GOD THE FATHER.

God is our Lord, and our God also made Jesus a lord unto us. We follow Jesus as our lord because he receives instructions from God our Lord. There are also going to be other appointed lords who follow Jesus, and when we follow these lords who follow Jesus who follows God our Lord, we are all one following God our Lord.

Pilgrim please READ CAREFULLY, 

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore god, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

This should really be your first OBVIOUS CLUE that the next passage would not be speaking of the one anointed above thy fellows by God.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

God anointed Jesus above his fellows, you don’t think an anointing is God bringing forth a change? You don’t think that being dead and then raised up to life receiving the promised Holy Spirit given for all eternity is not under going a change??? Psalms 89 tells you that God was going to MAKE him His firstborn, higher than all the kings.

Listen, 

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Lord who laid the foundation of the earth is He who folds them up and changes them, as He changed Jesus.

But Jesus out of his fellows is the only one chosen to sit at God’s right hand, until the enemies are thy footstool. 

Listen, 

Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Listen, 

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Pilgrim, Jesus is the man who receives dominion over the works of someone else’s hands. 

Listen, 

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every MAN (anthropos/HUMAN) in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, untill he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The Christ is not God, he is the HUMAN who God chose and anointed above his fellows to destroy all enemies so God could become all in all.

Pilgrim, the son of Jesse, the anointed, has NOT fulfilled all that he was anointed to do. This Son of Man is returning, and you are going to deny him because he’s not going to declare himself as God, but that of the lord and Christ that God made. When he returns he is going to raise up his fellows to be JOINT HEIRS with him, where they too will be heirs of God. 

He will be as who he is, the son of David who will sit on David’s throne ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, being a Son of God as his fellows, a firstborn of many, a Son ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT. 

[Jodi]

Hi Pilgrim,

So this is a bit troubling to me your reasoning of your perception of mine.

YOU: Where you are amiss is in saying Jesus only became the Son Of God at his baptism in water because the voice declared it. This does not hold up as a valid interpretation of scripture because the same voice said the same at the at the mount of Transfiguration, which on your interpretation would mean he was made the Son Of God a second time, which is plainly absurd. In addition I have pointed out to you and Gene he was called the Son Of God prior to his birth by the Angel Gabriel. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a Virgin (no seed of Adam involved) who was called Emmanuel from birth.

ME: You may want to reconsider your accusation of absurdity.

I don’t believe that Jesus became God’s Son at the river Jordan JUST BECAUSE God declared him to be His Son at that moment, but BECAUSE God had begotten him with the fullness of His Spirit at that moment.

Jesus became and then was declared that which he became. Just because it is declared again that Jesus is God’s beloved Son doesn’t mean he became God’s Son again, it means that he still was God’s Son, he was being declared that which he was.

You think that I think that Jesus is only considered to be God’s Son only at the moment that God is saying He is, and at the moment that God is not declaring it he is no longer the Son?? That is totally absurd, but seems to be what you are trying to say that I think.

When Jesus began to preach in Galilee he was God’s beloved Son. When he was healing the sick he was God’s beloved Son, etc… God declared Jesus to be His beloved Son when he was with Peter, James, and John when they went up the high mountain. Jesus was STILL God’s Son of whom God was well pleased with, God has every right to declare that which Jesus is whenever it pleases Him. When God declared that which he was on the mountain, God also told them to hear what this Son says.

If there was no begetting of God’s Spirit upon Jesus, an anointing, TO THEN BE SENT TO PREACH, there would have been NO SON for them to hear.

[Jodi]

Hi Pilgrim,

YOU: In addition I have pointed out to you and Gene he was called the Son Of God prior to his birth by the Angel Gabriel. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a Virgin (no seed of Adam involved) who was called Emmanuel from birth.

ME:

The virgin birth was for a sign unto the house of David, so that they would identify the son of David had come, the son according to God’s promises, where they believed he would be an eternal king of Israel. The prophecy of a virgin birth was for a SIGN, this is an example of you denying and writing your own word. You say the virgin birth was because God was making himself a Son. Such is not the given purpose for the virgin birth, and likewise God’s direct word was that He would make David’s son into His own Son. So first you have to have a son of David, then God makes him into His own Son. By a sign of a virgin birth God purposed this son of David to come. 

Luke directly tells you that the child to be born that is to be named Jesus WILL BE great and he WILL BE called the Son of the Highest, and that God will give to him the throne OF HIS FATHER DAVID. So the child IS already considered David’s son, but he is TO BE called the Son of the Highest.

The Holy Spirit came upon Mary so that she could conceive the promised son of David. It takes the power of God’s Spirit to perform the miracle of the sign that God promised. You are directly told in Matthew that Jesus is the son of Abraham and David according to being of the genes of their sons leading to Joseph. God’s promise to David was that of David’s sons there would come a son of whom God would make into His own Son.

Please explain as I am confused. The Son is said by others to have already existed and then was made flesh. The Son is also said to have been made of a combo of God’s Holy Spirit and Mary, so where does the already existing Son come into play in this second scenario?

You say no seed of Adam, however in Luke the genealogy links Jesus directly to ADAM, and then Adam is said to be the son of God. By such aren’t we all thus children of God through Adam.

Israel is called God’s son. Samuel is called God’s son. You are likewise told that those who love have been born of God. There are many fruits to God’s anointing Spirit, love, joy, peace, faith..etc., to which God begets us of those fruits according to His will.

The Comforter, the Holy Spirit, came to make men apostles, some prophets, some healers, etc. They were born of the Spirit of wisdom, or of powers, …etc. Those who are baptized in Jesus’s name are born of the Spirit of faith, which is considered unto them their righteousness and their worth to obtain the promise of eternal life (which is a promise of God being all in them for all eternity). Jesus was a son of God, but he became the ONLY mortal man to have received the Spirit not by measure, having God all in him, he was fully begotten of all the fruits and powers of God’s Spirit. Such is why Jesus the mortal man anointed in fullness is called the “only begotten (monogenes) Son of God”.

When Jesus shed his blood and died, through him our Father forgave us of our sins and gave us access to His Spirit, a promise of being fully begotten of His Spirit with eternal life. 

When Jesus was raised from the dead he received that promise first, he was begotten by God of the Spirit becoming a firstborn (prototokos) of MANY brethren with eternal life. 

[Lightenup]

Another of Jodi’s false teaching:

Regarding Hebrews 1:8

She said: “God called him a god, as He called Moses a god.“

The definite article is used before “theos” in Hebrews 1:8 therefore “a god” would be an incorrect translation, as seen here:

See the Strong’s definition for #3588:

[Pilgrim]

To LightenUp,

Yes I know Jodi is wrong. Thanks.

The whole Hebrews epistle is teaching how much greater the Son is than all that went before Him, greater than Abraham, or David or Joshua or Aaron or Moses or Angels even as he was before them all, the Lord from heaven. In the very beginning of the epistle it tells us that God spoke by His Son “by whom also he made the worlds;“. In Ps 45 from where the quote in Heb 1:8 is taken, the name is Elohim the very same as in Genesis 1:1 where it says “In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.”. All that is spoken in Hebrews 1:8-13 refers to the SON.

What a revelation was given to the blessed Apostles and prophets of the New Covenant who had the grace of God and received revelation by the Holy Spirit about things not made know in other ages. They quote OT scriptures in a way that Jewish thought concerning God and the Messiah couldn’t understand. I trust their understanding not Jodi’s.

Jesus was not made the Son of God by being anointed at Jordan. He was anointed to ministry as foretold in Isaiah 61 and as a sign to John Baptist that Jesus was the one who ”baptises with the Holy Ghost”. He was called and formed from the womb to be God’s servant to redeem Jew and Gentile.

There have only ever been two ‘men’, a first Man and a second Man, whose beginnings were by the direct hand of God, as declares the scripture, each a head of a different kind of generation. The one created by God, of the earth, earthy, the other begotten of God, spiritual, the Lord from heaven.

They were formed differently. One from the dust and breath of God, the other by the Holy Spirit, made of a Virgin woman. Each as the head of a generation. The one, ADAM, who through disobedience, brought in sin and death to mankind, generations of sinners. The other, Jesus Christ, the Lord from heaven clothed in humanity, through obedience, bringing redemption for sinners, and righteousness and eternal life to those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness. A single generation, one body, one church, a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ, a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:”. Two vastly different MEN. This is why the Apostle by revelation uses the terms first man and second Man, not first man and second Adam.

At Calvary He surely has “borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed”. He put to death, crucified the old man, the last of Adam’s sinful race. Christ was without sin, only being made sin so that we could be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Yes Jesus Christ had flesh and blood but was not of Adam. The lineage in Luke which takes us back to Adam is as being “the Son of God”and this is the reason it is included, to point to the fact that Jesus was the only other Man to come directly from God, another a unique Man. All other men and woman are conceived and born through normal reproduction and procreation. But not Adam and not Christ. Each a unique work of God, one of dust, a living soul, the other of Spirit, a quickening spirit, a spiritual Man, the Lord from heaven,  with a human body, flesh and blood to given him through Mary, redeem all sinners, Jews and Gentiles, and fulfil the promises made concerning the seed of Abraham, the seed of David, the seed of the Woman.

Blessed be God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ for this our Apostle and high Priest of the heavenly calling in whom we are blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies, “chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:“, which he purposed in himself according to his good pleasure, “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:”  (Ephesians 1:10)

Sadly Jodi and Gene pass over all the clear references to Christ coming from heaven, emptying himself and going ascending back to heaven to be glorified with the glory he had with the Father before the world was, after having fulfilled the Father’s will in the body God had prepared for Him in which he would be a one sufficient sacrifice for sin for ever and rise to receive and pour out the Spirit, and to come again to receive his own to himself.

The reference in Isaiah 7:14 to a sign had nothing to do with fulfilling his promise to David regarding his son. It was a sign to Ahaz.

I am so glad  I am born of the Spirit, the Spirit witnessing with my spirit that I am a son of God, whereby I cry ABBA, Father, now dead to the world and the world to me, free from the dominion of sin and Satan’s kingdom of darkness, no longer living the I life but Christ living in me, the one who loved me and washed me from my sins in his own blood, not frustrating the grace of God. A member of his body. Oh the glory of being purchased by the blood of God. Hallelujah.

[GeneBalthrop]

Pilgrim…..why would Jesus need to be “anointed” for anything,  if he was already,  A GOD? Have you ever thought of that?,  What would be the point of anointing a God with the Spirit of God? You people do not see Jesus as a man anointed with the Spirit of God, you see him as a GOD.

IF YOU SAY DIFFERENT you are simply lying. 

Jodi is apsolutely right in what she clearly has written,  LU trying to deface it, with her dance around the word ‘“thos”  is just another way to deny the truth, derive from simple and clear scriptures. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Lu,

You DENY what Jesus established clearly and then you DON’T apply it to Paul’s words. You turn and treat certain scriptures, Jesus’s own words mind you, as if they were spoken in vain, it’s truly unfortunate.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus sees himself as a god as the WORD OF GOD CAME TO him, which you are told by Jesus that he received the Spirit, an Anointing, to be SENT out into the world TO PREACH the WORD OF GOD, your are also told by John that he received the Spirit not by measure TO SPEAK GOD’S WORD.

As Jesus quotes God’s word by God’s command, he likewise believes in them. Jesus sees himself as a god because the word of God came to him, and he likewise sees himself thus also as a CHILD OF THE MOST HIGH, and being a man therefore he calls himself a Son of God. Jesus likewise knows that he is the ONLY CHILD fully begotten by God’s Spirit without measure.

He knows exactly where his GRACE and TRUTH comes from, the Spirit upon which he received. 

LU, it is clearly given to you by Jesus that Jesus is ONE of the gods, that makes him a god, and gives God every right to call His Son “Thy throne, O god, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”

And here you are again LU treating other passages as if they were spoken in VAIN, pointless to apply.

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. 

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the sceptre of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Psalms 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

No wonder Paul says, 

Romans 1 -4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, ACCORDING TO the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

 

[Berean]

Gene

..pourquoi Jésus aurait-il besoin d’être «oint» pour quoi que ce soit, s’il était déjà, UN DIEU? Avez-vous déjà pensé à cela?, À quoi servirait-il d’oindre un Dieu avec l’Esprit de Dieu? Vous ne voyez pas Jésus comme un homme oint de l’Esprit de Dieu, vous le voyez comme un DIEU.

 

Sur terre Jesus , bien qu’il soit de nature semblable à celle de Dieu le Père(Colossiens 2:9) a vécu dans un corps d’homme . Il ne s’est pas servi de ses pouvoirs divins pour assister ses faiblesses humaines naturelles de tous les hommes(boire, manger, se reposer, dormir)

Quand le diable l’a tenté en lui demandant de faire des pains avec ses pierres, il aurait pu faire cela, il avait ce pouvoir propre à lui même, mais il ne l’a pas fait car aussi il n’avait pas à démontrer au diable qu’il était le Fils de Dieu, car le diable le savait, il savait aussi qu’il était Dieu, né de Dieu avant tous les siècles…mais il simulait ne pas le savoir (si tu es LE FILS DE DIEU…)

 

[Berean]

Gene

.. why would Jesus need to be “anointed” for anything, if he was already, GOD? Have you ever thought about that ?, What would be the use of anointing a God with the Spirit of God? You do not see Jesus as an anointed man with the Spirit of God, you see him as GOD.

 

On earth Jesus, although of a nature similar to that of God the Father (Colossians 2: 9) lived in the body of a man. He did not use his divine powers to assist his natural human weaknesses of all men (drinking, eating, resting, sleeping)

When the devil tempted him by asking him to make loaves with  stones, he could have done that, he had this power of his own, but he did not do it because also he did not have to demonstrate to the devil that he was the Son of God, because the devil knew it, he also knew that he was God, born of God before all centuries … but he simulated not knowing it (if you are THE SON OF GOD … )

[Pilgrim]

Hi Berean,

How true your post is.

Tragically Jodi and Gene not only don’t see that Jesus Christ was the “Lord from heaven”, but see Jesus the Second MAN as of the seed of fallen Adam, a second ADAM, and only becoming the Son Of God at Jordan when he was anointed with the Holy Spirit, with the full measure of the Spirit. This is a different MAN to that which the scriptures testify to.

Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost, declared to be the Son Of God by the Angel Gabriel. We are informed that Jesus as a child “grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”  (Luke 2:40). Who at the age of 12 was already about his “Father’s business?” (Luke 2:49). Who “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52). On whom at Jordan “The Holy Spirit Of God descended” “like a dove” and abode on him (recorded in all 4 gospels), at which time a voice from heaven confirmed that this MAN was God’s Son. “Anointed above his fellows”, far above men of the old and the first of brethren of the new creation, which anointing demonstrated that this one was the Lamb Of God that takes away the sin of the world, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, and the baptiser with the Holy Ghost (not water). The anointing like a dove being an identifying sign to John the Baptist that that which God had promised him, by which he was to know Him “who baptises with the Holy Spirit” that “this is the Son of God” (John 1: 29-34). A proclamation of the divine Sonship of Jesus, the anointing showing the legitimacy of his Messiahship to the nation of Israel, and that this Son of MAN (not a Son Adam) was he whom “God the Father sealed” (John 6:27).

This MAN was led (driven) by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil under the most extreme conditions among wild beasts (not like the first Man, ADAM & EVE, in a luxurious garden). This MAN resisted the Devil, responding as God’s true man, answering the Devil as Adam should have, “it is written, Man shall …”, “it is written, thou shall worship… “ It is written, thou shalt not…”. After the Devil left him, not able to deceive him or cause him to sin like that first MAN, Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee.

This Man being without sin could not die, for death is the punishment for sin. He died as God’s Lamb to pay the price for our sins, not his own, for those who have the Adamic (old MAN) nature, to redeem them out of that fallen creation, from all iniquity. “Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man”.

Why did the SON (the Lord from heaven) take on flesh and blood and become human? “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”. “verily he this Lord from heaven) took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.“

And he gloriously arose, not seeing corruption, like David or Abraham or Adam who did indeed see corruption. “God hath made that same Jesus, whom” the Jews and Gentiles, “crucified, both Lord and Christ”. Now the redeemed, reconciled and saved humanity rise with Christ, sit in Christ their life in the heavenlies, free from the wrath of God, delivered from the dominion of sin, from the headship of the devil, from this present evil world, and living in this world soberly, righteously and godly, in newness Of life, partakers with Christ, being of the Son’s household, to be eventually clothed with our house from above, a new body like unto his glorious body, in the New Jerusalem, in the new earth and heavens, where there is “no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it”, yea verily “for the glory of God does lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof”. This to come after Christ the Son has wrapped up the old heavens and earth.

“No man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the (sealed) book, neither to look thereon”, but “behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, (yes HE) hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof” who is the “Lamb as it had been slain“. And we are reliably and verily informed that “Every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them” shall worship “Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever”. Yea, “God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father”.

This is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. To this Jesus, the Christ, the Son Of God, who is divine (the Lord from heaven) and human (made of a woman, flesh and blood). Three in heaven testify to it, three on earth testify to it. “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.”  1 John 5:10-11.

What a glorious gospel is the gospel of God concerning “Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”. He who ascended back where he was before at the right hand of God, as the WORD and the LORD and the Christ, God’s Son and true MAN.

[Pilgrim]

So writes John Gill:

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,…. By whom is meant, the third person in the Trinity; so called, to distinguish him from all other spirits; and who was given to Christ as man, without measure, whereby he was qualified for his great work: and intends the Spirit of Jehovah, with all his gifts and graces, who was, and abode on Christ, as a Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, of counsel and of might, of knowledge, and of the fear of the Lord; he was upon him, and in him, the first moment of his conception, which was by his power; and he visibly descended on him at his baptism; and the phrase denotes the permanency and continuance of him with him:

because he hath anointed me; or “that he might anoint me”: the Ethiopic version renders it, “by whom he hath anointed me”; for it was with the Holy Ghost he was anointed, as to be king and priest, so likewise to be a prophet: hence he has the name Messiah, which signifies anointed: and this unction he had, in order

to preach the Gospel to the poor: in Isaiah it is, “to the meek”; which design the same persons, and mean such as are poor in spirit, and are sensible of their spiritual poverty; have low and humble thoughts of themselves, and of their own righteousness; and seek to Christ for durable riches and true righteousness, and frankly acknowledge that all they have and are, is owing to the grace of God:

he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted; whose hearts are broken, and made contrite by the word of God, under the influence of the Spirit of God, and with a sense of sin; and are wounded with it, and are humbled for it; and are in great pain and distress, and even inconsolable, and ready to faint and die; for a wounded spirit who can bear?

to preach deliverance to the captives; who are captives to sin, Satan, and the law; from which, there is only deliverance by him; who saves his people from their sins, redeems them from the law, and leads captivity captive;

and recovering of sight to the blind; which in the prophet is, “and the opening of the prison to them that are bound”; and which the Septuagint render, as here in Luke, and the Chaldee paraphrase in part agrees with it, interpreting it thus, “to the prisoners”, לנהור אתגלו, “be ye revealed to the light” now because persons in prison are in darkness, and see no light, therefore they are represented as blind; and both are the case of sinners, they are in the prison of sin and of the law, and are blind, ignorant, and insensible of their state;

To set at liberty them that are bruised: these words are not in Isa 61:1 but in the Septuagint version of Isa 58:6 from whence they seem to be taken, or else from Isa 42:7 it being allowable for a reader in the prophets, to skip from place to place, which our Lord here did, in order to explain this passage more fully.

Blessings, Christ does all these.

[GeneBalthrop]

Pilgrim…and Berean….. JESUS WAS THE ONLY “MAN” who was able to open the seals. Get it , the “only” Man, found that could open them.  Not some other God or Angel that could open them,  as you falsely believe. John was crying because,  “no “MAN” in heaven or earth was found, but was told the “SON OF  MAN”,  Jesus, could open the seals, who STILL existed as the Lamb of God, who was the “of” the root and offspring of King David. A 100 % pure human being. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

 

[Berean]

Gene

ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO COMES FROM THE FATHER OF LIGHTS CAN REVEAL YOU WHO IS REALLY JESUS

Mathew

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

The devil did not say pray to your God for these stones become bread BUT COMMAND ….THAT   THESE   STONES   BE   MADE   BREAD

The devil knew that Jesus have power in himself to made bread, and he wanted Christ to use his divine power contrary to the will of the Father;

If Jesus had been tempted by making stones from the loaves, he could no longer be the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world;

The Christ was not to use his divinity to support himself because to be our example in all things he had to live as a man must live in submission to the will of God (his law)

[Berean]

Hi Pilgrim

Thank you for the beautiful overview of Jesus that you show us through your posts
God bless you

[GeneBalthrop]

Berean…… The Devil was trying to decieve him, as you are us, to believe that Jesus had the power “himself”  to do it, but what did Jesus say ,  “man” ( as he was ) “does not live on bread alone”, but every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God”. That included Jesus. 

He also said this, “the son of man” (as he  was) “can do “nothing” ‘OF” himself”. 

But then again the question is,  do you people “truly”, believe Jesus? 

Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

[Berean]

Gene

your answer is not an answer…….who is standing
if Jesus was purely human he could not make stones from the loaves and therefore he could not be tempted …
It is precisely because he potentially had the power to make bread that the devil, knowing it, tempted him;

 

[carmel]

Hi Berean,

Excellent

if Jesus was purely human he could not make stones from the loaves and therefore he could not be tempted …
It is precisely because he potentially had the power to make bread that the devil, knowing it, tempted him;

Allow me HUMBLY to give you another perception!

SATAN KNEW THAT JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH!

HE ALSO KNEW THAT THE MESSIAH’S  FOOD WAS 

SOULS 

THUS SATAN SAID TO JESUS THAT IF HE WANTS SOULS,

HE MUST TURN THE STONES INTO BREAD, SIMPLY AS 

HUMAN SOULS WERE OF STONES 

THE HEART OF STONES

OF WHICH HEARTS 

JESUS REPLACED BY HIS

ON THE CROSS!

Ezakiel 36:26 And I will give you a new heart,

and put a new spirit within you: and

I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh,

and will give you a heart of flesh.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[Ed J]

Jodi,

Can you or anyone else tell me how you get color added. I have tried but have been unable to

[Pilgrim]

Ed J,

there is text colour palette on the dropdown from the options bar at the top (the rectangles with dotes in it).

Colours don’t always show once posted depending on the device used.

 

 

[Ed J]

These are the rectangles I see:

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