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Nick,
You see. Then, the remnant of Truth is growing in you.
You correctly state the one and only thing that you know. And you used more than one line. Well done.
However, you did not compound the response that t8 was after.
Begotten, adding to SK's post, also means, 'Taken up', 'Adopted (Spiritually, figuratively, familially)', 'Become Firstborn/Raised above [another] in Rank'.
Jesus was 'Begotten' in ALL those ways in his life, from his birth in flesh through Mary (Born of), to his anointment at the river Jordan (Begotten as future King), to his being raised from the dead (Begotten from the dead, raised above flesh into Spirit), and 'Begotten', raised in rank, adopted as Spiritual Son of God (Just as Isaac, figuratively died and was figuratively raised again to Abraham, to become Abraham's ONLY [Begotten/raised up/made firstborn by rank] Son, yet we know he had Ishmael first-born by birth, and several others after.)
“Born”, carries few other meanings other than 'carried into the life'.
Begotten is, as far as i see, only used of the Male. Born, is used for both male and female. Therefore it summises to say that 'Begotten' has special emphasise and meaning over and above, 'Man Born':The Father, over 'Man Born':The Mother.Quote (seekingtruth @ July 13 2010,05:02) The dictionary says:
born 1:brought forth by birth. or 2:possessing from birth the quality, circumstances, or character stated.
Examples:
Born #1 – and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus
Born #2 – children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
be·get 1:(esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
Example:
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.I believe this verse contains all three meanings:
But when the time had fully come, God sent his (begotten) Son, born of a woman(born #1), born under law(born#2)Jesus was begotten before all things, then born of a woman when the time was right.
My opinion
Wm
ST………..You have it exactly right, Begotten is when impregnation takes place then 9 months later birth takes place. It 's just that simple no need to need to keep running around chasing our tails. It is simple we need to keep it simple, all who have been given God's Holy Spirit are (Begotten) of GOD and when the resurrection takes place we will be born of God, and love for ever. Simple and clear there was no need to makes it difficult.John said a person begotten of GOD (KEEP) himself and does not (practice) sin because Gods seed (impregnation) is (IN) him and he can not (practice) sinning. But to say we are completely Perfect Now is not true because of sin that is in our bodies as Paul brought out, so indeed we are all hoping for that righteousness to come at out berths into the kingdom of GOD with our new bodies where no sin can dwell. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
GENE, Gene, gene,
How contrary…
First you say 'Begotten' means when the egg is impregnated..nothing more…keep it simple…
Then you launch into complex theology about the same 'Begotten'…. How, why?JA…………Waht can be more simple then what i and ST said . Let me clarify it for you OK, WE ARE IMPREGNATED WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND WHEN WERE ARE RESURRECTED WITH NEW BODIES AT THE RESURRECTION WE ARE THE BORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. The is nothing complex about it Just simple logic will suffice JA>
You ask How , BY GOD, giving us His Spirit (holy seed).
You ask why , Because GOD wants Childern born unto him.
whats complicated about that?
peace and love………………….gene
This is the gospel – The death of Jesus removed the barrier, this allowed God to place His seed within us (begot) that begins a process that completes at the resurrection where the seed that was sown brings forth (birth) our spiritual body.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.I personally believe that this birthing process (the lives we live) affect the splendor of our spiritual body.
40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.I believe this parable best states how the seed is sown and received, rejected by some, poorly handled by others, and bearing great return for the faithful.
11″This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.My opinion – Wm
Gene,
So “Begotten” to you means ONLY:
Born of God at the resurrection”Well, if you put it so plainly, so concisely, so succinctly, then who can disagree with that much (NOT MikeBoll64 – for sure)
But then please explain the use of the word “Begotten” used elsewhere in Scriptures. This revelation of yours might help to clear up (!) some other anomalies.
Onesimus was “Begotten”, Son of Paul (Philemon 1)
Isaac was “Begotten”, Son of Abraham
David was “Begotten”, Son of GodPlease explain these and any others you know of.
Thank you.
Hi JA,
Come down from your pedestal.
Mocking and belittling is not a good look
Your ivory tower sermons are empty of substance.Nick,
How about you just answer the questions. Or perhaps you CAN'T!
You have your faults – I have mine – Right now mine is to mock you (in the absence of WJ – where is he?) poor sole, seeing that you tread the path of unrighteousness and mislead others. I am the signpost pointing back to salvation. You are not Spirit, You are a'sole only!
Nick,
What — No quip?
What — No Answer to “Begotten” – Isn't this what this thread is about?? What are doing posting here if you got nothing to post concerning the post.
Might as well stick your head in the ground. That would make a better Post.
Nick,
Just answer the question and quit stalling.Shall I repost the question (Not JA style) so you don't forget what it was?
Quote (JustAskin @ July 14 2010,02:35) Gene, So “Begotten” to you means ONLY:
Born of God at the resurrection”Well, if you put it so plainly, so concisely, so succinctly, then who can disagree with that much (NOT MikeBoll64 – for sure)
But then please explain the use of the word “Begotten” used elsewhere in Scriptures. This revelation of yours might help to clear up (!) some other anomalies.
Onesimus was “Begotten”, Son of Paul (Philemon 1)
Isaac was “Begotten”, Son of Abraham
David was “Begotten”, Son of GodPlease explain these and any others you know of.
Thank you.
JA…………In these things you posted there is the same thing taking place. Paul did indeed Beget (Oneself) in a spiritual sense , Paul was the first to bring the gospel to (Onesimus) So in that sense He did beget him or may it would be better to say GOD Begot (Onesimus) through Paul. However it still show a beginning point and is consistent with the word Begot. The same with Isaac he was indeed begotten by Abraham as well as GOD. That was His beginning point . David was also begotten of GOD He recieved the impregnation of GOD Spirit by the anointing he recieved. What is so difficult about this that you seem unable to figure it out. Begotten is the (Start) point of something, rather (ONLY) Uniquely or what ever. But Berth is the completion of the Process. What is the problem here?Why try to complicate something so simple to understand brother?
Simply put ……….Beget….> start point
Born……> Finish point
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
So Nick, all this time you had no idea what you were posting against… My my – This just goes to show that you don't actually post against a theme – You just choose a random quote and type it in.
You really are sad.
You aren't even following the thread.
But …it's the one that Gene just posted the worst response ever to.
And Gene,
Just Askin isn't trying to “Figure out£ the Scripture verses. I already know – i have written loads in this forum – How strange that you seem not to have seen any of them but them Amnesia is pervasive in this forum.
I'm thinking of starting a pay-for Class on Scriptures. Any takers?
I wanted to know what others thought, in particular, the person who posted the original post to which I was responding.
Hi JA,
All who are used in giving the Spirit to others beget them-eg Onesimus was begotten by Paul.David and Isaac were also given by God a share in the Spirit of Christ.[1Peter1]
Acts 26
“Brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you that fear God, to us has been sent the message of this salvation. For those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers, because they did not recognize him nor understand the utterances of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled these by condemning him. Though they could charge him with nothing deserving death, yet they asked Pilate to have him killed. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead; and for many days he appeared to those who came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people. And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, 'Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee.' And as for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, he spoke in this way, 'I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David.' Therefore he says also in another psalm, 'Thou wilt not let thy Holy One see corruption.' For David, after he had served the counsel of God in his own generation, fell asleep, and was laid with his fathers, and saw corruption; but he whom God raised up saw no corruption. Let it be known to you therefore, brethren, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him every one that believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses. Beware, therefore, lest there come upon you what is said in the prophets: 'Behold, you scoffers, and wonder, and perish; for I do a deed in your days, a deed you will never believe, if one declares it to you.'”
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