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Quote (JustAskin @ July 11 2010,02:48) Oxy, Can you understand you own sentence.
Use another relational element in place of 'The Holy Spirit'. Try 'Son'?
“The Son is the Son of God whom the Father sent. Can God send himself?”, is how your sentence now reads.
Oxy, notice anything?
JA please excuse me for saying that what you wrote is ridiculous and defies reason.The Holy Spirit is not the Son, or the Father for that matter. If the Holy Spirit was the Son, why is He called the Holy Spirit and not just the Son, and likewise, if the Holy Spirit is the Father, why is the Holy Spirit mentioned? Why not just say the Father? The Holy Spirit is mentioned because He is not the Father, and He is not the Son, but He is the Holy Spirit whom Jesus promised would be sent from His Father on His return to Heaven.
Joh 15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2010,20:08) Hi Oxy,
Jesus told his brothers he and the Father would come to them.
This happened at Pentecost.
The Holy Spirit came to them at Pentecost Nick. The Son had returned to His Father by then.So how does that work? The Holy Spirit who is the spirit of Christ and of the Father came to the disciples at Pentecost, but isn't seperate from the Father and/or the Son, but comes to earth and the Father and Son are in Heaven and……….. Yeah, I'm confused.
Oxy………..The Holy Spirit (special Intellect) of GOD is (IN) Jesus and is from GOD the Father and (IN) All who have that same Spirit (intellect) (IN) them. The Holy spirit is the common denominator given to all God's Childern , That is the exact same spirit that was and is (IN) Jesus. That is what the (CHRISTOS) is it is the anointing of that spirit that Jesus recieved at the Jordan river. GOD the Father is Spirit and indwell His creation vicariously through His spirit. God was literally (IN) Jesus bu the Spirit He gave Him, He can be in us the same way also.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Special Intellect? Is that to say you don't recognise the person of the Holy Spirit who is able to hear and speak? Who has a voice? Who can comfort?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 11 2010,18:08) Hi Oxy,
Jesus told his brothers he and the Father would come to them.
This happened at Pentecost.
Hi Nick,Yes (John 14:23)! (Click Here)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Oxy @ July 11 2010,18:21) So how does that work? The Holy Spirit who is the spirit of Christ and of the Father came to the disciples at Pentecost, but isn't seperate from the Father and/or the Son, but comes to earth and the Father and Son are in Heaven and……….. Yeah, I'm confused.
Hi Oxy,Don't be confused read this thread…
Forum » BELIEVERS PLACE » Truth or Tradition? » Pentecost was Jesus second coming
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:18) Yeah, had a quick look at that thread, but don't we have enough differences of opinion here?
Hi Oxy,What's that suppose to mean?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 12 2010,20:37) Quote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:18) Yeah, had a quick look at that thread, but don't we have enough differences of opinion here?
Hi Oxy,What's that suppose to mean?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I guess I'm just growing weary of the meaningless discussions that keep going round and round in circles with nothing achievedQuote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:43) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2010,20:37) Quote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:18) Yeah, had a quick look at that thread, but don't we have enough differences of opinion here?
Hi Oxy,What's that suppose to mean?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I guess I'm just growing weary of the meaningless discussions that keep going round and round in circles with nothing achieved
Hi oxy,You mean like comparing soul, body and spirit to a trinity?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,18:34) Ed, there's a lot I don't know, but there are some things I do know. I will not deny the things the Lord has taught me through the Scriptures. And when I say He taught me, that's EXACTLY what He did. He showed me where to go and explained what I was reading. This is not unusual as it has happened quite a number of times over the years.
This may or may not be true. But we all need to crucify ourselves more so that he can live in us more.We seem to all be at different stages. Part our will, part God's will. We need to be heading in the direction of all God's will.
I can tell you now that myself and yourself have a way to go. I know that you believe somethings that are not scriptural, and I am trying to find out what I believe that is not true in order to gain more truth.
I am also aware that you have been taught some truth that is clear and plain to see, but you have rejected it in favor of a certain doctrine that has you blinded.
You know what? The truth sets us free. Let us all make an effort to let truth be truth and let's all be slaves to truth, rather than trying to be the truth.
Jesus said he was the truth, but too many people think they are the truth and they need to repent.
Quote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:43) Quote (Ed J @ July 12 2010,20:37) Quote (Oxy @ July 12 2010,18:18) Yeah, had a quick look at that thread, but don't we have enough differences of opinion here?
Hi Oxy,What's that suppose to mean?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I guess I'm just growing weary of the meaningless discussions that keep going round and round in circles with nothing achieved
If you are waiting for everyone to land on the Trinity, you will not see it. Jesus said “who do people say I am”. Peter said, “You are the Christ and the son of God”. Jesus said, “upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”.So as you can see, Peter didn't say that Jesus was God, rather that he was the son of God. This truth is what some here have already aligned with. I doubt that they will change to the “Jesus is God” doctrine because you think your words and argument are true regarding it.
Some people will always esteem scripture and Jesus words higher than that of yourself and others who preach your doctrine. That is the way it is. Not all will follow your way.
Jesus said “my sheep hear my voice”. Some people will listen to him over all men. You can't change that.
Anyway, has anyone learned the difference between born & begotten. If so, I would appreciate if you took the time to post the definitions in a simple and clear post.
Thanks.
The dictionary says:
born 1:brought forth by birth. or 2:possessing from birth the quality, circumstances, or character stated.
Examples:
Born #1 – and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus
Born #2 – children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
be·get 1:(esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
Example:
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.I believe this verse contains all three meanings:
But when the time had fully come, God sent his (begotten) Son, born of a woman(born #1), born under law(born#2)Jesus was begotten before all things, then born of a woman when the time was right.
My opinion
WmHi ST,
For our sake Jesus had to be a son of man born under the Law.
Then he could fulfill it and be an example to the Jews with the gentiles later given an opportunity for salvation too.
His anointing as the Son was at the Jordan and thence his ministry of power was to be the door for all men to follow him into such sonship by adoption.
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