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Hi BD,
John baptised for repentance telling them they should believe in the one coming after him, the Christ.[Acts19]Those who did were blessed but those who refused could not receive from Jesus[Lk 7.29-30]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,14:11) Hi BD,
He fulfilled his duty to God.
Do you find fault with his work?
The work of Jesus was to glorify God on earth which he completed while he was alive. Do you find fault with this fact?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,14:15) Hi BD,
John baptised for repentance telling them they should believe in the one coming after him, the Christ.[Acts19]Those who did were blessed but those who refused could not receive from Jesus[Lk 7.29-30]
John baptized for the remission of sins, that is a fact.Mark 1:4-5 (King James Version)
4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Proverbs 28:12-14If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:8-10(No Blood)
DB………Your are right (after) GOD the Father has applied the Sacrifice of Jesus to our live for the forgiveness of our Sins, once we accept that sacrifice , (THEN) we can approach the Throne of GRACE and Find Help in our time of Need. “For you are brought with a Price”, do you understand what that Purchase Price WAS. Jesus is even (NOW) pictured as the LAMB of GOD as Slain before the throne of GOD according to revelations. On the one hand you say you believe Jesus and on the other you reject His Sacrifice for our sins. Jesus plainly said (NO) Man can COME unto the FATHER except BY HIM> IMO
peace…………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 15 2009,08:17) Hi BD,
So if you realise you are a sinner you are lying?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:8-10We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 John 5:17-19Is Paul born of God?
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:14-16For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:13-15Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:16-18Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:19-21But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 7:22-24To all: In all my private Bible studies, I have come to the conclusion personally that God did not sacrifice his son, Jesus. It was a logical presumption that the same destruction that had happened to many others masters who came to earth would happen to Jesus. The religious world killed most of them. As BOD said who was the sacrifice for (who required it) and why was it necessary for a perfect man to die to reverse a free will choice made by Adam to believe or partake of good and evil.If sin entered the world by Adam believing in evil, then lets reverse that belief. If believing in good and evil brings death then maybe we should choose not to believe in evil! Like God said, “I set before you life and death, now you choose”! but choose life/good(a recomendation) that you may live!
I think Jesus made it clear before Pilot that his life was his to pick up or lay down. No one takes it away from him.
I believe Jesus thought that the masses of people that believed in the religious sacrifices were believing in and looking for a final lamb of God to be sacrificed. I believe he felt he could reach more people if he laid down his life the way he did. Like they try to do with all of Gods truth, they believed a sacrifice would physically happen instead of seeing it spiritually in his life on earth in symbolic form. Jesus felt if he laid down his life, physically, it would help save the masses of wrong thinking people. This was the greatest love ever!
The bottom line effect of Jesus life was teaching the truth of where the Kingdom of God is and when it would come.(past tense) It was his words which are the spirit of God coming through Jesus and dwelling within each person that accepts and believes. Man takes the words of Jesus, which is God and creates within himself a picture of God. You are what you choose to believe! However one believes and the words he chooses to accept as his truth, creates the God of his dreams. Some create a good God and some create a fearful God, its your choice.You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say!!! The same way it was with Adam in the beginning. God walks and talks and lives inside each of us AS WE ALLOW HIS WORDS to paint his picture. Do we see or perceive a God that sacrifices? A God of destruction? A God to fear? Or a God of infinite love that is unconditional. We call it truth and to each of us it is our truth. It is the way we have chosen to believe God is. If we ever grab hold of that truth it will erase many of our doctrines of destruction. See and hear the truth spiritually not physically. Stop counting physical resurrections and understand that Jesus is the resurrection. Enlightenment is resurrection to a new spirit understanding life. Stop trying to make spiritual symbolism fit into a physical fulfillment. IMO, Bless all, TKQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,20:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 15 2009,08:17) Hi BD,
So if you realise you are a sinner you are lying?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:8-10We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 John 5:17-19Is Paul born of God?
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:14-16For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:13-15Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:16-18Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:19-21But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 7:22-24
Hi BD,
Your hatred of Paul stems from your ignorance of the Spirit of Christ in him and in fact reflects hatred of God's Spirit.You somehow forgot the words of 1 Jn1 so if you must seek scriptural inconsistancy in defence of your false religion first attack John and not Paul. Perhaps this was your next plan?
But John too expresses deeper things than you can grasp pointing to reality in Ch1 as Paul does with his problem of sin yet LIVING IN HIM. John develops the theme of walking in Christ and the perfect freedom that BECOMING a son causes men to inherit.
You would perhaps be wiser to sit at the feet of the proven servants of God and learn of the ways of God revealed through them than to elevate yourself above them and their righteous and holy God who speaks though them and somehow attempt to sit in judgement over Him.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 24 2009,22:09) To all: In all my private Bible studies, I have come to the conclusion personally that God did not sacrifice his son, Jesus. It was a logical presumption that the same destruction that had happened to many others masters who came to earth would happen to Jesus. The religious world killed most of them. As BOD said who was the sacrifice for (who required it) and why was it necessary for a perfect man to die to reverse a free will choice made by Adam to believe or partake of good and evil.If sin entered the world by Adam believing in evil, then lets reverse that belief. If believing in good and evil brings death then maybe we should choose not to believe in evil! Like God said, “I set before you life and death, now you choose”! but choose life/good(a recomendation) that you may live!
I think Jesus made it clear before Pilot that his life was his to pick up or lay down. No one takes it away from him.
I believe Jesus thought that the masses of people that believed in the religious sacrifices were believing in and looking for a final lamb of God to be sacrificed. I believe he felt he could reach more people if he laid down his life the way he did. Like they try to do with all of Gods truth, they believed a sacrifice would physically happen instead of seeing it spiritually in his life on earth in symbolic form. Jesus felt if he laid down his life, physically, it would help save the masses of wrong thinking people. This was the greatest love ever!
The bottom line effect of Jesus life was teaching the truth of where the Kingdom of God is and when it would come.(past tense) It was his words which are the spirit of God coming through Jesus and dwelling within each person that accepts and believes. Man takes the words of Jesus, which is God and creates within himself a picture of God. You are what you choose to believe! However one believes and the words he chooses to accept as his truth, creates the God of his dreams. Some create a good God and some create a fearful God, its your choice.You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say!!! The same way it was with Adam in the beginning. God walks and talks and lives inside each of us AS WE ALLOW HIS WORDS to paint his picture. Do we see or perceive a God that sacrifices? A God of destruction? A God to fear? Or a God of infinite love that is unconditional. We call it truth and to each of us it is our truth. It is the way we have chosen to believe God is. If we ever grab hold of that truth it will erase many of our doctrines of destruction. See and hear the truth spiritually not physically. Stop counting physical resurrections and understand that Jesus is the resurrection. Enlightenment is resurrection to a new spirit understanding life. Stop trying to make spiritual symbolism fit into a physical fulfillment. IMO, Bless all, TK
That was very well written and very accurate as I said in a post yesterday the scriptures are written in Layers it is like the tree of knowledge itself.Hebrews 5:7 (New King James Version)
7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,
some simply do not want to really see and you were very right about what you said about
Quote I believe he felt he could reach more people if he laid down his life the way he did. Like they try to do with all of Gods truth, they believed a sacrifice would physically happen instead of seeing it spiritually in his life on earth in symbolic form. Jesus felt if he laid down his life, physically, it would help save the masses of wrong thinking people. This was the greatest love ever! Luke 17:36-37 (New International Version)
37″Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”Matthew 24:28 (New International Version)
28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,04:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,20:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 15 2009,08:17) Hi BD,
So if you realise you are a sinner you are lying?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:8-10We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 John 5:17-19Is Paul born of God?
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
1 Timothy 1:14-16For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:13-15Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:16-18Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:19-21But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Romans 7:22-24
Hi BD,
Your hatred of Paul stems from your ignorance of the Spirit of Christ in him and in fact reflects hatred of God's Spirit.You somehow forgot the words of 1 Jn1 so if you must seek scriptural inconsistancy in defence of your false religion first attack John and not Paul. Perhaps this was your next plan?
But John too expresses deeper things than you can grasp pointing to reality in Ch1 as Paul does with his problem of sin yet LIVING IN HIM. John develops the theme of walking in Christ and the perfect freedom that BECOMING a son causes men to inherit.
You would perhaps be wiser to sit at the feet of the proven servants of God and learn of the ways of God revealed through them than to elevate yourself above them and their righteous and holy God who speaks though them and somehow attempt to sit in judgement over Him.
How is it that I hate Paul, I provided you with scriptures without any commentary mostly scriptures that Paul wrote himself, can you really be upset with me for what Paul wrote about himself?Hi BD,
You hate Christ in Paul.
You hate God in Christ and Paul.Why come here to attempt to put cuckoos eggs in the nest?
Or are they serpent's eggs?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,06:30) Hi BD,
You hate Christ in Paul.
You hate God in Christ and Paul.Why come here to attempt to put cuckoos eggs in the nest?
Or are they serpent's eggs?
Do you believe in the verses that Paul wrote?How is it that I hate God in Christ? Because you believe that God is Christ? He's not, Nick. Jesus is a Man approved by God and he did miracles with the permission of God and since that's true God can approve whomever He wants but you believe that God needs the permission or sacrifice of His creation to act with Mercy or Compassion.
How much will you stray from the Truth?
Hi BD,
You hate God in Paul.
I believe in the words of all the anointed ones of God.You man had no such anointing
BD………I do not recall Nick saying Jesus was GOD. Nick does not believe that. IMO
peace and love……………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,10:50) Hi BD,
You hate God in Paul.
I believe in the words of all the anointed ones of God.You man had no such anointing
You love God in Paul more than God?God said that circumcision was a sign a token IN THE FLESH, Paul did not say God told him any different, did he?
God did say that they should also circumsize their heart but he did not say that circumsizing the heart was a substitute for physical circumcision.
Deuteronomy 10:15-17 (King James Version)
15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Genesis 17:10-12 (King James Version)
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Luke 2:20-22Now if a child conceived of The Holy Spirit is circumcized how is it Paul puts it away by opinion to others?
Quote (Gene @ Nov. 25 2009,10:54) BD………I do not recall Nick saying Jesus was GOD. Nick does not believe that. IMO peace and love……………….gene
I didn't think Nick believed that either but he makes Jesus a stumbling block and not a corner stone. He puts my love of God behind his love of Jesus whereas he makes Jesus as his God instead of Christ.I glorify God and he says I must glorify Jesus who said I must glorify God almighty. I follow the instructions of Jesus to glorify God, he Follows Jesus and it seems he never glorifies God.
Find one post that Nick says, “Glory to God” or “Praise God”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 25 2009,11:22) Hi BD,
God through Paul told us that baptism was the new circumcision.[Col]
Acts 16:1-3 (King James Version)Acts 16
1Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:2Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
3Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek
Then why did he “go against God” and circumcize Timothy?
Nick, you are arguing against Christian scriptures. You can't complain in this post about Muhammad or the Quran because the evidence is right in your face and in the scriptures you told me have to be correct, so if you are correct then please admit the hypocrisy at least in this one instance.
“Heaven” , even said that is what this forum is about and why we can't delete posts so we can admit defeat when we are defeated so we can move along.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,09:06) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2009,10:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,05:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:19) Hi BD,
He was given all authority.
He gave that authority to others.
I agree with you, he forgave sins before the cross without shedding any blood in-factJohn the baptist was baptizing for the REMISSION of sins without any blood.
Are you trying to understand why Jesus had to die on the cross?God tells us that the wages of sin is death and that the one who does not sin will live forever and yet Jesus died.
In putting Jesus to death this world was condemned for being unjust.
John 16:6-11(NIV) reads:
Quote Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
So putting Jesus to death condemned the world even though Jesus said he did not come to condemn the world and he forgave those who put him to death?
bodhitharta wrote:Quote I did not state Jesus came to condemn the world. He came to save it by condemning sin to sinful man and so provided a way for man to escape this world of sin.
Romans 8:1-4(NIV) reads:
Quote Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Those who believe in Jesus and so obey all he teaches are rescued from this world.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 25 2009,13:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,09:06) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2009,10:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2009,05:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 24 2009,05:19) Hi BD,
He was given all authority.
He gave that authority to others.
I agree with you, he forgave sins before the cross without shedding any blood in-factJohn the baptist was baptizing for the REMISSION of sins without any blood.
Are you trying to understand why Jesus had to die on the cross?God tells us that the wages of sin is death and that the one who does not sin will live forever and yet Jesus died.
In putting Jesus to death this world was condemned for being unjust.
John 16:6-11(NIV) reads:
Quote Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
So putting Jesus to death condemned the world even though Jesus said he did not come to condemn the world and he forgave those who put him to death?
bodhitharta wrote:Quote I did not state Jesus came to condemn the world. He came to save it by condemning sin to sinful man and so provided a way for man to escape this world of sin.
Romans 8:1-4(NIV) reads:
Quote Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Those who believe in Jesus and so obey all he teaches are rescued from this world.
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Proverbs 10:11-13That is because of Love not Blood
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