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  • #795084
    Ed J
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    Jesus says seek and you shall find if the cross is/was the end of the story what would there be to seek?

    Hi BD,

    The cross is not the end of the story, but the beginning.
    If you reject the beginning (The Passover), then there
    can be no “spiritual re-birth” Pentecost) for you.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #795086
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You say you adhere to Jesus words, but you do not.
    Jesus said: the prophets were until John, and
    since then the kingdom of God is preached.

    Now who do you believe?

    Jesus?
    or
    Muhammad?

    #795087
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Who are you a follower of?

    Jesus
    or
    Muhammad?

    #795088
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Jesus says seek and you shall find if the cross is/was the end of the story what would there be to seek?

    Hi BD,

    The cross is not the end of the story, but the beginning.
    If you reject the beginning (Passover), there can
    be no spiritual re-birth (Pentecost).

    Praise God! The Passover is what? The angel of Death passing over the Firstborn sons such as Jesus

    You say that Jesus is the Passover Lamb? Is bruising and injury acceptable with Passover Lamb?

    Exodus 12

    5Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,

    Also a Human cannot qualify as a Sacrifice because: English Standard Version
    (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every male who first opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord”)

    Numbers 18:15
    Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the Lord, whether it be of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.

    #795089
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You are wrong.

    The whole of scripture testifies against your idea

    #795090
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI EDJ

    Hi BD,

    You say you adhere to Jesus words, but you do not.
    Jesus said: the prophets were until John, and
    since then the kingdom of God is preached.

    Now who do you believe?

    Jesus?
    or
    Muhammad?

    Is Jesus a Prophet and if so is he preached after John. The fact is the Jewish Prophets end there and it is true since then the Kingdom of God is Preached.

    I believe Jesus and Muhammad but above ALL I believe God for God knows best, you are still at the polytheistic stage of wanting to worship a man of one sort or another both of these Prophets peace be upon them are merely servants of God….even if a person thinks highly of any one of the prophets or lowly of any one of them they are still servants EVERYTHING in CREATION is SUBSERVIENT to GOD MOST HIGH

    #795091
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    You are wrong.

    The whole of scripture testifies against your idea

    Specifics would be nice….you are just “there is no this, there is no that” God has not left you empty handed or without resource to show and prove has He?

    #795092
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Have you not read scripture?

    Jesus of Nazareth was crucified and died?

     

    Do you need help finding these truths? no you should be ok.

    #795093
    Ed J
    Participant

    Jesus says seek and you shall find if the cross is/was the end of the story what would there be to seek?

    Hi BD,

    The cross is not the end of the story, but the beginning.
    If you reject the beginning (Passover), there can
    be no spiritual re-birth (Pentecost).

    (1)Praise God! The Passover is what? (2)The angel of Death passing over the Firstborn sons such as Jesus

    (3)You say that Jesus is the Passover Lamb? (4)Is bruising and injury acceptable with Passover Lamb?

    Exodus 12

    5Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old.

    Hi BD,

    1) “The Passover” is the lamb’s blood put on the door to protect the children of Israel from the curse of death.

    2) Adam is the firstborn in the embodiment you are suggesting – Jesus was made as the second (adam) Man.

    3) That is what Scripture says:
    “But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1Peter 1:19)

    4) The Scripture says “without blemish” you cannot change the words and then claim it’s wrong

    5) Trying to use “The Bible” to prove the bible wrong is (in my opinion) idiotic.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #795094
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    The lies you have been fed contradict the history provided by God and his witnesses.

    You may think you are greater than God and His witnesses

    but you are the only one who does

    #795096
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi EDJ

    1) “The Passover” is the lamb’s blood put on the door to protect the children of Israel from the curse of death.

    2) Adam is the firstborn in the embodiment you are suggesting – Jesus was made as the second (adam) Man.

    3) That is what Scripture says:
    “But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1Peter 1:19)

    4) The Scripture says “without blemish” you cannot change the words and then calim it’s wrong

    5) Trying to use “The Bible” to prove the bible wrong is (in my opinion) idiotic.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    Thank you, for engaging in a proper way. Okay so you are saying that Jesus is this lamb to not block the curse of physical death but of spiritual death, correct?

    You regard without blemish as without sin and not without physical blemish is that Correct?

    You also think the scriptures cannot be used to prove that understanding of the scriptures are wrong, is that correct?

    Well, as I said I commend you on at least presenting an argument unlike Nick who just says “you are wrong” with seldom any foundation.

    First of all Jesus said may the will of God be done on earth as it is in Heaven, The entire NT is about Jesus arguing the meaning of the scriptures so what you say is idiotic makes up a large portion of the ministry of Jesus. In-fact he said you must be more righteous than the scribes.

    Now regarding the precious blood of Christ is the blood more precious when it is the living or when it is in the dead? The Life is IN THE BLOOD of the LIVING is it not?

    Revelation 16:3
    And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

    #795098
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Do you get a lot of pleasure twisting and denying the Holy scriptures?

    Is it a good feeling to challenge the Holy Lord God of Israel?

    How long do you think you will get away with it?

    #795099
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    Do you get a lot of pleasure twisting and denying the Holy scriptures?

    Is it a good feeling to challenge the Holy Lord God of Israel?

    How long do you think you will get away with it?

    Medicine sometimes has a bad taste but it makes you well once you get it down without throwing it up.

    Those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book do not like, nor do the polytheists, that the good should be sent down to you from your Lord, and Allah chooses especially whom He pleases for His mercy, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.

    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #105)

    #795100
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    Genesis 5
    …22Then Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah, and he had other sons and daughters. 23So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

    I assume you see this as meaning Enoch lived according to the Spirit for only those who do so and as a result do not sin live a Spiritual life.

    I do not see the same thing. I see a man of faith whom pleased God that God chose him to ascend to heaven. I do not see a man that stopped sinning though that was his desire.

    We are not told much about Enoch but Scripture testifies Noah walked with God as well.

    #795102
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Kerwin,

    Could it be that God took Enoch to heaven in order to write a book from the heavenly realms in which Enoch claims to be the Son of Man? and could it be that Jesus Christ is the very reincarnation of Enoch since he too is the Son of Man? For even the brother of Jesus,the holy St.Jude testifies of Enoch and perhaps even John the Baptist was a reincarnation of  the holy Elijah who also flew to the heavenly realms?

    #795105
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Nobody should deliberately swallow poison and disperse it to others should they?

     

    #795106
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Took him to heaven?

    A major assumption.

     

    God was with him as He is with all His servants.

    #795107
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi Andrew,

    Reincarnation is of the world and usually is applied to demonic behaviour.

     

    #795111
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Nick,

    Reincarnation is a theory and not a behavior.I’m not saying John the Baptist and Jesus were definitely reincarnated but it is a viable theory.Many Jews and Christians believe in reincarnation.

    And since Enoch was the seventh from Adam this prefigures the heavenly sabbath rest which finds its fulfillment in Christ.

    And many have surmised that even that physical antichrist which you hope for,is the reincarnation of Judas-being the Son of Perdition.

    #795112
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    The Spirit of God can inhabit a man.

    Demonic spirits do.

     

    But there is no scripture that says the spirit of one man can enter another.

    There are fools everywhere who believe foolish things,

     

    But we should be governed by what is revealed on spiritual matters. Do you agree?

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