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hi
i have a question to those that believe that Israel of today is a nation built by God almighty
I would like to know this ;how is it that a men made nation (Israel)an nation that is a democracy not a theocracy,and so rejected the rules of law of God ,also rejected the new covenant between the son of God and any men that believes in him and so rejected the very righteousness of God and so Israel lives by the wickedness of the world ;and yet some of so called christian denominations make that nation the pivot within God’s plan ??? how do they come to that ???
I don’t think anyone is saying that Israel is a nation after God. But that God hasn’t given up on the Jews and after WWII and the holocaust, he brought them back from the four corners of the globe to dwell in the land once more and to possess Jerusalem just as he said he would. This small desert region has become a garden in the sense of the fruits it produces and the people speak Hebrew which God also said would happen.
This he has done for a purpose as we see Israel in scripture in the last days and even Armageddon is fought on the land of Israel.
We are also told that the dragon will pursue her and all who keep the commandments of God.BUT MY QUESTION is why would God not given up on them after 70 ad ???
what happen in the 70 ad is nothing to compare to ww2 if they would ad videos of those days you could not watch them so disturbing they would have been,
also the reasons for Israel to exist is of men not of God ;JN 18:36 Jesus answered, “ My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”Jn 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jn 17:12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
Jn 17:13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.
Jn 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
Jn 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Jn 17:19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.i do not see any room for the nation of today’s Israel in God’s arrangement ,because Israel is part of this world ,but i do see a great deceit in this for many believe that israel is of God and so lose they focus on the real kingdom of Christ and will mis the crown of life ,
as for Armageddon to be in the land of Israel(earth) ;it is but not on an physical way but in a spiritual way ;the god of this world does not only operate in Israel but every where in this world .
as for your last comment the dragon does not pursue the earthly Israel but the spiritual members of the heavenly Jerusalem,the saint the elect ones the true brothers of Christ
Not sure if this sent so excuse if double posted.
The early church did not believe that God would be behind a future re-gathering of the Jews to Israel. To the contrary they believed “the antichrist” would be behind a future regathering of the Jews to Israel.
They all agreed on this.
Here’s some examples..
”Christ arose from among the Hebrews, and
he (Antichrist) will spring from among the
Jews. Christ showed His flesh as a Temple,
and raised it up on the third day; and he,
too, will raise up again the Temple of stone in
Jerusalem.” (St. Hippolytus)“In every respect that Deceiver seeks to make
himself appear like the Son of God. Christ is
king of things celestial and terrestrial, and
Antichrist will be king upon earth. The
Saviour sent the Apostles unto all the
nations, and he, in like manner will send false
apostles. Christ gathered together the
dispersed sheep, and he in like manner will
gather together the dispersed people of the
Hebrews. Christ appeared in the form of
man, and he in like manner will come forth in
the form of man.” (Hippolytus)“Antichrist will rule the world from
Jerusalem, which he will make into a
magnificent city.” (St. Anselm)“He will call together the whole people to
himself, out of every country of the
Dispersion, making them his own, as though
they were his own children, and promising to
restore their country and establish again their
kingdom and nation, in order that he may be
worshipped by them as God.” (St. Hippolytus)Antichrist will heal the sick, raise the dead,
restore sight to the blind, hearing to the
deaf, speech to the dumb, raises storms and
calms them, re-names mountains, make trees
blossom and wither at a word, re-build the
temple of Jerusalem, and make Jerusalem the
capital city of the world with the vast wealth
of hidden treasures.” (Rabanus Maurus)These days
shall run their course rapidly; and the
kingdom of the Deceiver and Antichrist shall
be promptly removed. And then, finally, in
the twinkling of an eye shall the fashion of
this world pass away, and the power of men
shall be brought to naught, and all visible
things shall be destroyed.” (St. Hippolytus)Why are so many Christians today, teaching that God is the one who is regathering the Jews to Israel – and that there will be a temporary one thousand years in which Jesus rules from Jerusalem?
Watch out for false prophets.
“Do not go out – do not believe them”, Jesus said.
God will reveal what he will reveal to whom he will reveal, when he will reveal it.
I understand this now.
Is God behind the gathering to Israel?
Concentrate.
“Beware of the false prophets, who
come to you in sheep’s clothing, but
inwardly are ravenous wolves.
“You will know them by their fruits.
Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
“Every tree that
does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
“So then, you will know them by their fruits.”Watch the news.
hi,
what is it you are trying to say ???
could you be more specific ???
wondering says ;he (Antichrist) will spring from among the
Jews.
I wander were in scriptures it says this ??? this is all news to meAnonymous.
This is the FIRST gathering of Israel,as of 1948.
There will be another gathering of Israel but this time into the kingdom of God.
The jews chosen by choice will be grafted back on to the natural olive tree.
And they will live in peace with no pain nor sorrows and no wars.
The lion will eat straw.THE FIRST GATHERING:
Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;Jeremiah 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.
Jeremiah 16:17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.
Jeremiah 16:18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.
THE SECOND GATHERING:
Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
THIS IS ISREAL TODAY:
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called **Sodom and Egypt**, where also our Lord was crucified.
wakeup.
J
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