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Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,17:21) Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,16:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2012,00:02) Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2012,08:30) BD, Quote is there ever any condition in which you see the words “ONE”, “ONLY” and “I” as being literal? According to you anyone could claim even several more gods all being the highest you already have 2 in the number 1 spot. Context rules. Jesus is the only 'Begotten' God. There are no others.
Can you show a scripture that says begotten God?
BD,John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
You say no one has seen God at any time so you agree that the disciples never saw God they saw Christ Jesus.You see even according to the scripture you present Jesus can't be God unless God has not only been seen but God was seen nailed to a cross.
BD,
Please tell me who the Begotten God is in John 1:18.
BD,
Please tell me your answer to this, thanks.Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:29) BD, Quote
I didn't say whether I believed it Jesus asked the question himself:So, do you believe that Jesus is the Son of David?
BD,
And your answer is…Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2012,10:17) Kathi will jump through any hoop to make Jesus “God” she will even call God a sacrificial lamb an a man……………..
And that simply baffles me, Asana. When the whole of scripture teaches of ONE God Most High, and the Son that HE SENT into the world, why on earth would anyone ever come to the conclusion that the Son OF our ONE Most High God could be the very God he is the Son OF?
Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:31) BD, Can you say these words and mean them?
“My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”?”
BD,
Can you?Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2012,11:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2012,10:17) Kathi will jump through any hoop to make Jesus “God” she will even call God a sacrificial lamb an a man……………..
And that simply baffles me, Asana. When the whole of scripture teaches of ONE God Most High, and the Son that HE SENT into the world, why on earth would anyone ever come to the conclusion that the Son OF our ONE Most High God could be the very God he is the Son OF?
I don't say that Jesus is the Son of Himself Mike, there are two persons.In this verse, one is called theos and the other is called the only begotten theos. There are two different persons who are both called theos. I am not saying that both are the same person but your post insinuates that. I don't think that I am the one confused here.
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
So, Mike, do you see that in John 1:18, two persons are called theos??? Can you see that one of the theos came from the other theos and not from Himself?
If you can see this, that should clear up your baffledness
I see this too and have been saying this for the years that I have been writing to you.Kathi will declare the word “throne” singular but the word “God” as plural she will make 2 or 3 mean 1 and 1 mean 2 or 3. She doesn't understand that if you consider “thrones” as Plural than “gods” would be plural just like “throne” and “god” are singular. Either that or she really does understand but is simply being blinded to any form of reason
Jesus was a Man of God not a God of Man. Men of God like this: Judges 13:6
Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:Very powerful Man of God, These kind of men people often thought were gods themselves just like when Paul was bitten by a viper
Acts 28:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
WAKE UP Kathi!
Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,10:57) There are two different persons who are both called theos.
Kathi,There are MANY persons in scripture who are called theos. My “baffleness” centers around the confusion of others who think that ANY of those MANY other theos could be the Most High Theos, who is the Theos OF all the other ones.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2012,11:00) Kathi will declare the word “throne” singular but the word “God” as plural she will make 2 or 3 mean 1 and 1 mean 2 or 3. Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,11:05) Mike,
How many theos are FOR US? Just one or two or many?
For us, there is but ONE God, the Father………..Are you a part of the “US”, Kathi?
Oh, Mike, you know we have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ and the Father are both theos. So, let me ask you again, how many theos are for us?
1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.Kathi,
For us, there is but ONE God, the Father…………
The fact that our ONE God appointed Jesus as our Lord doesn't make Jesus the God who appointed him.
Jehovah remains our Lord even above our Lord Jesus. Jehovah is the Lord OF the Lord of lords.
Kathi, how many Most High Gods are CLEARLY mentioned in scripture? How many Gods of gods are mentioned? The answer to those questions is the answer to your question.
Kathi,
Did you figure out the throne question of Revelation yet? Is there only one throne mentioned for God and the Lamb? Or two?
Does scripture say that God's servant Jesus will rule on the throne of God's servant David forever? Or from the throne of God Himself forever?
Ah, so there are TWO thrones mentioned? And therefore, John meant “the throne of God and [the throne] of the Lamb”?
And would you have me believe that Jesus rules from the throne of God Almighty while simultaneously ruling from throne of David, the SERVANT of God?
Is Jesus simultaneously God Almighty and His servant?
Kathi, I don't have time for this. We all have but ONE Most High God. That ONE has a Son named Jesus, whom He sent to die as His sacrificial Lamb to atone for our sins.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2012,12:12) Oh, Mike, you know we have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ and the Father are both theos. So, let me ask you again, how many theos are for us? 1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Mike,
I know what the answer is, I am asking YOU what the answer is.And Jesus reigns as both the Son of God and Son of Man forever, two thrones.
So I did understand you correctly. You think that Jesus reigns as God and as the servant of God simultaneously.
No further questions, ma'am.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 05 2012,03:28) Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,23:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2012,17:21) Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2012,16:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2012,00:02) Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2012,08:30) BD, Quote is there ever any condition in which you see the words “ONE”, “ONLY” and “I” as being literal? According to you anyone could claim even several more gods all being the highest you already have 2 in the number 1 spot. Context rules. Jesus is the only 'Begotten' God. There are no others.
Can you show a scripture that says begotten God?
BD,John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
You say no one has seen God at any time so you agree that the disciples never saw God they saw Christ Jesus.You see even according to the scripture you present Jesus can't be God unless God has not only been seen but God was seen nailed to a cross.
BD,
Please tell me who the Begotten God is in John 1:18.
BD,
Please tell me your answer to this, thanks.
Which translation did you get that out of? You see how much the translators play with the word of God?KJV
John 1:18 (
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.
ESV
John 1:18 |
18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
EV
John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father.
GW
John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God. God’s only Son, the one who is closest to the Father’s heart, has made him known.
These translations are also reinterpreting changing complete words and meanings I see why you are so confused because if I was reading one of the translations like KJV the most widely used you would be quoting something that doesn't exist in the King James Version as John 1:18 doesn't say “begotten God” someone like your self decided to make Jesus “God” so much so they altered the scriptures look at the LITERAL translation:
John 1:18 (YLT)
18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.
You would like some others like:
John 1:18 (TNIV)
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.
You see how theytake a word and go from Unique to Only Son to God Himself?
It's a shame but that is why you believe what you believe because the bible has been altered and each translation proclaims its denominational point of view instead of what the words originally said.
Plus examine this gift that God gave me during this talk of ours
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.comapre to this
John 10:35
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;Now this is the same author can you not see that this is the same statement Jesus was making? Was Jesus saying that the others whom God dwelled in were actual “gods” or called God because God dwelled in them? Jesus clarifies he is not calling himself “God”
John 10:34-36
King James Version (KJV)
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Notice he doesn't say I am the son of the Father he says clearly I am the son of God but you claim that God is a “nature” of something you said they are both God having the same nature but Jesus says he is the son of God not “I am in the family of God”
Second of all he is denying their claim:
John 10:33
King James Version (KJV)
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Here is proof inspired by God to show you what you currently understand needs to be corrected. I pray that you see what is clearly written here God bless you.
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